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Congo soldiers explain why they rape

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this is a clip form a documentary called The Greatest Silence: Rape in the Congo.

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So without watching the video should we agree or disagree with them?

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Is it because they're ####ing ###holes?

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Is it because they're ####ing ###holes?

Apparently it's because they're really damn stupid ####ing ###holes.

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savages

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No oil, no care. I believe that is the answer given most frequently about any conflict in Africa.

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why aren't we helping those people? (the victims obviously)

There's no profit in it.

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Those women have nothing to worry about. Any minute now Team America will be swooping in there to protect and promote the cause of freedom.

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These guys don't know why they're doing what they're doing; they're just making #### up.

They're victims of war, like any of us would be. Don't think for a second that you have a greater moral fabric than these guys. We are quite privileged to never be in situations like these.

this remind me of a story I read in the chicago trib this week. it was about a man who was using child porn to prevent himself from killing his wife and daughter. Then I read a bit more and saw he suffered from post-traumatic stress disorder after his military service in the Middle East.

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These guys don't know why they're doing what they're doing; they're just making #### up.

They're victims of war, like any of us would be. Don't think for a second that you have a greater moral fabric than these guys. We are quite privileged to never be in situations like these.

this remind me of a story I read in the chicago trib this week. it was about a man who was using child porn to prevent himself from killing his wife and daughter. Then I read a bit more and saw he suffered from post-traumatic stress disorder after his military service in the Middle East.

Are you trying to argue that their immorality is due to circumstances beyond their control or that they have similar morals as most of us here? An argument can be made for the former, the latter is absurd. I'm pretty sure most of us aren't rapists.

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These guys don't know why they're doing what they're doing; they're just making #### up.

They're victims of war, like any of us would be. Don't think for a second that you have a greater moral fabric than these guys. We are quite privileged to never be in situations like these.

this remind me of a story I read in the chicago trib this week. it was about a man who was using child porn to prevent himself from killing his wife and daughter. Then I read a bit more and saw he suffered from post-traumatic stress disorder after his military service in the Middle East.

Are you trying to argue that their immorality is due to circumstances beyond their control or that they have similar morals as most of us here? An argument can be made for the former, the latter is absurd. I'm pretty sure most of us aren't rapists.

their immorality is due to circumstances beyond their control.

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Under conditions of terror most people will comply but some people will not(they call them the dead).

The idea is that, while they are responsible, it isn't really their fault.

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These guys don't know why they're doing what they're doing; they're just making #### up.

They're victims of war, like any of us would be. Don't think for a second that you have a greater moral fabric than these guys. We are quite privileged to never be in situations like these.

this remind me of a story I read in the chicago trib this week. it was about a man who was using child porn to prevent himself from killing his wife and daughter. Then I read a bit more and saw he suffered from post-traumatic stress disorder after his military service in the Middle East.

Are you trying to argue that their immorality is due to circumstances beyond their control or that they have similar morals as most of us here? An argument can be made for the former, the latter is absurd. I'm pretty sure most of us aren't rapists.

Most of us didn't grow up completely uneducated in the Congo, likely without parents, and hired into the military as a child.

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These guys don't know why they're doing what they're doing; they're just making #### up.

They're victims of war, like any of us would be. Don't think for a second that you have a greater moral fabric than these guys. We are quite privileged to never be in situations like these.

this remind me of a story I read in the chicago trib this week. it was about a man who was using child porn to prevent himself from killing his wife and daughter. Then I read a bit more and saw he suffered from post-traumatic stress disorder after his military service in the Middle East.

Are you trying to argue that their immorality is due to circumstances beyond their control or that they have similar morals as most of us here? An argument can be made for the former, the latter is absurd. I'm pretty sure most of us aren't rapists.

their immorality is due to circumstances beyond their control.

ETA:

Under conditions of terror most people will comply but some people will not(they call them the dead).

The idea is that, while they are responsible, it isn't really their fault.

Most of them seem to know that rape is wrong, which is why they said they would kill anyone who raped their own sister/wife/mother.

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These guys don't know why they're doing what they're doing; they're just making #### up.

They're victims of war, like any of us would be. Don't think for a second that you have a greater moral fabric than these guys. We are quite privileged to never be in situations like these.

this remind me of a story I read in the chicago trib this week. it was about a man who was using child porn to prevent himself from killing his wife and daughter. Then I read a bit more and saw he suffered from post-traumatic stress disorder after his military service in the Middle East.

Are you trying to argue that their immorality is due to circumstances beyond their control or that they have similar morals as most of us here? An argument can be made for the former, the latter is absurd. I'm pretty sure most of us aren't rapists.

their immorality is due to circumstances beyond their control.

ETA:

Under conditions of terror most people will comply but some people will not(they call them the dead).

The idea is that, while they are responsible, it isn't really their fault.

Most of them seem to know that rape is wrong, which is why they said they would kill anyone who raped their own sister/wife/mother.
That doesn't mean they realize it's not okay for them to rape someone else.

I'm sure if you asked a serial rapist how he'd feel if you raped his mother/sister he'd be pretty pissed about it.

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These guys don't know why they're doing what they're doing; they're just making #### up.

They're victims of war, like any of us would be. Don't think for a second that you have a greater moral fabric than these guys. We are quite privileged to never be in situations like these.

this remind me of a story I read in the chicago trib this week. it was about a man who was using child porn to prevent himself from killing his wife and daughter. Then I read a bit more and saw he suffered from post-traumatic stress disorder after his military service in the Middle East.

Are you trying to argue that their immorality is due to circumstances beyond their control or that they have similar morals as most of us here? An argument can be made for the former, the latter is absurd. I'm pretty sure most of us aren't rapists.

their immorality is due to circumstances beyond their control.

ETA:

Under conditions of terror most people will comply but some people will not(they call them the dead).

The idea is that, while they are responsible, it isn't really their fault.

Most of them seem to know that rape is wrong, which is why they said they would kill anyone who raped their own sister/wife/mother.
what about the one's using the old magic potion defense
That's their justification for it. The point is they still know that it's wrong. Just because they decide to do it anyway because of the magic potion doesn't mean they're incapable of understanding the immortality of what they're doing.

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These guys don't know why they're doing what they're doing; they're just making #### up.

They're victims of war, like any of us would be. Don't think for a second that you have a greater moral fabric than these guys. We are quite privileged to never be in situations like these.

this remind me of a story I read in the chicago trib this week. it was about a man who was using child porn to prevent himself from killing his wife and daughter. Then I read a bit more and saw he suffered from post-traumatic stress disorder after his military service in the Middle East.

Are you trying to argue that their immorality is due to circumstances beyond their control or that they have similar morals as most of us here? An argument can be made for the former, the latter is absurd. I'm pretty sure most of us aren't rapists.

their immorality is due to circumstances beyond their control.

ETA:

Under conditions of terror most people will comply but some people will not(they call them the dead).

The idea is that, while they are responsible, it isn't really their fault.

Most of them seem to know that rape is wrong, which is why they said they would kill anyone who raped their own sister/wife/mother.
what about the one's using the old magic potion defense
That's their justification for it. The point is they still know that it's wrong. Just because they decide to do it anyway because of the magic potion doesn't mean they're incapable of understanding the immortality of what they're doing.

sorry I eddied while you were replying.

That doesn't mean they realize it's not okay for them to rape someone else.

I'm sure if you asked a serial rapist how he'd feel if you raped his mother/sister he'd be pretty pissed about it.

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These guys don't know why they're doing what they're doing; they're just making #### up.

They're victims of war, like any of us would be. Don't think for a second that you have a greater moral fabric than these guys. We are quite privileged to never be in situations like these.

this remind me of a story I read in the chicago trib this week. it was about a man who was using child porn to prevent himself from killing his wife and daughter. Then I read a bit more and saw he suffered from post-traumatic stress disorder after his military service in the Middle East.

Are you trying to argue that their immorality is due to circumstances beyond their control or that they have similar morals as most of us here? An argument can be made for the former, the latter is absurd. I'm pretty sure most of us aren't rapists.

their immorality is due to circumstances beyond their control.

ETA:

Under conditions of terror most people will comply but some people will not(they call them the dead).

The idea is that, while they are responsible, it isn't really their fault.

We didn't accept that explanation from the Nazis.

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Those women have nothing to worry about. Any minute now Team America will be swooping in there to protect and promote the cause of freedom.

This post is terrible in a number of ways. :thumbdown:

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This all makes me wonder who committed more rapes:

- Arab slave traders immediately after Mohammed

- Vikings from 8th to 11th century AD

- Barbary pirates from 16th to 18th century AD

- Southern plantation owners and foremen before 1865

- Japan during WWII

- German troops on the eastern front during WWII

- German troops in Poland during WWII

- Soviet Red Army in Poland at the end of WWII

- French troops in China after the Boxer Rebellion

- French Moroccan troops in Italy after the Battle of Monte Cassino

- U.S. soldiers in France after June 1944

- U.S. soldiers after liberation of Okinawa

- Australian troops in Japan after WWII

- Pakistani troops in Bangladesh in 1971

- Iraqi troops on Kuwaiti women in 1990

- Serb forces during the Bosnian war

- Troops anywhere in the Congo from 1996 to present

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This all makes me wonder who committed more rapes:- Arab slave traders immediately after Mohammed - Vikings from 8th to 11th century AD- Barbary pirates from 16th to 18th century AD- Southern plantation owners and foremen before 1865- Japan during WWII- German troops on the eastern front during WWII- German troops in Poland during WWII- Soviet Red Army in Poland at the end of WWII- French troops in China after the Boxer Rebellion- French Moroccan troops in Italy after the Battle of Monte Cassino- U.S. soldiers in France after June 1944- U.S. soldiers after liberation of Okinawa- Australian troops in Japan after WWII- Pakistani troops in Bangladesh in 1971- Iraqi troops on Kuwaiti women in 1990- Serb forces during the Bosnian war- Troops anywhere in the Congo from 1996 to present

You left out Sudan and Soviets troops about ten different places. I'm sure U.S. troops committed rapes in France and Okinawa and in every conflict on foreign soil, but to lump them in with some of these others is unfair. If I had to list one event it wouldn't be France or Okinawa, but in Germany in the final weeks of the war (which I think went largely unreported due to the circumstances). But I don't think they are comparable to Soviet troops or really any other you listed above, U.S. troops have always been known more for killing surrendering forces than rape.

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Those women have nothing to worry about. Any minute now Team America will be swooping in there to protect and promote the cause of freedom.

This post is terrible in a number of ways. :thumbdown:
Thanks! From crappy movie references to vague cynicism, I thought it was a nice effort. I could have tossed in some raving conspiracy theory, but I didn't want to upset the terse effect.

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These guys don't know why they're doing what they're doing; they're just making #### up.

They're victims of war, like any of us would be. Don't think for a second that you have a greater moral fabric than these guys. We are quite privileged to never be in situations like these.

this remind me of a story I read in the chicago trib this week. it was about a man who was using child porn to prevent himself from killing his wife and daughter. Then I read a bit more and saw he suffered from post-traumatic stress disorder after his military service in the Middle East.

Are you trying to argue that their immorality is due to circumstances beyond their control or that they have similar morals as most of us here? An argument can be made for the former, the latter is absurd. I'm pretty sure most of us aren't rapists.

their immorality is due to circumstances beyond their control.

ETA:

Under conditions of terror most people will comply but some people will not(they call them the dead).

The idea is that, while they are responsible, it isn't really their fault.

We didn't accept that explanation from the Nazis.
you do know what responsible means right?

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I think if I was a woman reporter, I wouldn't be interviewing serial rapists in the Congo even if Rambo was guarding me. Cheers to her and her giant balls.

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These guys don't know why they're doing what they're doing; they're just making #### up.

They're victims of war, like any of us would be. Don't think for a second that you have a greater moral fabric than these guys. We are quite privileged to never be in situations like these.

this remind me of a story I read in the chicago trib this week. it was about a man who was using child porn to prevent himself from killing his wife and daughter. Then I read a bit more and saw he suffered from post-traumatic stress disorder after his military service in the Middle East.

Are you trying to argue that their immorality is due to circumstances beyond their control or that they have similar morals as most of us here? An argument can be made for the former, the latter is absurd. I'm pretty sure most of us aren't rapists.

their immorality is due to circumstances beyond their control.

ETA:

Under conditions of terror most people will comply but some people will not(they call them the dead).

The idea is that, while they are responsible, it isn't really their fault.

We didn't accept that explanation from the Nazis.
And we shouldn't now. It's a slippery slope that leads to absolution of any crime. They know it's wrong and can stop at any time. They don't because they ENJOY IT and literally do not care if they hurt others. Flamethrower material regardless of any past trauma. If I was a serial rapist i would be too

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This all makes me wonder who committed more rapes:- Arab slave traders immediately after Mohammed - Vikings from 8th to 11th century AD- Barbary pirates from 16th to 18th century AD- Southern plantation owners and foremen before 1865- Japan during WWII- German troops on the eastern front during WWII- German troops in Poland during WWII- Soviet Red Army in Poland at the end of WWII- French troops in China after the Boxer Rebellion- French Moroccan troops in Italy after the Battle of Monte Cassino- U.S. soldiers in France after June 1944- U.S. soldiers after liberation of Okinawa- Australian troops in Japan after WWII- Pakistani troops in Bangladesh in 1971- Iraqi troops on Kuwaiti women in 1990- Serb forces during the Bosnian war- Troops anywhere in the Congo from 1996 to present

Also blackwater in Iraq as well as us soldiers in Iraq. We like to try and forget this ####.

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This all makes me wonder who committed more rapes:- Arab slave traders immediately after Mohammed - Vikings from 8th to 11th century AD- Barbary pirates from 16th to 18th century AD- Southern plantation owners and foremen before 1865- Japan during WWII- German troops on the eastern front during WWII- German troops in Poland during WWII- Soviet Red Army in Poland at the end of WWII- French troops in China after the Boxer Rebellion- French Moroccan troops in Italy after the Battle of Monte Cassino- U.S. soldiers in France after June 1944- U.S. soldiers after liberation of Okinawa- Australian troops in Japan after WWII- Pakistani troops in Bangladesh in 1971- Iraqi troops on Kuwaiti women in 1990- Serb forces during the Bosnian war- Troops anywhere in the Congo from 1996 to present

Also blackwater in Iraq as well as us soldiers in Iraq. We like to try and forget this ####.
I think it's Japan for the win if you include every time a "Comfort Woman" was raped by a soldier.ETA: Not nearly enough Australians, Kuwaitis, French Moroccans, or Blackwater operatives to be considered for this list.

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