Steve Tasker
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But for many gamers, there's more to "gaming" than just the machine specs.
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SlaX
Footballguy
- Thanks for the correction. I was going based on Twitter news feed of the conference that stated it would work as set top box.
- I don't think we'll really know how much it'll affect the used games market for a few months. But I don't plan on paying to borrow a game from my brother-in-law like we tend to often do. Rentals will cost more due to the double dip and I see it taking a huge hit.
- I agree on this one. Being that I've never really owned a PS console, I felt like I jumped on the wrong console for two generations now. Maybe I'll feel the same if I switch. Maybe I'll go PC only.
- I hope for the sake of the XBox One that XBox Live service actually is $60/year. I don't feel confident that will be the case.
I think some have taken my negativity as hate for the new XBox, but it's rather the opposite. I'm afraid that some of the things that Microsoft is doing will possibly kill the XBox. I won't go into the reasons why. But there's a lot of reasons that many of their moves over the last 7-8 years could hurt the game industry as a whole. I'm talking Atari 2600 crash stuff. I'm not the only one that feels this way. I hope we're wrong. I love gaming. I plan on doing it til I'm 6 feet underground.
B-Deep
Footballguy
most summaries i am reading say the systems are remarkably similar anyway, based on what we know now
and i have no dog in this fight
i owned a playstation 1 and 2, and a PSP
i bought an xbox360 very late in the game because i had access to some used games for free
and i own a ps vita
i'll prefer whichever one is better, it is just way too early to know that
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The media hub functions. Apps are buggy and you need to pay for a XBL subscription to use them.
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SlaX
Footballguy
From what I've seen so far, both systems are very similar in spec. I think Sony stated that they may change their specs to compete better between the announcement and E3 (or release) so they can still change. It's all up to features and games at this point that I can tell.
B-Deep
Footballguy
which could be a good thing, drives innovation into the software development area, more competition
Time Kibitzer
Footballguy
I wasn't saying anything about game renting in particular, I was saying Microsoft should care about it as much as anything else their consumers care about. Ignoring your consumers opinions completely is how EA got in the mess they are in now.
And download-only may be coming sooner than later, but I don't think that's particularly relevant with this generation of systems because we're definitely not there yet. 500GB hard drives that these systems will be having is very little when compared to modern computers/laptops, especially if the xbox is going to be used as a media hub, considering these blockbuster console games take up large amounts of hard drive space themselves. These systems just aren't powerful enough to support download-only for those who actually use the systems frequently, which are Microsofts most important customers.
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SlaX
Footballguy
I wonder how easy it is to develop for the X1. I've read so many articles on how easy the PS4 is to develop for compared to the PS3. The PS4 uses a dev kit that is easy to port from PS4 to PC and vice versa. Microsoft would be smart if they did theirs the same way.
GroveDiesel
Footballguy
The PS4 RAM blows away the One's RAM and you can bet that their processor does too. Otherwise Microsoft would have been trumpeting the actual specs of their processor today instead of announcing how many transistors it has
It's not like PS4 compared to the WiiU, but it will be pretty close to a high end gaming PC compared to a very good gaming PC.
It's not going to affect things like screen resolution, but it will probably have an effect on things like fps, AI, texture resolutions, stuff they can pack on screen, and possibly other bandwidth items down the road similar to the PS3 having issues with voice features and RAM issues like in Skyrim.
jwb
Footballguy
This is true - 500gb is not going to be much for the hardcore gamer. My guess is the next model a year from now includes a TB hdd.
GroveDiesel
Footballguy
I certainly agree. And there is a lot of room to see where this all goes. At this point though, it's pretty clear that Sony is trying to position themselves as the gaming console and Microsoft is trying to position themselves as an all around entertainment console. Both machines should be theoretically capable of similar things, it's a matter of how they're utilized. It will be interesting to see which approach the general public embraces more.
jwb
Footballguy
I've been an xbox guy all along, but if Sony every wanted to convert me, now's the time.
Worm
slimy ninja
I don't think it's clear at all. Sony didn't show me much at their reveal. They showed games, yes, but there was nothing that knocks your socks off feature wise. Microsoft will show what they have games wise in a few weeks, and then we can see where we are. But if XB1 and PS4 end up similar gaming wise, then so far it seems like the XB1 offers much more outside of that.
SlaX
Footballguy
That reminded me of the "bit wars" from the 80's and 90's. Because as we all know, theThe PS4 RAM blows away the One's RAM and you can bet that their processor does too. Otherwise Microsoft would have been trumpeting the actual specs of their processor today instead of announcing how many transistors it has
It's not like PS4 compared to the WiiU, but it will be pretty close to a high end gaming PC compared to a very good gaming PC.
It's not going to affect things like screen resolution, but it will probably have an effect on things like fps, AI, texture resolutions, stuff they can pack on screen, and possibly other bandwidth items down the road similar to the PS3 having issues with voice features and RAM issues like in Skyrim.
was better than the Sega Genesis and Super Nintendo because 64 bits > 16 bits.
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jwb
Footballguy
I think they prettywell have that figured out now (but yea, let's hope it translates to the new one.)
Worm
slimy ninja
Even given Grove's clarification earlier on this page about how it will not replace your set top box, I still don't understand how the TV thing will integrate. Cable box/Sat box pushes out a signal to the XB1 via HDMI, and you have an option of passing through the audio to a receiver... I get that part. What I don't get is how the XB1 will give feedback to the cable box/TV service.
GroveDiesel
Footballguy
Well, I think Sony showed a lot of games in their reveal precisely because they're positioning themselves as a gaming console. That's kind of my point. You emphasize what your biggest attraction is at your reveal. That's your first chance to establish your brand and your marketing message.
That can all change, but I've read in multiple places now that the messages coming from Microsoft and Sony so far are very intentional and that Sony is indeed focusing on gamers and Microsoft is focusing on the whole entertainment experience.
Maybe Halo and their EA "partnership" will be enough for them to grab the average gamer's attention without a more focused push for gamers.
This isn't really just my opinion or attempt to be a fanboy in any way. I already told my PS3 friends that I'm buying whatever console is a better deal and offers a better gaming experience. I really don't care who makes it. And maybe it's just marketing speak, but the messages from the reveals along with what has apparently been relayed to key media people seem pretty clear at this point as to who each one is speaking to at this point.
GroveDiesel
Footballguy
A commenter at ArsTechnica said that there is an IR blaster Out on the back of the XB1. So you run the cable from that into the set top box and it allows the XB1 to send that control signal to the box.
I also know that HDMI can pass along control instructions too. I'm not sure what all is involved in that, but I know that if I have an LG BluRay player hooked up to my LG tv via HDMI, it allows me to control both via one controller.
Worm
slimy ninja
Ok. I guess I just see their reveal today as trying to fix the mistakes Sony made during their reveal while serving to build momentum through E3. I guess we'll see what happens at E3 and how the different strategies play out.
SlaX
Footballguy
Worm
slimy ninja
Do they basically replace your STB? Basically removing your need to ever control it, accessing the programming just through the TiVo unit? I've never had one.
SlaX
Footballguy
Some of them do. Some of them still require the set top box to transmit the digital and HD channels. You can access basic cable via coax and in that case you don't have to have a set top box. But these days, more we prefer digital and HD channels. If you get one that acts as a set top, you'll have to set it up with help of the cable or satellite service settings. Most cable or satellite services now have their own DVR and most of them use Tivo already, so there's no need for the outside box.
Also, if you get the Tivo outside your cable/sat provider, you'll still have to pay for the Tivo service, which was $12.95/month when I last used it. That service has many multimedia features now, along with getting program data and other stuff. Used to, it was only for program data. Now you can watch Hulu and Netflix on the Tivo, use streaming music services, many of the same things that XBox Live provides.
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Andy Dufresne
Footballguy
This is an interesting factiod:
Microsoft's Xbox Live service was launched in 2002, powered by some 500 servers. The upcoming version of the service, will run on 300,000 servers, according to the company. That's more than the entire world's computing power in 1999, Microsoft boasted during the conference. All those servers will be employed, for instance, to record video of game play and store game saves.
Microsoft's Xbox Live service was launched in 2002, powered by some 500 servers. The upcoming version of the service, will run on 300,000 servers, according to the company. That's more than the entire world's computing power in 1999, Microsoft boasted during the conference. All those servers will be employed, for instance, to record video of game play and store game saves.
Time Kibitzer
Footballguy
For whatever it's worth, Microsoft's stock price was almost static (dropped slightly) despite the big Xbox One announcement today, whereas Sony's stock price rose over 9% in wake of the Xbox One reveal.
Jobber
Footballguy
So does this mean that live games are hosted on those servers? Or is my Halo 5 game going to run on some guy's XB1 in Alaska?
Worm
slimy ninja
jwb
Footballguy
I have to admit that although a lot of the stuff seems cool, I feel a bit like this too. (46 y/o here)
culdeus
Footballguy
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belljr
Footballguy
im serious, i read it wont have dvr capabilities for television so serious question.i still need a cable box so why have both on
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culdeus
Footballguy
Many providers will not need a box. IPTV providers, specifically (Uverse, FIOS, and likely cablecard customers as well).im serious, i read it wont have dvr capabilities for television so serious question.i still need a cable box so why have both on
DVR era is nearly over. Everything is converging to on-demand now.
This is one step closer to the entire nation cutting the cable, a move that is happening in accelerating numbers without this and with things like Roku. This system takes XBMC type functionality to the masses.
bull####Many providers will not need a box. IPTV providers, specifically (Uverse, FIOS, and likely cablecard customers as well).im serious, i read it wont have dvr capabilities for television so serious question.i still need a cable box so why have both on
DVR era is nearly over. Everything is converging to on-demand now.
This is one step closer to the entire nation cutting the cable, a move that is happening in accelerating numbers without this and with things like Roku. This system takes XBMC type functionality to the masses.
belljr
Footballguy
how will you not need a box to receive all the digital hd channels? i can get thw basics with my tv tuner but not everything...Many providers will not need a box. IPTV providers, specifically (Uverse, FIOS, and likely cablecard customers as well). DVR era is nearly over. Everything is converging to on-demand now. This is one step closer to the entire nation cutting the cable, a move that is happening in accelerating numbers without this and with things like Roku. This system takes XBMC type functionality to the masses.im serious, i read it wont have dvr capabilities for television so serious question.i still need a cable box so why have both on
culdeus
Footballguy
I'm not sure you are reading the above well. You could have done a no-box cable system with the 360 on uverse. This was the pilot program which they closed quietly in mid 2012. The fact they are doing a pass-thru is the logical extension and then they will draw providers in on a iptv wrap.how will you not need a box to receive all the digital hd channels? i can get thw basics with my tv tuner but not everything...Many providers will not need a box. IPTV providers, specifically (Uverse, FIOS, and likely cablecard customers as well). DVR era is nearly over. Everything is converging to on-demand now. This is one step closer to the entire nation cutting the cable, a move that is happening in accelerating numbers without this and with things like Roku. This system takes XBMC type functionality to the masses.im serious, i read it wont have dvr capabilities for television so serious question.i still need a cable box so why have both on
GroveDiesel
Footballguy
Already been confirmed that it does not support Cablecard. So yeah, you will need a box from any cable or satellite provider as well as Uverse and FiOS.Many providers will not need a box. IPTV providers, specifically (Uverse, FIOS, and likely cablecard customers as well).im serious, i read it wont have dvr capabilities for television so serious question.i still need a cable box so why have both on
DVR era is nearly over. Everything is converging to on-demand now.
This is one step closer to the entire nation cutting the cable, a move that is happening in accelerating numbers without this and with things like Roku. This system takes XBMC type functionality to the masses.
GroveDiesel
Footballguy
No, you can't.
"Your Xbox cannot be your only receiver; you must have a DVR or other receiver as a primary receiver."
That's straight from the ATT uverse page.
GroveDiesel
Footballguy
I've owned one Playstation product and I only bought that one because all my friends that game had already purchased PS3s. I would have preferred a 360. I don't give a crap who makes the system, I just want the best console gaming experience.
NCCommish
Footballguy
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NCCommish
Footballguy
What should make your decision about which console to buy should be the games IMO. Not specs as they are pretty equal. If you like Sony exclusives you should probably buy a PS4 for your next console. If it's all about MS games then buy an Xbox. If you got it like Chet get both and rock on.
culdeus
Footballguy
You can still do a no box uverse on 360 if you are willing to pay 125, today. I would be stunned if you couldn't roll that in this round.Already been confirmed that it does not support Cablecard. So yeah, you will need a box from any cable or satellite provider as well as Uverse and FiOS.Many providers will not need a box. IPTV providers, specifically (Uverse, FIOS, and likely cablecard customers as well).im serious, i read it wont have dvr capabilities for television so serious question.i still need a cable box so why have both on
DVR era is nearly over. Everything is converging to on-demand now.
This is one step closer to the entire nation cutting the cable, a move that is happening in accelerating numbers without this and with things like Roku. This system takes XBMC type functionality to the masses.
That's disappointing about cablecard. That was part of the rumor stuff so I thought it would have gone through.
teamramrod
Footballguy
does the eye on the Kinect remind anyone else of HAL?
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teamramrod
Footballguy
Does this set top speech remind anyone of the THDO presser in 1994?
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GroveDiesel
Footballguy
The info in the link here seems to say to me that you still need a uverse receiver in addition to the 360.You can still do a no box uverse on 360 if you are willing to pay 125, today. I would be stunned if you couldn't roll that in this round.Already been confirmed that it does not support Cablecard. So yeah, you will need a box from any cable or satellite provider as well as Uverse and FiOS.Many providers will not need a box. IPTV providers, specifically (Uverse, FIOS, and likely cablecard customers as well).im serious, i read it wont have dvr capabilities for television so serious question.i still need a cable box so why have both on
DVR era is nearly over. Everything is converging to on-demand now.
This is one step closer to the entire nation cutting the cable, a move that is happening in accelerating numbers without this and with things like Roku. This system takes XBMC type functionality to the masses.
That's disappointing about cablecard. That was part of the rumor stuff so I thought it would have gone through.
http://www.att.com/u-verse/explore/xbox-receiver.jsp#fbid=6oES0uSK59-
cstu
Footballguy
TEAMRAMROD: The XBOX is giving me a 'disc dirty' error
KINECT: It can only be attributable to human error.
ConnSKINS26
Footballguy
This was my assumption. All anyone did after the PS4 reveal was talk #### about how they didn't even show the actual console or what it could do.So I kinda saw this as Xbox going the opposite way to generate positive vibes in the gaming community. What they failed to take into account is that SOME info is never enough for gamers, and we'll always find something to complain about even though just 15 years ago I was stuck playing Donkey Kong Country 2 or some ####. Nothing's ever enough for us.
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