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BB is a tremendous coach, with or without spygate, but he looks like he's 'lost his fastball'..as a Giants' fan,I've appreciated his defenses, and he even made the Jets look good..his run with the Pats is one of, if not the best head coaching runs of all time..the amount of games he has won is staggering..

I understand about the weak schedule and the 6 games/yr against subpar teams in the AFC East, and that is a big part of his success, but you have beat who is on your schedule..

isn't the def coordinator Matt Patricia to blame for the weak secondary play of the Pats? isn't he the guy to blame for the lack of in-game adjustments? who gets the blame for the lack of pass rusher? ( why'd he trade away Seymour?)..Giants secondary wasn't the strong point of the defense,it was the defensive line, capable of sacking and disrupting any offense..a line like that enables the secondary to better do its job... a sack-happy line limits the amount of time the opposing QB's have to throw the ball..you get more hurry-up passing, chances for more ints, more sacks usually means more 3rd and long,etc..Pats don't have a physical front 7..they were second in the league in sacks in 2007,in the 5 years since then,they haven't finished better than 14th. so they're not getting after opposing QB's..

Phil Simms alluded to the big problem with the hurry-up offense the Pats are so fond of: it wears out a defense, but it also wears out your own offensive line..I think Indy was the only team to win a SB that featured a true hurry-up, no huddle offense..Hurry-up offense also doesn't allow much time for your defense to rest,so they become tired late in games..

but perhaps certain teams just matchup well against NE, physical teams like SF, NYG, Baltimore, etc..perhaps others have just watched a lot of video on the Pats and have copied what has been successful against them in the past..:shrug:

the dink-n-dunk screen pass ,bunch formation shenanigans are getting old and they lack new offensive creativity, they truly lack a speed demon WR on the outside( Sorry , Brandon Lloyd is an also-ran, second rate WR as evidenced by his 74-911-4 2012 season), and the oft-injured Gronkowski has once again killed them in the post-season..

Fire Patricia, hire Crennel ( too bad they missed the boat on Ray Horton), and I'd probably drop Joshy McDaniels and his one-trick pony bunch formation screen pass to Welker offense, for a Greg Roman type OC, i.e., a highly skilled coordinator with fantastic in-game adjustments and amazingly new offensive schemes..I think the Pats offense has become stale..or worse, frumpy. :P

don't take this as any kind of personal attack, I wouldn't do that after you gave belichick a good review, but there are a few peeves in here for me.

isn't the def coordinator Matt Patricia to blame for the weak secondary play of the Pats? isn't he the guy to blame for the lack of in-game adjustments? who gets the blame for the lack of pass rusher? ( why'd he trade away Seymour?)..Giants secondary wasn't the strong point of the defense,it was the defensive line, capable of sacking and disrupting any offense..a line like that enables the secondary to better do its job... a sack-happy line limits the amount of time the opposing QB's have to throw the ball..you get more hurry-up passing, chances for more ints, more sacks usually means more 3rd and long,etc..Pats don't have a physical front 7..they were second in the league in sacks in 2007,in the 5 years since then,they haven't finished better than 14th. so they're not getting after opposing QB's..

it's probably true that there are better and worse coaches and coordinators around the league, like anything else, but these kind of posts where some individual has to be scapegoated become a little annoying.

I'm really not fit to judge patricia's ability, but I know it's a team result, and I don't know how you'd be in any kind of position to say what % of failure in a given game goes to certain players, coaches, or the people that put that player on the field.

the first thing belichick says after any loss is that they needed to coach better and play better --- people might view that as tired schtick, but it's probably about the truest thing you'll ever see in any presser.

we all know the benefits of pass rush, and I'm sure you realize teams use different schemes that have different strengths and weaknesses, while also making trade offs in personnel.

to sit there and say the pats would be better off if they had jpp is kind of trite.

do you think maybe they should trade up to get a player like chandler jones?

or maybe they should burn picks to trade up for a guy like vernon gholston --- why waste picks on guys like mayo, solder, hernandez, or gronk?

I'm not about to be a pats fan throwing stones at the giants, but the reality is that great pass rush got you 12th in points allowed this year to the pats 10th -- and I don't remember seeing the giants in the playoffs.

last year, giants were 25th in points allowed to the pats 15th.

and if you think kyle love, wilfork, chandler jones, ninkovich, spikes, et al aren't a physical front 7 then I don't think you really have much of an idea of what you're talking about.

Phil Simms alluded to the big problem with the hurry-up offense the Pats are so fond of: it wears out a defense, but it also wears out your own offensive line..I think Indy was the only team to win a SB that featured a true hurry-up, no huddle offense..Hurry-up offense also doesn't allow much time for your defense to rest,so they become tired late in games..

but perhaps certain teams just matchup well against NE, physical teams like SF, NYG, Baltimore, etc..perhaps others have just watched a lot of video on the Pats and have copied what has been successful against them in the past..:shrug:

again, no offense, but this seems like some more stuff you just pulled out of your ### -- or maybe it was simms.

you do realize that their offensive line was so worn out that they led the league in scoring by a pretty good margin over manning's broncos?

how do you come up with these evaluations?

they were 12th in ToP at 30:27, meaning their offense (opponents' defense) was on the field a minute more, on average, than their defense, so their defense is getting worn out -- what kind of sense does that make?

eta that great mcdaniels coached offense in 2007 was 2nd in ToP, the year after it was 2nd again, and a year later, 3rd.

the teams you seem to think match up well with the pats seem to match up pretty well with the league, in general -- giants have won 2 superbowls recently, while both balt and sf are currently in the sb.

it's pretty unlikely any team will go undefeated every single year.

the dink-n-dunk screen pass ,bunch formation shenanigans are getting old and they lack new offensive creativity, they truly lack a speed demon WR on the outside( Sorry , Brandon Lloyd is an also-ran, second rate WR as evidenced by his 74-911-4 2012 season), and the oft-injured Gronkowski has once again killed them in the post-season..

Fire Patricia, hire Crennel ( too bad they missed the boat on Ray Horton), and I'd probably drop Joshy McDaniels and his one-trick pony bunch formation screen pass to Welker offense, for a Greg Roman type OC, i.e., a highly skilled coordinator with fantastic in-game adjustments and amazingly new offensive schemes..I think the Pats offense has become stale..or worse, frumpy. :P

as has been mentioned, the stale mcdaniels offense led the league in scoring (once again), while sf ranked 11th.

and what's annoying about this kind of posting is that every #######g year people look at the most successful team(s) and say they have to hire a 'so and so type', with 'so and so' being the high profile successful coach -- we need a 'belichick type', we need a 'sean payton type'

what's a 'greg roman type' -- a guy who's in the superbowl (thx to fangio type, or maybe a harbaugh type)?

if the pats make the superbowl next year you'll be saying the giants need to hire a 'mcdaniels type'.

edit: now that I think about it, you're probably right -- pats should fire patricia and hire a 'dean pees type'.

Edited by Kool-Aid Larry

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Apparently Marshall Faulk has an opinion on the question. :popcorn:

:lmao: :lmao:

guess it's better than blaming yourself.

maybe he should sue for 100m

stay classy, rams

stay classy? the pats are punished cheaters.

Id be pissed too if they took a superbowl from me through cheating means.

They cheated during the regular season, what makes you think they would not cheat in the Super Bowl?

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1-8 SL 8 (:36) T.Brady pass to D.Patten for 8 yards, TOUCHDOWN. Pass 8, Run 0

Play Challenged by Review Assistant and Upheld.

A.Vinatieri extra point is GOOD, Center-L.Paxton, Holder-K.Walter.

SL 3 NE 14, 5 plays, 40 yards, 0:49 drive, 14:29 elapsed

A.Vinatieri kicks 65 yards from NE 30 to SL 5. M.Faulk ran ob at SL 6 for 1 yard.

“I understand Bill is a great coach,” Faulk said. “But No. 13 [Kurt Warner] will tell you. Mike Martz will tell you. We had some plays in the red zone that we hadn’t ran. . . . And a couple of plays on third down that we walked through also . . . And they created a check for it.

total trips inside the patriots' 32 = 2 (both touchdowns)

one of those td's being from outside the redzone

:cry: :cry:

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Faulk and the Rams should be most pissed about the awful no-call on Brady's intentional grounding with 29 seconds left. http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=GVphiMBbGaM#t=177sIf intentional grounding is called there like it should have been (he was still inside the tackle box, was being pressured and there wasn't a receiver within 10 yards of the ball), the Patriots lose 10 yards, time off the clock and are then backed up their own 31 with less than 20 seconds left. I know some Rams fans who were infuriated by that non-call, especially since the next play was the pass to Troy Brown that all but put them in field goal range.

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Faulk and the Rams should be most pissed about the awful no-call on Brady's intentional grounding with 29 seconds left. http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=GVphiMBbGaM#t=177sIf intentional grounding is called there like it should have been (he was still inside the tackle box, was being pressured and there wasn't a receiver within 10 yards of the ball), the Patriots lose 10 yards, time off the clock and are then backed up their own 31 with less than 20 seconds left. I know some Rams fans who were infuriated by that non-call, especially since the next play was the pass to Troy Brown that all but put them in field goal range.

are you going to post the rest of the non-calls? Edited by Kool-Aid Larry

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We originally posted this WFAN interview as having been conducted during Super Bowl week. It actually dates back to September. Regardless, it's still interesting to note how commonplace former Cowboys coach Jimmy Johnson feels the use of cameras is by NFL teams. He admits he used them to steal signs all the time.Q: How about the spying thing Jimmy. You're a coach does that bother you what Belichick did?JJ: Oh please. I've said it on our show. Eighteen years ago a scout for the Chiefs told me what they did, and he said what you need to do is just take your camera and you go and zoom in on the signal caller and that way you can sync it up. The problem is that if they're not on the press box side you can't do it from the press box, you have to do it from the sideline. This was 18 years ago.Q: You think the NFL came down too hard on them?JJ: No, no, I said it on the show. He was wrong for doing it for the simple reason that the league knew this was going on not just in New England but around the league. And the league sent out the memorandum to all of the teams saying you cannot do this. And so that's when Bill Belichick was wrong. After he got the memorandum saying don't do it any more, he did it.Q: Did you ever steal signals?JJ: Oh in a heartbeat, yeah. Yes I did.Q: Via video, Jimmy? Or no?JJ: Oh yeah, I did it with video and so did a lot of other teams in the league. Just to make sure that you could study it and take your time, because you're going to play the other team the second time around. But a lot of coaches did it, this was commonplace.Q: But did you do it by taping the signal caller?JJ: Yeah.Q: Oh you did.JJ: That's what I'm saying. I was saying one of Marty Schottenheimer's scouts, Mark Hatley, who has passed away now, Mark told me that's how they did it, and Howard Mudd their offensive line coach with Kansas City, who now coaches for Tony Dungy, he was the best in the entire league at stealing signals.Q: Where'd you put your guy who was videotaping? Where was he?JJ: My guy was up with my camera crew in the press box. So you'd just put an extra camera up with your camera crew in the press box who zoomed in on the signal callers. That's the best way to do it, but anyway you can't always do that because the press box camera crew might be on the same side as the opposing team. If they're on the same side as the opposing team that's when you need to do it from the sideline.

I guess you know who the big dog in the nfl is by who they're talking about during superbowl week. :lmao: whole lotta gossip queens :cry: again this year --- business as usual.we'll see you guys again next year -- looking fwd to the season.

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Has he won anything of significance since the Patriots were caught cheating?

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Has he won anything of significance since the Patriots were caught cheating?

Not if you define "anything of significance" as "anything the Patriots lost". He's got two SB appearances, 3 AFCCG appearances, and the first 16-0 team in history. We can argue about whether those are as significant as a SB championship, but you can't argue they aren't significant.

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We originally posted this WFAN interview as having been conducted during Super Bowl week. It actually dates back to September. Regardless, it's still interesting to note how commonplace former Cowboys coach Jimmy Johnson feels the use of cameras is by NFL teams. He admits he used them to steal signs all the time.

Q: How about the spying thing Jimmy. You're a coach does that bother you what Belichick did?

JJ: Oh please. I've said it on our show. Eighteen years ago a scout for the Chiefs told me what they did, and he said what you need to do is just take your camera and you go and zoom in on the signal caller and that way you can sync it up. The problem is that if they're not on the press box side you can't do it from the press box, you have to do it from the sideline. This was 18 years ago.

Q: You think the NFL came down too hard on them?

JJ: No, no, I said it on the show. He was wrong for doing it for the simple reason that the league knew this was going on not just in New England but around the league. And the league sent out the memorandum to all of the teams saying you cannot do this. And so that's when Bill Belichick was wrong. After he got the memorandum saying don't do it any more, he did it.

Q: Did you ever steal signals?

JJ: Oh in a heartbeat, yeah. Yes I did.

Q: Via video, Jimmy? Or no?

JJ: Oh yeah, I did it with video and so did a lot of other teams in the league. Just to make sure that you could study it and take your time, because you're going to play the other team the second time around. But a lot of coaches did it, this was commonplace.

Q: But did you do it by taping the signal caller?

JJ: Yeah.

Q: Oh you did.

JJ: That's what I'm saying. I was saying one of Marty Schottenheimer's scouts, Mark Hatley, who has passed away now, Mark told me that's how they did it, and Howard Mudd their offensive line coach with Kansas City, who now coaches for Tony Dungy, he was the best in the entire league at stealing signals.

Q: Where'd you put your guy who was videotaping? Where was he?

JJ: My guy was up with my camera crew in the press box. So you'd just put an extra camera up with your camera crew in the press box who zoomed in on the signal callers. That's the best way to do it, but anyway you can't always do that because the press box camera crew might be on the same side as the opposing team. If they're on the same side as the opposing team that's when you need to do it from the sideline.

I guess you know who the big dog in the nfl is by who they're talking about during superbowl week.

:lmao:

whole lotta gossip queens :cry: again this year --- business as usual.

we'll see you guys again next year -- looking fwd to the season.

Coaches for Tony Dungy? Where did you dig that up?

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Has he won anything of significance since the Patriots were caught cheating?

Not if you define "anything of significance" as "anything the Patriots lost". He's got two SB appearances, 3 AFCCG appearances, and the first 16-0 team in history. We can argue about whether those are as significant as a SB championship, but you can't argue they aren't significant.
I always look forward to reading your insightful posts during the football season. So the Patriots have done well, they just didn't have the "edge" they needed to win another Super Bowl?Full disclosure: I haven't said anything nice about the Patriots since the 2001 Super Bowl.

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Has he won anything of significance since the Patriots were caught cheating?

Not if you define "anything of significance" as "anything the Patriots lost".

He's got two SB appearances, 3 AFCCG appearances, and the first 16-0 team in history. We can argue about whether those are as significant as a SB championship, but you can't argue they aren't significant.

I always look forward to reading your insightful posts during the football season.

So the Patriots have done well, they just didn't have the "edge" they needed to win another Super Bowl?

Full disclosure: I haven't said anything nice about the Patriots since the 2001 Super Bowl.

Location:Rams fan in Seattle

just noticed that

:lmao: :lmao: :lmao:

patriots have left a long trail of tears and broken dreams.

Edited by Kool-Aid Larry

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Has he won anything of significance since the Patriots were caught cheating?

Not if you define "anything of significance" as "anything the Patriots lost".

He's got two SB appearances, 3 AFCCG appearances, and the first 16-0 team in history. We can argue about whether those are as significant as a SB championship, but you can't argue they aren't significant.

I always look forward to reading your insightful posts during the football season.

So the Patriots have done well, they just didn't have the "edge" they needed to win another Super Bowl?

Full disclosure: I haven't said anything nice about the Patriots since the 2001 Super Bowl.

Location:Rams fan in Seattle

just noticed that

:lmao: :lmao: :lmao:

patriots have left a long rail of tears and broken dreams.

...and destroyed video tape. :)

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It's Lombardi or Walsh. But I guess in times like these you just defer to the guy with his name on the trophy.

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It's Lombardi or Walsh. But I guess in times like these you just defer to the guy with his name on the trophy.

I believe Gibbs is still the only coach to win a Super Bowl with three different starting QBs, yes? Has to put him in the conversation at least, depending on how important you think QB play is.

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:lmao: :lmao: willie mcginest

"If we had extra information that game wouldn't have come down to a field goal"

that's why I love being a pats fan --- I can root for these guys while rams fans get the embarrassment of marshall faulk.maybe if those crying #####es had manned up instead of turtling up the pats wouldn't have been able to push them down and take their lunch money.

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Has he won anything of significance since the Patriots were caught cheating?

Not if you define "anything of significance" as "anything the Patriots lost". He's got two SB appearances, 3 AFCCG appearances, and the first 16-0 team in history. We can argue about whether those are as significant as a SB championship, but you can't argue they aren't significant.
I always look forward to reading your insightful posts during the football season. So the Patriots have done well, they just didn't have the "edge" they needed to win another Super Bowl?Full disclosure: I haven't said anything nice about the Patriots since the 2001 Super Bowl.
Fantasy owners will always tell you that winning championships is luck, that the best owners are those guys that consistently make the playoffs and field competitive teams. I'd say the same is true in the NFL. A team has to get a lot of lucky bounces to win a championship- the best franchises are those that are consistently in the hunt. And nobody has been more consistently in the hunt than Belichick and the Patriots, who have had double digit wins every year since 2006.

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:lmao: :lmao: willie mcginest

"If we had extra information that game wouldn't have come down to a field goal"

that's why I love being a pats fan --- I can root for these guys while rams fans get the embarrassment of marshall faulk.

maybe if those crying #####es had manned up instead of turtling up the pats wouldn't have been able to push them down and take their lunch money.

:lmao: :lmao:

guess it's better than blaming yourself.

maybe he should sue for 100m

stay classy, rams

Yea, those classless Rams are terrible. :rolleyes:

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:lmao: :lmao: willie mcginest

"If we had extra information that game wouldn't have come down to a field goal"

that's why I love being a pats fan --- I can root for these guys while rams fans get the embarrassment of marshall faulk.

maybe if those crying #####es had manned up instead of turtling up the pats wouldn't have been able to push them down and take their lunch money.

:lmao: :lmao:

guess it's better than blaming yourself.

maybe he should sue for 100m

stay classy, rams

Yea, those classless Rams are terrible. :rolleyes:
Nobody confuses Belichick with class. He is still under .500 without Brady at QB.

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Nobody confuses Belichick with class. He is still under .500 without Brady at QB.

I didn't realize you were everybody's spokesman --- when was that election, or is it an appointed position?his record with the incomparable matt cassel at qb isn't bad.I think that alone should be hof credentials.

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:lmao::lmao: at Kool-Aid Larry getting so defensive. This just shows that the fact that the Pats super bowl wins are at the very least somewhat tarnished really bugs him. If it was a non-issue, he wouldn't get so agitated.

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:lmao: :lmao: willie mcginest

"If we had extra information that game wouldn't have come down to a field goal"

that's why I love being a pats fan --- I can root for these guys while rams fans get the embarrassment of marshall faulk.

maybe if those crying #####es had manned up instead of turtling up the pats wouldn't have been able to push them down and take their lunch money.

:lmao: :lmao:

guess it's better than blaming yourself.

maybe he should sue for 100m

stay classy, rams

Yea, those classless Rams are terrible. :rolleyes:
:goodposting:

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Nobody confuses Belichick with class. He is still under .500 without Brady at QB.

Are you sure? The last time we started fact checking your posts it didn't work out so hot for you.

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:lmao::lmao: at Kool-Aid Larry getting so defensive. This just shows that the fact that the Pats super bowl wins are at the very least somewhat tarnished really bugs him. If it was a non-issue, he wouldn't get so agitated.

I'll talk pats in any thread -- even the troll threads are cool, which is most of them on this board.when did posting = agitation?unlike many posters in here, I try to stick to posting about things that I actually know something about --- I don't need to have an opinion on everything.if there's a pats thread in here chances are I'll be posting in it.

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Nobody confuses Belichick with class. He is still under .500 without Brady at QB.

Are you sure? The last time we started fact checking your posts it didn't work out so hot for you.
if you want actual football insight I'd suggest the idp forum --- asking for facts in the troll forum ruins the illusion.what happened to the shark pool?

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Nobody confuses Belichick with class. He is still under .500 without Brady at QB.

Are you sure? The last time we started fact checking your posts it didn't work out so hot for you.
Who is WE? Since you are The Ref I will do the work for you. Here you are:

Cleveland Record

1991 6-10

1992 7-9

1993 7-9

1994 11-5

1995 5-11

Total 36-44

New England Record w/out Brady starting

2000 5-11

2001 0-2

2008 10-5

Total 15-18

Your Grand Total = 51 - 62

Please provide proof where it didn't work out so hot for me... :no:

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so, he took over a 3-13 team in cleveland and a few years later had them at 11-5 with a playoff win, then years later, with an entirely different roster, won 11 games with matt cassel at qb?DAMN that guy sux!!! :lmao: :lmao:

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so, he took over a 3-13 team in cleveland and a few years later had them at 11-5 with a playoff win, then years later, with an entirely different roster, won 11 games with matt cassel at qb?DAMN that guy sux!!! :lmao: :lmao:

Sorry if do not agree, but I believe the Patriot's success is a lot more Brady than Belichick.

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so, he took over a 3-13 team in cleveland and a few years later had them at 11-5 with a playoff win, then years later, with an entirely different roster, won 11 games with matt cassel at qb?DAMN that guy sux!!! :lmao: :lmao:

Sorry if do not agree, but I believe the Patriot's success is a lot more Brady than Belichick.
you can believe in peter pan if you want -- I'm not the thought police.they won 11 games in '08, followed by 10 games in '09, but it's all brady.

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btw, I noticed that after the pats broke their spirits in 2001, the raiders and rams quickly went into the tank and became 2 of the laughingstock franchises over the last decade, while the pats paced the nfl in wins.do you think it's possible belichick feeds on life forces, somehow, and how could we get that reported by bspn?

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btw, I noticed that after the pats broke their spirits in 2001, the raiders and rams quickly went into the tank and became 2 of the laughingstock franchises over the last decade, while the pats paced the nfl in wins.do you think it's possible belichick feeds on life forces, somehow, and how could we get that reported by bspn?

Just to be clear- you're talking about the Raiders team that went to the Super Bowl in 2002-2003, right?The amazing thing about Patriots fans is that you're not an anomaly. Most of them are just like you.

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It's Lombardi or Walsh. But I guess in times like these you just defer to the guy with his name on the trophy.

I believe Gibbs is still the only coach to win a Super Bowl with three different starting QBs, yes? Has to put him in the conversation at least, depending on how important you think QB play is.
Holmgren won the Super Bowl with the Packers and then got robbed in the Super Bowl with the Seahawks in what was a terribly officiated game.

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btw, I noticed that after the pats broke their spirits in 2001, the raiders and rams quickly went into the tank and became 2 of the laughingstock franchises over the last decade, while the pats paced the nfl in wins.do you think it's possible belichick feeds on life forces, somehow, and how could we get that reported by bspn?

Just to be clear- you're talking about the Raiders team that went to the Super Bowl in 2002-2003, right?The amazing thing about Patriots fans is that you're not an anomaly. Most of them are just like you.
sorry if my post was confusing -- I'm talking about the raiders team that has won 49 games in the last 10 seasons, for less than a 5 win average.that's an awful lot of calls going against them, but maybe it was sabotage.

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since he's a known cheater, it automatically eliminates him from the conversation

I don't remember hearing that about holmgren, but I don't know how he'd get into a convo about the great bill belichick in the first place.

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btw, I noticed that after the pats broke their spirits in 2001, the raiders and rams quickly went into the tank and became 2 of the laughingstock franchises over the last decade, while the pats paced the nfl in wins.do you think it's possible belichick feeds on life forces, somehow, and how could we get that reported by bspn?

Hey now, the Rams have never been a laughingstock franchise in my opinion. :cry: The team just dealt with a very unfortunate series of those unlucky bounces SSOG was mentioning in his post.Coach Fisher will lead the Rams back to glory though, count on it! :thumbup:

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btw, I noticed that after the pats broke their spirits in 2001, the raiders and rams quickly went into the tank and became 2 of the laughingstock franchises over the last decade, while the pats paced the nfl in wins.do you think it's possible belichick feeds on life forces, somehow, and how could we get that reported by bspn?

Just to be clear- you're talking about the Raiders team that went to the Super Bowl in 2002-2003, right?The amazing thing about Patriots fans is that you're not an anomaly. Most of them are just like you.
sorry if my post was confusing -- I'm talking about the raiders team that has won 49 games in the last 10 seasons, for less than a 5 win average.that's an awful lot of calls going against them, but maybe it was sabotage.
Maybe next time don't use the word "quickly." Or "broke their spirits," I guess, since broken spirits generally don't turn around and go 11-5 including a win over their spirit-breakers on their way to the Super Bowl.Otherwise, keep on truckin'. You are truly the embodiment of what it is to be a Patriots fan. Edited by TobiasFunke

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btw, I noticed that after the pats broke their spirits in 2001, the raiders and rams quickly went into the tank and became 2 of the laughingstock franchises over the last decade, while the pats paced the nfl in wins.do you think it's possible belichick feeds on life forces, somehow, and how could we get that reported by bspn?

Just to be clear- you're talking about the Raiders team that went to the Super Bowl in 2002-2003, right?The amazing thing about Patriots fans is that you're not an anomaly. Most of them are just like you.
sorry if my post was confusing -- I'm talking about the raiders team that has won 49 games in the last 10 seasons, for less than a 5 win average.that's an awful lot of calls going against them, but maybe it was sabotage.
Maybe next time don't use the word "quickly." Or "broke their spirits," I guess, since broken spirits generally don't turn around and go 11-5 including a win over their spirit-breakers on their way to the Super Bowl.Otherwise, keep on truckin'. You are truly the embodiment of what it is to be a Patriots fan.
sometimes that black magic (no offense) takes a year to really set in, but that's why it's an art and not a science.

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btw, I noticed that after the pats broke their spirits in 2001, the raiders and rams quickly went into the tank and became 2 of the laughingstock franchises over the last decade, while the pats paced the nfl in wins.do you think it's possible belichick feeds on life forces, somehow, and how could we get that reported by bspn?

Just to be clear- you're talking about the Raiders team that went to the Super Bowl in 2002-2003, right?The amazing thing about Patriots fans is that you're not an anomaly. Most of them are just like you.
:goodposting: You are so right about the patriot fans.The patriots have one good decade and they pretend to own the NFL.Let's see how they do when Brady is gone.

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The NFL has not had NE play in Miami for a Sept 1 pm game in over a decade

Yeah it was way back before we were football fans..... way way back in week one....... of 2011...... :rolleyes:. Week 4 of 2010.... Week 3 of 2008.... Week 5 of 2006...

Are you sure? The last time we started fact checking your posts it didn't work out so hot for you.

Please provide proof where it didn't work out so hot for me... :no:
Ahem.....

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so, he took over a 3-13 team in cleveland and a few years later had them at 11-5 with a playoff win, then years later, with an entirely different roster, won 11 games with matt cassel at qb?

DAMN that guy sux!!! :lmao: :lmao:

Sorry if do not agree, but I believe the Patriot's success is a lot more Brady than Belichick.
you can believe in peter pan if you want -- I'm not the thought police.

they won 11 games in '08, followed by 10 games in '09, but it's all brady.

Pretty favorable schedule in '08. http://www.ihavenet....f-schedule.html Brady could have lead the Patriots to his second undefeated season with that schedule.

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so, he took over a 3-13 team in cleveland and a few years later had them at 11-5 with a playoff win, then years later, with an entirely different roster, won 11 games with matt cassel at qb?

DAMN that guy sux!!! :lmao: :lmao:

Sorry if do not agree, but I believe the Patriot's success is a lot more Brady than Belichick.
you can believe in peter pan if you want -- I'm not the thought police.

they won 11 games in '08, followed by 10 games in '09, but it's all brady.

Pretty favorable schedule in '08. http://www.ihavenet....f-schedule.html Brady could have lead the Patriots to his second undefeated season with that schedule.
which would be belichick's 2nd 16-0 season?

not bad........

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Please stop feeding the trolls.

:goodposting: Seriously. Haters have been rehashing the same ignorant comments for years. I can't tell you how many times we read "The Patriots haven't won a thing since spygate". WTF does that even mean? Neither have 28 other NFL teams. However, the Pats were two plays away from winning two more Super Bowls.The same people who say that also say "The Patriots shouldn't even have won that AFCC game last year because the Ravens receiver dropped a sure TD in the end zone". Kind of contradicting statements, huh? Oh, and the receiver didn't "drop" the ball. It was knocked away by Moore, who just happened to do his job better than the receiver.I could go on, but what's the point?

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so, he took over a 3-13 team in cleveland and a few years later had them at 11-5 with a playoff win, then years later, with an entirely different roster, won 11 games with matt cassel at qb?

DAMN that guy sux!!! :lmao: :lmao:

Sorry if do not agree, but I believe the Patriot's success is a lot more Brady than Belichick.
you can believe in peter pan if you want -- I'm not the thought police.

they won 11 games in '08, followed by 10 games in '09, but it's all brady.

Pretty favorable schedule in '08. http://www.ihavenet....f-schedule.html Brady could have lead the Patriots to his second undefeated season with that schedule.
which would be belichick's 2nd 16-0 season?

not bad........

My mistake I though you were implying that the 11 wins in '08 was evidence of Belichick's great coaching without Brady.

It is pretty clear that the easy schedule benifited all the AFC east teams in '08. Tony Sparano coached the Dolphins to 11 wins. Dolphins were 1-15 the year prior.

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