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Kevin Kolb. Seriously? Never heard of him, but I'm not that knowledgeable about guys like him. Can anyone who's a fan of Houston fill me in?! The trade down doesn't surprise me, since it seems all the guys we wanted were gone, but a QB in the 2nd?? Doesn't make much sense to me.ETA: I'll bet you a penny that Dave Spadaro LOVES this pick!! I'm sure he's the next Joe Montana, and he can't believe he didn't go in the too 10!!
I agree they reached with Ross, but Im significantly higher on Smith. And I also think that DT had to be a priority this year so I'd have preferred Branch in the first. Ross alone makes a B too generous, but the other picks are pretty solid. C+Ross is a 2nd round player and they passed on some better players such as Poz and Staley. Many CBs who are just as good as Ross were still available much later. Smith is decent, but they have many much more pressing needs that they didn't address such as OT and OLB. Alford was also a reach and saying he can't be worse than Joseph really doesn't say anything. Most can't be worse than Joseph. Giving them a B is way too high.ETA - I also would have really prefered if they had made that trade with CLE instead of DAL. They missed out on a great opportunity.
I agree. They have had a great draft IMO.Carolina's harvest sure seems solid so far (and not even my team).....
Stop it, and be nice. Mocking Miami fans because their front office is ######ed is not very nice.
As long as all those guys dont get staph infections...
That pick won't be anything close to a top ten after this free agency period and draft class.
Spaeth is supposed to be a great blocker and maybe they are planning on having some 2 TE sets where Miller goes out for passes and Spaeth stays in to protect?
If their pick next year that goes to Dallas ends up being top 5 then they definately did not get an A+++, anyone can morgage 1st round draft picks and look good in the here and now. Cleveland bascially is going to trade their top 5 pick next year for #22 this year which in the grand scheme of things is not a wise move. Quinn dropped for a reason.
Ok, I can compromise a little too. I agree DT was a major need, but I am very skeptical about Alford. I agree that Branch would have also been a solid pick. I would have preferred Staley, Pozluszny or Branch over Ross in the first and then Wilson or maybe even Ross in the 2nd. I admit that part of my original grade was because they didn't make that trade with CLE, so taking that out I can give them a C.I agree they reached with Ross, but Im significantly higher on Smith. And I also think that DT had to be a priority this year so I'd have preferred Branch in the first. Ross alone makes a B too generous, but the other picks are pretty solid. C+Ross is a 2nd round player and they passed on some better players such as Poz and Staley. Many CBs who are just as good as Ross were still available much later. Smith is decent, but they have many much more pressing needs that they didn't address such as OT and OLB. Alford was also a reach and saying he can't be worse than Joseph really doesn't say anything. Most can't be worse than Joseph. Giving them a B is way too high.Why?!? Ross is a solid CB, which they DESPERATELY need, and Steve Smith was great value where they got him.Alford has a good motor and can't be worse than William Joseph.Aside from a LB, I think they are filling their needs nicely.FWIW, LB's are easier to find in free agency than CB's.ETA: B
A good solid QB, not sure that he should have been drafted over Edwards or Beck but a solid play with NFL starting potential. Miami still blew the draftKevin Kolb. Seriously? Never heard of him, but I'm not that knowledgeable about guys like him. Can anyone who's a fan of Houston fill me in?! The trade down doesn't surprise me, since it seems all the guys we wanted were gone, but a QB in the 2nd?? Doesn't make much sense to me.ETA: I'll bet you a penny that Dave Spadaro LOVES this pick!! I'm sure he's the next Joe Montana, and he can't believe he didn't go in the too 10!!
I love the fact they were able to land Thomas and Quinn, but I'm not sure CLE is going to be any better next year while they develop these young guys. That trade could have cost them a top 3 pick next year... That could be tough to swallow for the Browns unless Quinn clearly demonstrates that he is in fact a franchise player this season (something that is obviously very tough for a rookie QB)If Quinn turns out to be a franchise QB, it would probably be worth it.Well that's one way to grade trading all your picks for Brady Quinn and being repeatedly raped by Dallas.Cleveland Steamer
Love the Niners but...
I was very
with TT's draft today. I really like him as a GM, and think in general he has a good eye for talent - but I think he overpaid some today. I'd grade it out currently at a C. 1.16 - J Harrell - rated as a 3rd round pick at best by almost every draftnik... even if he turns out to be an uberstud, he still could have gotten him a round later.2.31- Brandon Jackson - filled their most glaring hole - but still not sold on him. I don't think he overpaid here because RB values are all over the place. I hope they take a flyer on another RB with one of their 6 remaining picks on Day-2 (like: A Pittman, M Bush, Russell, D Wright)3.14 - James Jones - (I have him rated as a 4th or 7th rounder in 2 different mag's.) Don't know much on him except what i've read - not seen any reel's on him though. Nonetheless - he again fills a need at TWO spots - Punt returner & WR.3.26 - Aaron Rouse - Could be a steal. He actually graded out pretty well in several reviews. Pretty big kid @ 6'4"... possibly have him bulk up & play LB.My guess is TT will add another Def. lineman or 2, at least 1 Off. lineman, another WR, a TE & more 2ndary help.That's not the question. The question should by is the upgrade from Ugoh to Staley worth the gap in the 49ers #1 to the Colts #1. Imo, Staley is a big upgrade & the gap between picks could be much smaller than most expect. Very nice day 1 by the 49ers & with four 4th round picks-day 2 should be just as nice.Love the Niners but...
I would agree with you if it were not for one thing, ... AJ Smith. He has been too good in the draft to discount. I think it is way to early to cast judgement on their moving up for him.
What makes you say this? Most mocks had him in the latter half of the first round. They may have reached a little, but most everybody had him in the first (Mayock, Gosselin, etc.).I was verywith TT's draft today. I really like him as a GM, and think in general he has a good eye for talent - but I think he overpaid some today. I'd grade it out currently at a C. 1.16 - J Harrell - rated as a 3rd round pick at best by almost every draftnik... even if he turns out to be an uberstud, he still could have gotten him a round later.
And the reason is?
Goodell had Quinn go into his private room for a reason, once Miami passed, nobody was gonna pick him for a while. Jax was a long-shot to pick him though.
I'm sure it had nothing to with the teams from 10-21 not needing a QB.
10 Houston
11 San Francisco
12 Buffalo
13 St. Louis
14 N.Y. Jets
15 Pittsburgh
16 Green Bay
17 Denver
18 Cincinnati
19 Tennessee
20 N.Y. Giants
21 Jacksonville
:shrugs: I have a hard time saying any player who lasted into the 20's was viewed as a top 5 player by anyone. This is without even addressing the fact that Minnesota, Atlanta, Miami all passed on them and one could argue that each of those teams could have used another QB on the roster.The Gator said:
Pretty much agree with this assessment, although I would rather see a DT in the 4th round. I think the WR's the Bucs currently have are good as long as there is a QB who can get them the ball. Don't need another average WR IMO.
From reading draft mags dated pre-combine!!!bigums said:What makes you say this? Most mocks had him in the latter half of the first round. They may have reached a little, but most everybody had him in the first (Mayock, Gosselin, etc.).el centro said:I was verywith TT's draft today. I really like him as a GM, and think in general he has a good eye for talent - but I think he overpaid some today. I'd grade it out currently at a C. 1.16 - J Harrell - rated as a 3rd round pick at best by almost every draftnik... even if he turns out to be an uberstud, he still could have gotten him a round later.
I hate those things! Actually changing my opinion. I have just read some more recent material, and am liking the pick more-n-more.
I don't know how you can say that, given that they just cut Quarles to hand him the job.
Agree. Black is a better fit outside; he'll be in the mix when Brooks moves on.
LionsFan78 said:
I didn't like them trading up twice in the third round, especially for Alexander. I can't believe he wouldn't have been available to them where they were already picking. The Stanton pick surprised me too. After having watched him at MSU I'd never have placed him that high. I really liked them having the stones to take a WR after blowing it there so many times, though.
I agree with this. I'm not a Trent Edwards fan, but I admit his o line was horrible for two years, his WRs were made of glass, and the RBs were scrubs. It makes sense to take a QB in the 3rd, to make sure Losman doesn't become complacent.Lynch is probably a 50/50 or 60/40 shot at boom or bust. Poz is a pick I like. He is now two years removed from his injury and if he does not have great athleticism, he does everything else very well.A win again ov said:
!!! They gave up a TON to make the picks they did. To be fair, if they don't find a present, there WILL BE NO FUTURE for all of the F.O. personnel there, so the moves make sense. Too bad Quinn will be a colossal bust.I agree it was a good day for the Niners, but the way it was originally posted as if the Niner picked up Indy's 1st rounder next year, but they actually swapped. I just don't think that should be added as a part of this great draft.mcd said:That's not the question. The question should by is the upgrade from Ugoh to Staley worth the gap in the 49ers #1 to the Colts #1. Imo, Staley is a big upgrade & the gap between picks could be much smaller than most expect. Very nice day 1 by the 49ers & with four 4th round picks-day 2 should be just as nice.Aaronur said:Love the Niners but...abrecher said:
I graded them before that pick. I came back here now to expressly downgrade them to a C-. That TE pick has me scratching my head (but what do I know....?).BoltBacker said:
Well now if this is the case, I like it. I never understood why Cowher took a great pass-catching TE and made him a blocker. If Tomlin is undoing that wrong, I'm all for it.BoltBacker said:
I agree. You can't pass on Johnson for those reasons alone. Time will have to tell on Alexander. After checking out his write-ups, he seems pretty versatile...played both safety and corner in college, so that's always a plus. We'll see what he'll develop into. I just refuse to believe anyone would've grabbed him in the third. Wasted 3 + 4 round picks if you ask me. Believe it or not, I'm a die hard UM fan, and I actually believe Stanton is a worthwhile QB. I watched him plenty over the years.LionsFan78 said:
. This year, btw, is no different.I really think people are missing the boat on the MIA draft. They targeted WR across from Chambers and after CJ Ginn has just as good a chance as any of them to be the best of the rest. Improved OL in the third. Big run-stuffing DT from Utah. At the very worst this draft gets a C if you ask me.Also can't figure out why people are this down on the WAS draft considering the picks they had. Landry and Willis seem like the two players that will step in and make the biggest difference to their teams from day 1. When you come away with a player like that I don't know how you can give them an F.
I'm surprised so many people voted an "A" for OAK. Russell was the right gamble but one OL in the draft? RB with the first pick of day 2? Two DE's and a CB for a defense that's already solid? I just really thought they'd take at least three OL and wouldn't worry about RB at all.I know, I know the mantra is "You don't pass on the best player available just because he's not a need RIGHT NOW.... but when you are the raiders you have to plug some holes in this draft. There are teams that can go into the draft with the luxury of taking talented backups but aren't the raiders the poster child for a team that needs guys to come in and at least battle for a starting job?
Raiders added two or three O-line vets that'll make the team, plus Henderson, who I actually don't like. They addressed their line before the draft, by adding a great coach, changing the system, and adding Newberry, Carlisle, and another guy for depth, Cornell Brown. They will probably have 4 or 5 new O-linemen on the team this year. How much turnover do you think is possible? Should they have drafted Ugoh and started him as a rookie just to say they were addressing needs?Adding Zach Miller, after trading down and adding McCown and Williams, was a great move. Instant starter, big upgrade over Anderson at TE. This was need, and was the best player left at TE, by far. The guy ranked after him hasn't even been drafted yet.Quentin Moses at 3.1 is pretty much a no-brainer. I called this pick after they took Miller. Their starting RE last year had ZERO sacks. Moses in the 1st or 2nd is a reach. Third round? Could be a huge, huge steal. Was ranked #1 prospect in the draft by BLESTO after last season. Well worth the risk, IMO.Johnnie Lee Higgins, love it. Little speedster, must be James Jett, right? No. Works the underneath stuff, loves the slants, and bubble screens. At the end of the 3rd round? Love it. Will help on returns and in the slot right away.Adding McCown, the best part about this is that it tells you the Raiders are gonna do the right thing, and sit JaMarcus for a bit. I don't care if he sucks, he's a guy holding Russell's place in line.Mike Williams? A throw-in, reclamation project. I don't care either way. I'll keep my eye on him, but he hasn't shown anything yet. Maybe one of his old coaches can turn the light on.Mario Henderson? A reach, athletic guy that may fit the ZBS down the road. My least favorite pick. I wanted Barbre.Michael Bush? In the 4th round, this is questioned? Please. I'll tell you right now, Jordan has one year to prove he's gonna work out here, or he's gone. Bush was a straight value pick. We have two backs now, and we're pretty sure neither of them is special. Bush may turn out to be.John Bowie? Punt returner, runs like the wind, Al Davis gets his shiny object to play with. Maybe dime CB.Jay Richardson? I don't know what they're gonna do with him. I have a feeling they wanta put 10 pounds on him, and make him a one-gap DT. Eric Frampton? great tackler, ST guy, backup safety. 50/50 to make the team.Orenthal O'Neil? Hey, you can diss a RB named Orenthal if you want, but I'm not going to. Lead blocker in the Lorenzo Neal mold, replaces Crockett, clearing cap space.I don't like the Bowie pick and the Henderson pick.Let's see, I forgot someone......Oh yeah, JaMarcus. Yeah, I like this pick.We improved every facet of this team, except for linebacker. I'm not gonna grade this draft, draft grades are silly, but if a Raiders fan is unhappy with this draft, they need to stop following the draft, because it doesn't get much better than this.
