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Vick Indicted ! ? (1 Viewer)
- Thread starter Stealthycat
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For the season? If he lied to Blank like he did to the Commish then he may be droped from the roster. Imagine Blanks wife playing with the family dog..
Beaumont
Footballguy
Hire a Vick cousin when the other cousins are getting indicted?I doubt that ...
PantherPower
Footballguy
This news makes me 
I hope they lock this P.O.S. away
But he'll probably get out early and end up doing some of this
I hope they lock this P.O.S. away
But he'll probably get out early and end up doing some of this
I count one, and it is smaller than most US states. I think Jail would be preferable to any of the countries on that list.Still some Euro countries in there so um yeah.Cuba looks to be the best though, lol.Countries without treaties nor diplomatic relationsThe countries which have neither diplomatic relations nor extradition treaties with the U.S. are: Bhutan, Iran, North Korea, and the Republic of China (Taiwan) (which the United States does not consider a country under the One-China Policy).So ummmmm, yeah.Edit: This looks like a more complete list Countries which have neither diplomatic relations nor extraditiontreaties with the US are Andorra, Angola, Bantu Homelands, Bhutan,Bosnia, Cambodia, Ciskei, Cuba, Iran, Korea (North), Libya, Maldives,Serbia, Somalia, Taiwan, Transkei, Vanuatu, and Vietnam."So ummmm still yeah.So you're saying every country in Europe has US extradition laws?
Darth Cheney
Footballguy
Didn't Tank Johnson get cut by the Bears because of his latest DUI incident.....an incident that turned out to not be true? If the NFL doesn't decide to take action...that doesn't stop the Atlanta Falcons from doing the same.
Slingblade
Footballguy
Bosnia, Serbia, that's two right there.I count one, and it is smaller than most US states. I think Jail would be preferable to any of the countries on that list.Still some Euro countries in there so um yeah.Cuba looks to be the best though, lol.Countries without treaties nor diplomatic relationsThe countries which have neither diplomatic relations nor extradition treaties with the U.S. are: Bhutan, Iran, North Korea, and the Republic of China (Taiwan) (which the United States does not consider a country under the One-China Policy).So ummmmm, yeah.Edit: This looks like a more complete list Countries which have neither diplomatic relations nor extraditiontreaties with the US are Andorra, Angola, Bantu Homelands, Bhutan,Bosnia, Cambodia, Ciskei, Cuba, Iran, Korea (North), Libya, Maldives,Serbia, Somalia, Taiwan, Transkei, Vanuatu, and Vietnam."So ummmm still yeah.So you're saying every country in Europe has US extradition laws?
Stealthycat
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I know a little about the powers of pro-animal groups, like PETA etc because I'm a bigtime hunter. Now, the Humane Society is a big organization too ..... and they're putting IMMENSE pressure on this Vick issue.
Vick is going to find it hard to bein the NFL this season IMO
Vick is going to find it hard to bein the NFL this season IMO
geewill
Footballguy
Sorry if this was posted already. Full text of the indictment.
http://alt.cimedia.com/ajc/pdf/vick0717.pdf
http://alt.cimedia.com/ajc/pdf/vick0717.pdf
Darth Cheney
Footballguy
Three as Andorra, Bosnia and Serbia are in Europe. Vietnam is actually a pretty nice country. At any rate, I don't think he will run.I count one, and it is smaller than most US states. I think Jail would be preferable to any of the countries on that list.Still some Euro countries in there so um yeah.Cuba looks to be the best though, lol.Countries without treaties nor diplomatic relationsThe countries which have neither diplomatic relations nor extradition treaties with the U.S. are: Bhutan, Iran, North Korea, and the Republic of China (Taiwan) (which the United States does not consider a country under the One-China Policy).So ummmmm, yeah.Edit: This looks like a more complete list Countries which have neither diplomatic relations nor extraditiontreaties with the US are Andorra, Angola, Bantu Homelands, Bhutan,Bosnia, Cambodia, Ciskei, Cuba, Iran, Korea (North), Libya, Maldives,Serbia, Somalia, Taiwan, Transkei, Vanuatu, and Vietnam."So ummmm still yeah.So you're saying every country in Europe has US extradition laws?
Mystery Achiever
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Tank had previous convictions.THe number of peope here ready to send him to jail or who believe he can/should be suspended based on an indictment is a little surprising to me.
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LHUCKS
Footballguy
Not to mention you're basically not indicted for DUI's...totally different situation.
Slingblade
Footballguy
Ah, forgot about Andorra. I bet that place is nice. Tiny little sucker tucked between France and Spain.Highest life expectancy also.Three as Andorra, Bosnia and Serbia are in Europe. Vietnam is actually a pretty nice country. At any rate, I don't think he will run.I count one, and it is smaller than most US states. I think Jail would be preferable to any of the countries on that list.Still some Euro countries in there so um yeah.Cuba looks to be the best though, lol.Countries without treaties nor diplomatic relationsThe countries which have neither diplomatic relations nor extradition treaties with the U.S. are: Bhutan, Iran, North Korea, and the Republic of China (Taiwan) (which the United States does not consider a country under the One-China Policy).So ummmmm, yeah.Edit: This looks like a more complete list Countries which have neither diplomatic relations nor extraditiontreaties with the US are Andorra, Angola, Bantu Homelands, Bhutan,Bosnia, Cambodia, Ciskei, Cuba, Iran, Korea (North), Libya, Maldives,Serbia, Somalia, Taiwan, Transkei, Vanuatu, and Vietnam."So ummmm still yeah.So you're saying every country in Europe has US extradition laws?
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Sweeper
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Justice does not move swiftly, especially on a federal level. That should be obvious by the time that passed since the story broke till now. Add a team of high priced lawyers that will delay or drag this out till seasons end, and (if the Falcons allow) Vick could very well play the entire season.
do not under estimate the Feds and the animal rights people in hths one. I'll take them and public perception over all the cash he has at this point. Vicks career just went up in dog poo. Imiagine what kind of day Goodall is having today becasue of Mike "scumbag" Vick. The NFL took a big hit today becasue of him.
Jeff Pasquino
Footballguy
a.k.a. "Ookie" ???
Beaumont
Footballguy
Wow. He is screwed ...
Darth Cheney
Footballguy
Look... I'm no lawyer. I just pretend to be one at bars and parties to impress people. So don't expect me to go quoting laws and stuff. But anyway, the way I see it ( by the wording in a previous post about Vick's contract) that the Falcons have the right to release or suspend the guy (due his money of course) if they find his actions detrimental to the team. This doesn't matter if he had previous convictions or past accolades for walking old ladies across the street.
Drunken Cowboy
Footballguy
I think he gets cut. It would be a bad PR move for the Falcons to keep him and with the amount of money they pay him, I think he is out the door. Plus it isn't like he is winning rings.
Sweat Hog
Footballguy
Agree 100%. Goodell has to be even handed. And Pacman had not been convicted of anything when the axe got dropped. I'd bet my house he gets 8 games minimum - and it won't be long until this happens. Federal crimes are no joke and not as easy to get indictments as at the state level. Good riddance.
GroveDiesel
Footballguy
Please explain what liability issues they have.
Lash
Footballguy
actually it is not weak at all, the feds are involved because criminal activity took place across state lines, and they have him nailed or they would have released it back to the statevery very strong actuallynow whether that affects Vick this season or goodell backs off since now we are talking a real NFL star (which he would be roasted if he did) ... who knows
Mystery Achiever
Footballguy
Not a lawyer, either, but what is the detrimental activity? THey need tp prove he did something, no?
LHUCKS
Footballguy
Labor law...one of the biggest fields of law in the U.S.Please explain what liability issues they have.
LHUCKS
Footballguy
This may be true, the Falcons cutting him and the NFL suspending him are two totally different actions...if I'm not mistaken.
jonessed
Footballguy
"Interstate" brings in the Feds. There really isn't any way to get around that.
The Man with the Plan
Footballguy
Wow. Just wow.
fatness
Footballguy
Yes, you're right about Johnson. I guess the Bears were just looking to unload him, since an unsubstantiated charge of DUI is a pretty weak reason for letting a player go. Regarding Vick and the Falcons, this is on AOL Sports
Darth Cheney
Footballguy
I]f player has engaged in personal conduct reasonably judged by Club to adversely affect or reflect on Club, then Club may terminate this contract." If a contract is terminated under that clause, the player has the right to file a grievance and have an arbitrator decide whether the club acted reasonably.Technically though..they can cut him because they feel his play has gone downhill. It happens all the time.
David Yudkin
Footballguy
If I were the Falcons and I wanted to get rid of Vick (which they very well could), I would say that the team has been flooded by season ticket holders and local advertisers saying they will not stand to have a dog murderer as a starting QB and demand that the team take action.
I would think that the Falcons could make a case that Vick be suspended BY THE TEAM without pay until such time that Vick has shown himself to have been not involved in any wrongdoing.
I suspect they have the option of trying to do something, whether they will is another thing. They ALWAYS have the option of cutting him.
A lot will depend if the team wants to keep him and ride it out or if they want to cut ties with him.
I would think that the Falcons could make a case that Vick be suspended BY THE TEAM without pay until such time that Vick has shown himself to have been not involved in any wrongdoing.
I suspect they have the option of trying to do something, whether they will is another thing. They ALWAYS have the option of cutting him.
A lot will depend if the team wants to keep him and ride it out or if they want to cut ties with him.
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ImTheScientist
Footballguy
very
LHUCKS
Footballguy
I don't believe they have liability if they cut him...I do believe they have liability if they suspend him.
BigJim®
Footballguy
I wasn't clear whether it was a federal or state indictment until I read that. I think I read some very onerous conviction percentage when Jamal Lewis was indicted on federal drug charges... something like they have a conviction rate in the 90%'s on drug violations after a grand jury indicts. Could be they are less successful with other sorts of crimes; I doubt it. The feds have been extremely tight lipped on the evidence they are collecting and that they were able to get an indictment is a bad sign.
FavreCo
Footballguy
Feds are all over his ####. He's up #### creek with no paddle.very
Hey, I was going for a cheap joke. You actually typed out "convickted".
David Yudkin
Footballguy
Any team can cut a player at any time. The issue is if they want to try to retain his rights and not pay him.
Beaumont
Footballguy
Read the indictment! Its very specific and they obviously have a lot of cooperating witnesses ...Specific down to the names of the dogs involved in a lot of the fights and the amount of money at stake ...I wasn't clear whether it was a federal or state indictment until I read that. I think I read some very onerous conviction percentage when Jamal Lewis was indicted on federal drug charges... something like they have a conviction rate in the 90%'s on drug violations after a grand jury indicts. Could be they are less successful with other sorts of crimes; I doubt it. The feds have been extremely tight lipped on the evidence they are collecting and that they were able to get an indictment is a bad sign.
Billy1x
Footballguy
Unless something new comes up there shouldn't be a suspension before the trial or a plea bargain. If he was going to be suspended on what's already known they would likely have done so. The actual trial could be well after the season is over. BUT the distractions and reporters asking questions before and after every game should be very distracting for all the team members.
No way I'm drafting him!
No way I'm drafting him!
ya this was said about OJ as well...have you seen him around lately? Even if he weasels out of this it still might not matter.very
Mystery Achiever
Footballguy
But, what is the personal conduct he engaged in that is adversely affecting or reflecting on the club?
Marc Faletti
Footballguy
Blegh. However this turns out, it's awful. That the torture and killings of these dogs happened is not in dispute, and whether it was Vick's ignorance or active participation that allowed it to happen, it looks very bad for him and for the NFL.
I heard Pasquarelli on ESPN Radio blowing off the idea that the Falcons would regret trading Schaub because Harrington's started 60 games. But as the Dolphin fan pointed out earlier, if you've had the misfortune of rooting for him in any of those 60 games, that isn't necessarily a good thing.
My real question is, what would _you_ do if you were the Falcons? If you could cut him without penalty (this is theoretical), would you? And what would you do if you were Goodell?
I heard Pasquarelli on ESPN Radio blowing off the idea that the Falcons would regret trading Schaub because Harrington's started 60 games. But as the Dolphin fan pointed out earlier, if you've had the misfortune of rooting for him in any of those 60 games, that isn't necessarily a good thing.
My real question is, what would _you_ do if you were the Falcons? If you could cut him without penalty (this is theoretical), would you? And what would you do if you were Goodell?
LHUCKS
Footballguy
Right, that's basically what I was trying to say.
GroveDiesel
Footballguy
The NFL and the NFLPA have their own contract and the NFL has an anti-trust exemption. US labor law isn't going to come into play here even a little bit. Try again.Labor law...one of the biggest fields of law in the U.S.Please explain what liability issues they have.
Sweat Hog
Footballguy
Really? They can't suspend until he's proven guilty? The NFL, like all other private or public employers has their own set of rules regarding employment and as long as no federal or state laws are being broken by their enforcement, there is no liability.What happens to cops when they are suspected of crimes? They get suspended.What happens to teachers when they are accused of innapropriate conduct with students? They get suspended.When the convictions come, then they get fired. SUspensions with or without pay I'm sure depend on circumstances and the amount of evidence when allegations are made.Many states are "at will" which means unless you have a contract or agreement that states otherwise, your employer can fire you for parting your hair the wrong way. Do not pass go, do not collect $200. I can't believe how many times I'm hearing "innocent until proven guilty". We're not talking about anyone going to jail and having their freedom taken away. It's a JOB and an employer has the right to maintain the integrity of their business. Would Goddell get to sue Vick for return of his salary and the loss of revenue the NFL would suffer if he let him play and he was later convicted? Do you think there might be some dog lovers or just "family" oriented people who might be turned off by the NFL if they did not take a proactive approach to this?
Mystery Achiever
Footballguy
What team suspended OJ?ya this was said about OJ as well...have you seen him around lately? Even if he weasels out of this it still might not matter.very
Good point. The last thing the league wants is government intervention.Good thing those boys on the hill have solved our other problems so that they have time to meddle in pro sports.
