shake zula
Footballguy
Serious question...do you think you could beat a professional boxer/mma fighter who happened to be a midget?
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What would happen if I fought a featherweight boxer? (1 Viewer)
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SanAntonioHolmes
Footballguy
So, you're quibbling over 1 pound? You think that 1 pound is really the difference?ETA: 6 pounds. okay. http://www.iboboxing.com/rankings/122.html
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Balance
Footballguy
No, but while we are taking the gloves off lets also take away the ring. Maybe you and I have seen different things, but usually a fight is one or two swings then to the ground.... then broken up.My simple doubt is that a guy this small could hit my head (a foot or more above him), and one shot me when pretty much all I'm trying to do is make sure he doesn't knock me out. On the flip side I also have little doubt that I could throw a guy this tiny around at will if I got a hold of... anything. A sleeve, a hand, wrist, arm... anything.
shake zula
Footballguy
No trying to be Richard but I have no clue what you are talking about. I know you are qualifying your abilities, which I understand, but I don't get what you mean one or two swings.Are you saying that someone is going to break it up?Are you saying that the fight is in a bar?I guess I just don't understand what you are seeing in your minds eye. Either I stand by the fact that this boxer/mma fighter is going to slaughter you but please explain how you envision it playing out.
Balance
Footballguy
No, but it is a simple request I make. When 5 guys want to make up seperate rules for the discussion it gets a little confused (the entire Pacquiao topic is an example).... see the "what if you were 6'3" 280?" reference above.I can only speak for me, and my claims were 5ft nothing 115-125lbs.
My claims were specifically set. I stand by these well defined parameters.
If you want to go outside of them just understand you are creating a new argument and not arguing anything with regard to the thread topic.
Balance
Footballguy
We can play this game all day long.Are you saying we are in a ring then? So he would have gloves? So what does him not having gloves have to do with this?This is how people start thinking I'm on a macho trip, everyone has a different picture of how this fight goes down.I stated I wouldn't box this guy, so I am not envisioning gloves, and I am not evisioning me being limited to the rules of boxing. Be it a ring, a street, a bar.. same thing for me. A fight. Me trying to walk away having given worse than I got. A perfectly likely thing in my minds eye given the specific size difference.
KnowledgeReignsSupreme
Footballguy
shake zula
Footballguy
I'm not limiting you, I'm just not sure what the parameters were when the thread first started.I don't think any of those things matter. Short of you having a baseball or crow bar I don't think you stand a chance regardless of setting. Like I said I just wanted to know what you had in mind.
shake zula
Footballguy
Good. In this thread you are king. Don't forget that!
Balance
Footballguy
Fair enough.Once upon a time (2-3 years ago) I was considering taking proninja up on the offer to spar with one of these guys in Seattle. I also took some Ju-Jitsu (waste of time) and looked around some local gyms. Life happened and an actual test of this is highly unlikely at this point... 2 kids and a higher profile job since the start of this thread.So reality is that this will always remain an "uh-huh, nuh-uh! uh-HUH! NUH-UH!" discussion.
Balance
Footballguy
No, in this thread bizarro law rules.I have learned that if you are small enough you can become bullet proof.
Voice Of Reason
Footballguy
What type of fight are we talking about? A boxing match, MMA match, or a streetfight?
FallenHero32
Footballguy
Maybe I missed it...but have you actually been in a real knock down fight in the real world? Cause from what you are saying on here, it doesn't seem like it.
His Dad boxed.
Try to keep up, his dad boxed and he is tall. Oh and at some point he may or may not have been able to dunk a basketball.
Balance
Footballguy
Both posts examples of trying very hard to misrepresent what was said.These are my favorite posts. People getting defensive and passive aggressive over this hypothetical scenario.
The dad boxing info was simply saying I get it - they are fast and hit hard. Nothing implying boxing skills (though he did teach me some), just that through him I understand boxing more than some seem to think.Me dunking was a response to a guy trying to get a feel for me physically/athletically.
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Balance
Footballguy
Yes.
Balance
Footballguy
This is where this thread gets out of control. Been covered. General idea is I think I could keep him away.5 people hop on to every post and take it 5 directions.I'll stop responding to these if they've been covered. Too many late comers to rehash the entire thread.
Balance
Footballguy
In my head this would pretty much have to be a streetfight. I'm not a boxer or an mma fighter... so.
He would be running circles around you and you wouldn't know where he would be coming from. You under estimate his feet and hand speed by a large margin. :X 
Your size advantage might allow you to beat a scrub fitness-club boxer, but any flyweight who actually draws a paycheck with his fists would not only beat you, but make you look totally foolish as he popped your face at will and eluded all you awkward haymakers.
It would be comical to look at. Your underestimation of the gap between a guy who fights day in and day out and a guy who was in a barfight once is laughable.
It would be a beating so savage and lopsided that your only hope of not suffering permant facial and emotional damage would be if you had a few buddies who noticed how it was going about twenty seconds in and broke it up.
It would be comical to look at. Your underestimation of the gap between a guy who fights day in and day out and a guy who was in a barfight once is laughable.
It would be a beating so savage and lopsided that your only hope of not suffering permant facial and emotional damage would be if you had a few buddies who noticed how it was going about twenty seconds in and broke it up.
andy_b
Footballguy
I have not tried to shoot over Kevin GarnettI have not tried to save a free kick from David BeckhamI have not tried to skate around Zdeno CharaI have not tried to cover Wes WelkerI still think its safe to say what the outcome would be.
Thorn
Footballguy
Obviously you forget Bob Sapp coming on the scene and throwing every other contender around the ring like a rag doll because of his height and weight advantages.shake zula said:Balance said:
Either way why does that matter to you? What does it matter if the guy is 5 or 5'6 you are still significantly taller and heavier. If you where 6'4 and 280 you think you could take down a lightweight, middleweight or a welterweight pro?
andy_b
Footballguy
Sapp, against less than the best in the world, only has a 10-6-1 MMA record. Not shabby but perhaps the furthest thing from "throwing every other contender around the ring"
KnowledgeReignsSupreme
Footballguy
I wish Balance was up for it, because I bet several people in here would be willing to chip in to arrange a recorded fight between him and a flyweight boxer. This has Pros vs Joes written all over it.
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Dr. Manhattan
Footballguy
I think he was being sarcastic.
TLEF316
Footballguy
that video of manny hitting the heavy bag (when he was probably 20 lbs lighter than he is now) tells me all i need to know about this.
Sure, he probably hits harder than the guys that are flyweights now, but those guys could still move that bag more than the OP.
add in the quickness factor, stamina and experience taking punches, and this is a landslide.
The only possible chance the average joe has of winning is puting his head down and charging for a tackle. Assuming the boxer doesnt get in a clean shot to the temple when you try and tackle him, i suppose there's a chance you could get him to the ground, smother him, and land enough knees and elbows to disable him. those guys dont know how to play ground defense or throw punches from their back.
still, the odds of that happening are tiny. Probably about the same as me closing my eyes, swinging as hard as i can and hitting a Mariano Rivera cutter out of the ball park.
Sure, he probably hits harder than the guys that are flyweights now, but those guys could still move that bag more than the OP.
add in the quickness factor, stamina and experience taking punches, and this is a landslide.
The only possible chance the average joe has of winning is puting his head down and charging for a tackle. Assuming the boxer doesnt get in a clean shot to the temple when you try and tackle him, i suppose there's a chance you could get him to the ground, smother him, and land enough knees and elbows to disable him. those guys dont know how to play ground defense or throw punches from their back.
still, the odds of that happening are tiny. Probably about the same as me closing my eyes, swinging as hard as i can and hitting a Mariano Rivera cutter out of the ball park.
andy_b
Footballguy
oh ok now he makes more sense then
andy_b
Footballguy
but even if all that happens, the boxer simply needs to cover up and wait for the average joe to lose all his wind in less than 2 minutes, get free and then proceed to shred him.
The Z Machine
Footballguy
If you had enough money to put up, Pac could easily drop those 20 lbs. and beat you to death one handed.I'm not joking.Balance said:
TLEF316
Footballguy
sure, i suppose. However, i'd wager that a 200+ lb guy could do damage to a smaller guy if he's not wearing gloves and is allowed to knee. 2 minutes of knees and elbows to unprotected areas could hurt a smaller man. As great as flyweight boxers may be, having all that weight on top of them and hitting them would put them out of their comfort zone. not saying he's gonna lose, but he could be in trouble once he's off his feet.
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Thorn
Footballguy
oh ok now he makes more sense then
Balance
Footballguy
Yeah. I wish this had come up 2 years earlier, it would have been a no brainer for me to try.
The Z Machine
Footballguy
Sure if no brainer = back out at the last minute or make excuses why it can't happen.Yeah. I wish this had come up 2 years earlier, it would have been a no brainer for me to try.
Balance
Footballguy
Have you ever even seen an adult male this small outside of TV or on the back of a horse? This is one question Ive asked since almost the start 2 years ago and noone has even tried to reply.
And these examples aren't exactly apples to apples. I have no intention of boxing a boxer.
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Balance
Footballguy
Sure if no brainer = back out at the last minute or make excuses why it can't happen.Yeah. I wish this had come up 2 years earlier, it would have been a no brainer for me to try.
B-Deep
Footballguy
A featherweight boxer weighs in at 126 pounds (57 kilos). Bruce Lee = 5ft 7 1/2 inches and 128 pounds ranged up to about 135, though hitting 125 would not be an issue.I'll bet you could take him too. Wider is better and all.Have you ever even seen an adult male this small outside of TV or on the back of a horse? This is one question Ive asked since almost the start 2 years ago and noone has even tried to reply.
andy_b
Footballguy
There are a lot of threads where people get owned but my word this is setting the standard.Keep it coming Balance, the entertainment value never endsA featherweight boxer weighs in at 126 pounds (57 kilos). Bruce Lee = 5ft 7 1/2 inches and 128 pounds ranged up to about 135, though hitting 125 would not be an issue.I'll bet you could take him too. Wider is better and all.Have you ever even seen an adult male this small outside of TV or on the back of a horse? This is one question Ive asked since almost the start 2 years ago and noone has even tried to reply.
Balance
Footballguy
These posts are awesome.A featherweight boxer weighs in at 126 pounds (57 kilos). Bruce Lee = 5ft 7 1/2 inches and 128 pounds ranged up to about 135, though hitting 125 would not be an issue.I'll bet you could take him too. Wider is better and all.Have you ever even seen an adult male this small outside of TV or on the back of a horse? This is one question Ive asked since almost the start 2 years ago and noone has even tried to reply.
B-Deep
Footballguy
the point is, the only thing holding the boxer back from killing you would be the threat of jail time. Sorry internet tough guy, not a prayer here.These posts are awesome.A featherweight boxer weighs in at 126 pounds (57 kilos). Bruce Lee = 5ft 7 1/2 inches and 128 pounds ranged up to about 135, though hitting 125 would not be an issue.I'll bet you could take him too. Wider is better and all.Have you ever even seen an adult male this small outside of TV or on the back of a horse? This is one question Ive asked since almost the start 2 years ago and noone has even tried to reply.
Dr. Manhattan
Footballguy
Tony Jaa is 5'6" 132lbs, pretty sure he could whoop anyones ###.
B-Deep
Footballguy
have you seen him in person, the OP would own him. The dude is small!
Balance
Footballguy
I guess if this is about getting owned, I'm missing something.If this is where people come up with examples like Bruce Lee and Chuck Norris, Pacquiao, Sapp, and endless others - none of whom fit this discussion - then OK.I'll repeat. I'm not a tough guy - I just think there is a point where size and weight advantages outweigh any other considerations... for myself I'll take 12-14 inches + 100 pounds and consider myself good.There are a lot of threads where people get owned but my word this is setting the standard.Keep it coming Balance, the entertainment value never ends
Balance
Footballguy
Yet another point that goes to further my point.
Jaa is a beast of a man compared to the hypothetical tiny super hero I am pitted against.
Dr. Manhattan
Footballguy
I would take Tony Jaa (5'6" 132lbs) over Bob Sapp (6' 3" 375 lbs) all day every day.So I think it is relevant.I guess if this is about getting owned, I'm missing something.If this is where people come up with examples like Bruce Lee and Chuck Norris, Pacquiao, Sapp, and endless others - none of whom fit this discussion - then OK.I'll repeat. I'm not a tough guy - I just think there is a point where size and weight advantages outweigh any other considerations... for myself I'll take 12-14 inches + 100 pounds and consider myself good.There are a lot of threads where people get owned but my word this is setting the standard.Keep it coming Balance, the entertainment value never ends
Balance
Footballguy
You should read the thread again. You are missing it.the point is, the only thing holding the boxer back from killing you would be the threat of jail time. Sorry internet tough guy, not a prayer here.These posts are awesome.
B-Deep
Footballguy
yetif anyone shows a small guy you say the example is irrelevantI wonder how many featheweight boxers shaq could take at once?3? 4? A Half dozen?I guess if this is about getting owned, I'm missing something.If this is where people come up with examples like Bruce Lee and Chuck Norris, Pacquiao, Sapp, and endless others - none of whom fit this discussion - then OK.I'll repeat. I'm not a tough guy - I just think there is a point where size and weight advantages outweigh any other considerations... for myself I'll take 12-14 inches + 100 pounds and consider myself good.There are a lot of threads where people get owned but my word this is setting the standard.Keep it coming Balance, the entertainment value never ends
