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I took that as him having trouble dealing with just having murdered Dogen and Lennon and basically having sold his soul...
I have the same thoughts. Sayid has always contended that "I'm not that man anymore." It wouldn't surprise me in the least, if he somehow comes back around to being a good man in the end.
Yes, but did he recognize her from the elevator, or from "island-recognition", like the Jack-Desmond thing on the plane? I agree that if Sawyer is a cop in Kate's flash-sideways, it doesn't make any sense that he would help her get away.
He will. Hence him being in the Judas spot in that last supper picture.
I like how Kate referred to him as notLocke too. "That is not Locke!"
Maybe this will help solidify what he is called in here.
You think so? I'd say the majority of the sideways flashes we've seen show that the fundamental nature of the "sideways" character doesn't deviate much from what we've got to know in the previous on-island seasons.There are sometimes subtle, sometimes more overt differences, but the base of the character seems to be the same.The main difference would be Ben, but his "new" island self seems to be lining up with the sideways more altruistic Ben.Just me $.02
I read this in the voice of a pirate.
Jack offered a consult to Locke in Locke's sideways story, but I don't recall any interaction that Jack had with Locke in the Jack sideways story. We did see Jack briefly in sideways Sayid, but who knows if that Jack had a son or offered a fellow 815 passenger a consult?Sack-Religious said:
He couldn't arrest Kate in the elevator. He wasn't supposed to be there. The LAPD would discover that Ford was in Australia and not in Florida.
If I was still single, I'd create a fake folder of "personal stuff" and leave it lying around in a conspicuous post-hookup spot like my boxer drawer or the Brita pitcher or something. Great move.Solid shtick by Sawyer telling her to GTFO at 3 AM.Yeah dude, she went from being a 6 or 7 on the islant, to a solid 9 off.Nigel said:Charlotte is hot as molten lava.
I guess the act of Jacob handing little Ford a pen to write his feelings out sent him on the path to becoming a con man. If Jacob doesn't give him that pen, he becomes a cop.
Ridiculous.He didn't have to arrest her. Two cops came into the elevator (IIRC); they could have done it.
I guess I see a huge positive shift in him being a cop instead of a con man. But his nature was essentially the same. Dunno.
Seriously?
I tend to believe personality is set at a very young age, like age 2. Your life experiences can bring out aspects of the personality that is already there. Knowledge you acquire can do the same. But such things are not changing your personality. It has already been set.
Motivation is exactly the same. Still influenced by/looking for revenge on the man who caused his father to commit a murder/suicide. Not sure why that's such a positive shift.
yes, from the elevator in kate's flash sideways
I tend to agree here. Per their conversation, Sawyer tells notLocke that he can just kill Widmore and notLocke says nothing that I recall (probably just had a smirk on his face like "oh you think it's that easy?"). Maybe this is how Ben gets back in again...Sack-Religious said:
Oh, I agree that his nature hasn't changed. I've said as much.Just the occupation thing seems positive to me. He isn't spending his days swindling people out of their money.But who knows? Maybe he is abusing his law enforcement position. But that is guessing at something we haven't seen. Yet?Motivation is exactly the same. Still influenced by/looking for revenge on the man who caused his father to commit a murder/suicide. Not sure why that's such a positive shift.Life of crime vs life of law, or however Sawyer put it in the episode.
How did I contradict myself? Bringing out an aspect of your personality is not the same as changing it.For example, Ben Linus is a killer. He's probably been a killer since a small boy. The Ben of both timelines is a killer. But perhaps history-teacher Ben has never been put in a situation where he's under serious pressure to kill someone.:( I like how you make a definitive statement, contradict yourself, and then make the same definitive statement. Nice work.
Jack's dad was MIB/Norwood/Fake Locke. He takes the form of dead people.
Thinking about Ben meeting Widmore in his apartment in the middle of the night in this scene:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DkOsImjXcQs
So he took Christians body to get Claire to do what he wanted. Otherwise he would have stayed as Norwood right
And man-killing tiny spiders.Also, it is possible that Jacob has the same ability. Just because we haven't seen it confirmed on-screen yet doesn't mean he can't. Actually, I hate this, because we essentially have to consider the smoke monster and Jacob to be gods until we find out just what exactly they are, but that's how it is written.
How did I contradict myself? Bringing out an aspect of your personality is not the same as changing it.For example, Ben Linus is a killer. He's probably been a killer since a small boy. The Ben of both timelines is a killer. But perhaps history-teacher Ben has never been put in a situation where he's under serious pressure to kill someone.
You're ####### priceless. Don't ever change.
I have no idea what is so funny about that.How did I contradict myself? Bringing out an aspect of your personality is not the same as changing it.For example, Ben Linus is a killer. He's probably been a killer since a small boy. The Ben of both timelines is a killer. But perhaps history-teacher Ben has never been put in a situation where he's under serious pressure to kill someone.I like how you make a definitive statement, contradict yourself, and then make the same definitive statement. Nice work.
Jack offered Locke a consult in the first episode of the season, which wasn't a flash sideways for any one character, in particular. Then, both Kate and Locke's sideways lines continued on from that point. To me, that points to them being one continuous sideways arc.
Oh, I don't know, maybe your notion that a 2 year old has a set personality as a killer?Seriously, though, keep bringin' the crazy.I have no idea what is so funny about that.How did I contradict myself? Bringing out an aspect of your personality is not the same as changing it.For example, Ben Linus is a killer. He's probably been a killer since a small boy. The Ben of both timelines is a killer. But perhaps history-teacher Ben has never been put in a situation where he's under serious pressure to kill someone.
Maybe the real message behind this show is that women like bad boys.I need to rewatch the episode sober, but I remember finding last night to be very boring. And I sure hope Widmore isn't stupid enough to fall for Sawyer's trap. That would be disappointing.~~~~~~~How come Sawyer gets to bang all the hot chicks on this show? Anna Lucia, Kate, Juliette, Charlotte and a couple of other minor female characters from his flashback episodes. Can't they throw something one of the other characters way? Poor Hurley only had Libby and she got shot. Charlie was after Claire for seasons, never hit it and then got drowned for his trouble. And now she's bat#### crazy and still stuck on the island!
Why is that notion funny? There's plenty of disagreement over when personalities become set.http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/22554554/Oh, I don't know, maybe your notion that a 2 year old has a set personality as a killer?Seriously, though, keep bringin' the crazy.I have no idea what is so funny about that.How did I contradict myself? Bringing out an aspect of your personality is not the same as changing it.For example, Ben Linus is a killer. He's probably been a killer since a small boy. The Ben of both timelines is a killer. But perhaps history-teacher Ben has never been put in a situation where he's under serious pressure to kill someone.
I like how you make a definitive statement, contradict yourself, and then make the same definitive statement. Nice work.
I did not mean to infer that having a set personality meant that you were fully capable of being an adult.
I wasn't trying to sway anyone. There is no definitive answer.
I think I see kupcho's error. I said "I tend to believe" and he misread that as me making a definitive statement of fact, which I was not.I like how you make a definitive statement, contradict yourself, and then make the same definitive statement. Nice work.
