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One big difference between the two concerns is one is the direct action of the state, which can be controlled, and one is an act of an independent person that can be addressed by other means (improving safety in prisons, etc). I don't see it as one or the other. Both problems can be solved. One can be handled easily by direct action, reducing the risk of death for an innocent via execution by 100%.
Not the concern. You've lost your societal protections...culdeus said:
Our constitution clearly gives protections. If you want to address this I suggest doing it with a constitutional amendment.
I wasn't making an argument for the death penalty with that case, just an argument that a living murderer can harm again while a dead one can not. No matter what precautions you take, you can never be 100% sure that someone serving LWOP won't harm again (which is the same argument people make for executing innocent people).
Wait. Now you are running with someone else's reasoning on why/why-not and now you aren't worried about something being 100% assured?proninja said:
Because murder is wrong no matter how many ways you try to justify it. I am an athiest. My principles don't come from Jesus. They come from the idea that killing innocent people is wrong. Because a system that kills the innocent is as much a danger to society as the people you are so eager to kill. Logical? No. Ruthless? For sure.
I don't care what he did. The state murdering it's citizens is wrong. Giving it that power is stupid on so many levels it should be self evident. I could clean up death row tomorrow. Commute all sentences to life without chance of parole. Done.
Murder is always wrong. The state never tries to murder anyone. Just like in jail. But mistakes will happen and that includes being murdered in jail.
You kill someone for simple revenge who is no longer a threat to society. It is murder. It is not self defense. It is simple blood lust and revenge. There is no value to the act. It changes nothing. It makes nothing better. It simply gives the state the power to kill to no effect. No deterrent, never stops a thing, no purpose served.
I mean life in a box is better than no life at all, but going to jail for life as an innocent does suck a tad too.
Well at least we get a chance to realize and correct a mistake if we make one. But yeah it sucks.
Lets make it life with the possibility of parole. Don't really see the point in no possibility of parole.
Well I was talking in replacement of the death penalty. I think there are crimes that are so horrendous you give up your social rights. You have put yourself so far outside societal norms that you don't get a do over. However in cases where you would otherwise not get the death penalty then yes parole should be available. Just like the death penalty life without parole would be the ultimate punishment not the only one.
I mean, I understand your concern. Like a serial killer or something. Nobody wants to see Jeffrey Dahmer back on the streets.
With you on all that. And it should be pointed out that very few people, relatively, get the death penalty. Even most murders result in a person getting paroled. And as I pointed out studies show them to be the least likely to recommit their crime or go back to jail. So yeah ultimate penalty.
Disagree with almost all of that in its entirety.
Why do you keep saying this? People have been killed by inmates serving life without parole- do you deny that?
Given what we are finding out about our drinking water, especially in lower income areas, I think we should be looking at lead. We should be testing for exposure to lead. Leads effects are well known and violent behavior is certainly a known symptom.
you piece of 
. You SHOULD have been executed. Zero doubt.You won't hear a peep out of nccommish about any of that or this: Barber executed for refusing to give loser a $2 haircut This POS needs to die ASAP. I mean you have to have brain damage not to want this turdlet executed.
No kidding. WE could have wiped out 98 losers in a week or so but some incompetent clowns are ####ified and using every excuse in the book to stop rightful executions of scum.
This facebook live killer is another where I'd be fine getting it all done in 8 hours.
I think many of those against the death penalty are so because you cant trust that the system doesnt wrongly convict someone.
I'm a Christian. I recall reading something about "eye for an eye" in the New Testament.
You know, if you can convince me you would get the death penalty for speeding, I might get on board.
Wait... you aren't Babylonian !???IvanKaramazov said:
Dead. Dead. Dead.
I'm not against the death penalty to preserve a criminals life. I am against giving the state the power to take peoples life.
I used to be for the death penalty but as I age I find myself moving in the other direction.
this has to be what they're talking about costing "twice as much to execute him" - only came 30 years too late.HUNTSVILLE, Texas (AP) — Texas executed on Tuesday a man convicted of the 1987 killings of a father and his infant son and who three years later at his capital murder trial grabbed a loaded gun from a drawer in the courtroom and tried to attack the judge.
James Bigby, 61, became the fourth inmate in Texas and the sixth nationally to be executed by injection this year.
Strapped to the death chamber gurney, Bigby looked directly at six relatives of his victims watching through a window a few feet from him and repeatedly said he was sorry.
"I hope this will bring you peace and I'm sorry for all the pain and suffering," he told them, his voice cracking at times. "I hope that you could forgive me, but if you don't, I understand. I don't think I could forgive anyone who would have killed my children."
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Bigby was condemned for the fatal shooting of Michael Trekell, 26, and suffocation of Trekell's 4-month-old son, Jayson, at their home in Arlington on Christmas Eve 1987. Evidence showed Bigby also was accused but not tried for killing two other men,
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Bigby was arrested after a police standoff days after the killings, telling a SWAT officer in Fort Worth, "I know I am guilty, and so do you."
http://www.wapt.com/article/boy-inside-car-kidnapped-during-auto-theft/9871713
I don't think appealing to emotion is the best way to make a decision on whether the death penalty should exist.
Nothing better than executing 100% guilty losers.
