TheAristocrat
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Whomever is buying this dog, why don't you just give me your money and in ten weeks I'll give you half of it back?
Give me your money and I'll give 49.5% to Aristocrat and 49.5% back to you in ten weeks.Whomever is buying this dog, why don't you just give me your money and in ten weeks I'll give you half of it back?
Because, this is not about giving money away. It is about small losses for potentially larger returns. I have no problem risking $35K of a $100K investment if the upside is worth the risk. Sure 35% could seem like a large amount, but if it is only a sliver of a portfolio is it not worth the risk?Large tech companies have not disappointing me this decade. GOOG, EMC, IBM, and AAPL have all performed great for me. Sure, there have been a few missteps or early sells, but I got lucky moving out of energy into tech at the right time. FB might in the end prove to be a loser, but a small risk for such a powerhouse is worth it. I think this stock will perform very well long term.Whomever is buying this dog, why don't you just give me your money and in ten weeks I'll give you half of it back?
I wager that my investment "opportunity" is a better offer.I wish you the best of luck. I'm thinking that a 25% loss might be the best return you could expect from FB (if you bought in the $30s). There's a myriad of issues on the horizon that doom this stock. Not that it won't EVER be a good investment, its just so far from it right now that I do not see the value.Just one flawed man's opinion.Because, this is not about giving money away. It is about small losses for potentially larger returns. I have no problem risking $35K of a $100K investment if the upside is worth the risk. Sure 35% could seem like a large amount, but if it is only a sliver of a portfolio is it not worth the risk?Large tech companies have not disappointing me this decade. GOOG, EMC, IBM, and AAPL have all performed great for me. Sure, there have been a few missteps or early sells, but I got lucky moving out of energy into tech at the right time. FB might in the end prove to be a loser, but a small risk for such a powerhouse is worth it. I think this stock will perform very well long term.Whomever is buying this dog, why don't you just give me your money and in ten weeks I'll give you half of it back?
I don't claim to not be flawed either and I don't wave my opinions around like I do. But I am okay losing on this long term, because I think it will be fine, long term. That is why I bought at 38, 33.50, 28.75 and will probably also buy at 24, 20 and 16 if it keep dropping. It will find a point of stability and eventually rise, my view is that it will perform well over time.I wager that my investment "opportunity" is a better offer.I wish you the best of luck. I'm thinking that a 25% loss might be the best return you could expect from FB (if you bought in the $30s). There's a myriad of issues on the horizon that doom this stock. Not that it won't EVER be a good investment, its just so far from it right now that I do not see the value.Just one flawed man's opinion.Because, this is not about giving money away. It is about small losses for potentially larger returns. I have no problem risking $35K of a $100K investment if the upside is worth the risk. Sure 35% could seem like a large amount, but if it is only a sliver of a portfolio is it not worth the risk?Large tech companies have not disappointing me this decade. GOOG, EMC, IBM, and AAPL have all performed great for me. Sure, there have been a few missteps or early sells, but I got lucky moving out of energy into tech at the right time. FB might in the end prove to be a loser, but a small risk for such a powerhouse is worth it. I think this stock will perform very well long term.Whomever is buying this dog, why don't you just give me your money and in ten weeks I'll give you half of it back?
If it gets in the teens, I'll take a shot.ETAAlso, the hourly radio news reports what FB stock is doing every hour, on the hour. Stop it.Today's the first day options are available. It'll hit the teens before it gets close to hitting $40.FB trading down this morning and hovering around $30. Headed for the $20's or bounce back?
"One flawed man's opinion" wasn't a shot at you in the least. I like making fun of myself and it wasn't meant in any other way.But like I said above, I do wish you the best. I'd rather you make boatloads and rub that in my face later in this thread. :cheers:I don't claim to not be flawed either and I don't wave my opinions around like I do. But I am okay losing on this long term, because I think it will be fine, long term. That is why I bought at 38, 33.50, 28.75 and will probably also buy at 24, 20 and 16 if it keep dropping. It will find a point of stability and eventually rise, my view is that it will perform well over time.I wager that my investment "opportunity" is a better offer.I wish you the best of luck. I'm thinking that a 25% loss might be the best return you could expect from FB (if you bought in the $30s). There's a myriad of issues on the horizon that doom this stock. Not that it won't EVER be a good investment, its just so far from it right now that I do not see the value.Just one flawed man's opinion.Because, this is not about giving money away. It is about small losses for potentially larger returns. I have no problem risking $35K of a $100K investment if the upside is worth the risk. Sure 35% could seem like a large amount, but if it is only a sliver of a portfolio is it not worth the risk?Large tech companies have not disappointing me this decade. GOOG, EMC, IBM, and AAPL have all performed great for me. Sure, there have been a few missteps or early sells, but I got lucky moving out of energy into tech at the right time. FB might in the end prove to be a loser, but a small risk for such a powerhouse is worth it. I think this stock will perform very well long term.Whomever is buying this dog, why don't you just give me your money and in ten weeks I'll give you half of it back?
Sorry, I didn't mean to imply that it was, I knew what you meant."One flawed man's opinion" wasn't a shot at you in the least. I like making fun of myself and it wasn't meant in any other way.But like I said above, I do wish you the best. I'd rather you make boatloads and rub that in my face later in this thread. :cheers:I don't claim to not be flawed either and I don't wave my opinions around like I do. But I am okay losing on this long term, because I think it will be fine, long term. That is why I bought at 38, 33.50, 28.75 and will probably also buy at 24, 20 and 16 if it keep dropping. It will find a point of stability and eventually rise, my view is that it will perform well over time.I wager that my investment "opportunity" is a better offer.I wish you the best of luck. I'm thinking that a 25% loss might be the best return you could expect from FB (if you bought in the $30s). There's a myriad of issues on the horizon that doom this stock. Not that it won't EVER be a good investment, its just so far from it right now that I do not see the value.Just one flawed man's opinion.Because, this is not about giving money away. It is about small losses for potentially larger returns. I have no problem risking $35K of a $100K investment if the upside is worth the risk. Sure 35% could seem like a large amount, but if it is only a sliver of a portfolio is it not worth the risk?Large tech companies have not disappointing me this decade. GOOG, EMC, IBM, and AAPL have all performed great for me. Sure, there have been a few missteps or early sells, but I got lucky moving out of energy into tech at the right time. FB might in the end prove to be a loser, but a small risk for such a powerhouse is worth it. I think this stock will perform very well long term.Whomever is buying this dog, why don't you just give me your money and in ten weeks I'll give you half of it back?
It IS interesting that FB is basically holding steady (+.06 when i last checked) when both the Dow and the Nasdaq are trending down. I'm not sure how to interpret that, quite honestly. That said, I still think that it will end the day lower than it started.is this the first day the stock didn't take a huge dump at open? Some hope?
Doesn't this type of analysis ignore opportunity costs? Like the fact that had you waited to buy at 28 instead of 38, 33, and 29, you'd be able to purchase an additional ~ 20% stake with the same 100k investment? Obviously hindsight is 20/20, but isn't it better to just say "Yeah, hopefully I'll be okay long term but I sure wish I had waited 2 weeks" instead of rationalizing poor timing?I don't claim to not be flawed either and I don't wave my opinions around like I do. But I am okay losing on this long term, because I think it will be fine, long term. That is why I bought at 38, 33.50, 28.75 and will probably also buy at 24, 20 and 16 if it keep dropping. It will find a point of stability and eventually rise, my view is that it will perform well over time.I wager that my investment "opportunity" is a better offer.I wish you the best of luck. I'm thinking that a 25% loss might be the best return you could expect from FB (if you bought in the $30s). There's a myriad of issues on the horizon that doom this stock. Not that it won't EVER be a good investment, its just so far from it right now that I do not see the value.Just one flawed man's opinion.Because, this is not about giving money away. It is about small losses for potentially larger returns. I have no problem risking $35K of a $100K investment if the upside is worth the risk. Sure 35% could seem like a large amount, but if it is only a sliver of a portfolio is it not worth the risk?Large tech companies have not disappointing me this decade. GOOG, EMC, IBM, and AAPL have all performed great for me. Sure, there have been a few missteps or early sells, but I got lucky moving out of energy into tech at the right time. FB might in the end prove to be a loser, but a small risk for such a powerhouse is worth it. I think this stock will perform very well long term.Whomever is buying this dog, why don't you just give me your money and in ten weeks I'll give you half of it back?
CrapOnChest.Com was a bust. I don't even know if that company is still around.What's the worst IPO performance of all-time?i mean i guess $FB isn't as bad as $GRPN yet, but it's still pretty bad for just a couple weeks.
TheDentist would know.CrapOnChest.Com was a bust. I don't even know if that company is still around.What's the worst IPO performance of all-time?i mean i guess $FB isn't as bad as $GRPN yet, but it's still pretty bad for just a couple weeks.
He is not just the President, he is a customer.TheDentist would know.CrapOnChest.Com was a bust. I don't even know if that company is still around.What's the worst IPO performance of all-time?i mean i guess $FB isn't as bad as $GRPN yet, but it's still pretty bad for just a couple weeks.
thanks - cool listTop 5 and Worst 5 IPOs since 2000
Worst
1. MF Global Holdings -99.2% since IPO
2. Semiconductor Man. Corp (SMI) -86.3%
3. MetroPCS Communications -70.7%
4. Och-Zif Capital -64%
5. Genworth Financial -63.3%
Best
1. CNOOC +1325%
2. MasterCard +971%
3. PetroChina +925%
4. Google +610%
5. ChinaLife +486%
Still hold some of my original Mastercard position. Man what a winner that was. Wonder why Visa isnt performing as wellthanks - cool listTop 5 and Worst 5 IPOs since 2000
Worst
1. MF Global Holdings -99.2% since IPO
2. Semiconductor Man. Corp (SMI) -86.3%
3. MetroPCS Communications -70.7%
4. Och-Zif Capital -64%
5. Genworth Financial -63.3%
Best
1. CNOOC +1325%
2. MasterCard +971%
3. PetroChina +925%
4. Google +610%
5. ChinaLife +486%
i don't think facebook can beat MF global.. did they just come public recently?
2007.thanks - cool listTop 5 and Worst 5 IPOs since 2000
Worst
1. MF Global Holdings -99.2% since IPO
2. Semiconductor Man. Corp (SMI) -86.3%
3. MetroPCS Communications -70.7%
4. Och-Zif Capital -64%
5. Genworth Financial -63.3%
Best
1. CNOOC +1325%
2. MasterCard +971%
3. PetroChina +925%
4. Google +610%
5. ChinaLife +486%
i don't think facebook can beat MF global.. did they just come public recently?
Visa IPO'd at a much higher valuation.Still hold some of my original Mastercard position. Man what a winner that was. Wonder why Visa isnt performing as well
another casualty of John Corzine2007.thanks - cool listTop 5 and Worst 5 IPOs since 2000
Worst
1. MF Global Holdings -99.2% since IPO
2. Semiconductor Man. Corp (SMI) -86.3%
3. MetroPCS Communications -70.7%
4. Och-Zif Capital -64%
5. Genworth Financial -63.3%
Best
1. CNOOC +1325%
2. MasterCard +971%
3. PetroChina +925%
4. Google +610%
5. ChinaLife +486%
i don't think facebook can beat MF global.. did they just come public recently?
I don't view it as rationalizing poor timing, I just would rather spend my work day posting here rather than watching stocks all day ;-)Doesn't this type of analysis ignore opportunity costs? Like the fact that had you waited to buy at 28 instead of 38, 33, and 29, you'd be able to purchase an additional ~ 20% stake with the same 100k investment? Obviously hindsight is 20/20, but isn't it better to just say "Yeah, hopefully I'll be okay long term but I sure wish I had waited 2 weeks" instead of rationalizing poor timing?I don't claim to not be flawed either and I don't wave my opinions around like I do. But I am okay losing on this long term, because I think it will be fine, long term. That is why I bought at 38, 33.50, 28.75 and will probably also buy at 24, 20 and 16 if it keep dropping. It will find a point of stability and eventually rise, my view is that it will perform well over time.I wager that my investment "opportunity" is a better offer.I wish you the best of luck. I'm thinking that a 25% loss might be the best return you could expect from FB (if you bought in the $30s). There's a myriad of issues on the horizon that doom this stock. Not that it won't EVER be a good investment, its just so far from it right now that I do not see the value.Just one flawed man's opinion.Because, this is not about giving money away. It is about small losses for potentially larger returns. I have no problem risking $35K of a $100K investment if the upside is worth the risk. Sure 35% could seem like a large amount, but if it is only a sliver of a portfolio is it not worth the risk?Large tech companies have not disappointing me this decade. GOOG, EMC, IBM, and AAPL have all performed great for me. Sure, there have been a few missteps or early sells, but I got lucky moving out of energy into tech at the right time. FB might in the end prove to be a loser, but a small risk for such a powerhouse is worth it. I think this stock will perform very well long term.Whomever is buying this dog, why don't you just give me your money and in ten weeks I'll give you half of it back?
:mansion:In for 100 $25 puts w. 6/15 expiry for $44
Can you explain how that works? I always struggle to understand puts and short selling.In for 100 $25 puts w. 6/15 expiry for $44
He paid 44 dollars for the right to sell 100 shares of FB at 25 dollars somewhere between now and 6/15.Can you explain how that works? I always struggle to understand puts and short selling.In for 100 $25 puts w. 6/15 expiry for $44
So to break even he needs it to be below 24.56 at some point. Any drop under that represents his profit? And if it doesn't drop he is out $44? He paid 44 dollars for the right to sell 100 shares of FB at 25 dollars somewhere between now and 6/15.Can you explain how that works? I always struggle to understand puts and short selling.In for 100 $25 puts w. 6/15 expiry for $44
yup.So to break even he needs it to be below 24.56 at some point. Any drop under that represents his profit? And if it doesn't drop he is out $44? He paid 44 dollars for the right to sell 100 shares of FB at 25 dollars somewhere between now and 6/15.Can you explain how that works? I always struggle to understand puts and short selling.In for 100 $25 puts w. 6/15 expiry for $44
Man. 27 bucks. /sad trombone
And in the interest of disclosure I bought 150k shares of FB. 50k shares at 33, 50k shares at 31.97 and 50k shares around 32.50. Its a trade, not an investment. Kind of like buying a Mickey Mantle, a Hank Aaron and a Barry Bonds Rookie Card knowing there is a card show in town next week
wow what a nice rally. Loving the volatility on this stock (been able to buy and sell to get good averaging). I still think people are grossly under-estimating the profit potential of a website with 700M+ user accounts. They could become the Streaming giant overnight (or similar). Buying Face.com (Face recognition software) Instagram (pics) and a host of other powerful companies. In 2 years, these prices are going to look EXTREMELY cheap.
Apple is not helping them either. Still no true facebook app they will sign on to. To my knowledge the only one Facebook ever got total control of was WebOs, lol. Google and Apple aren't so stupid to let them basically eat their phones from the inside.wow what a nice rally. Loving the volatility on this stock (been able to buy and sell to get good averaging). I still think people are grossly under-estimating the profit potential of a website with 700M+ user accounts. They could become the Streaming giant overnight (or similar). Buying Face.com (Face recognition software) Instagram (pics) and a host of other powerful companies. In 2 years, these prices are going to look EXTREMELY cheap.the next big frontier is monetizing mobile content. FB acknowledges it has no idea how (or if) it will do that.Yahoo------->Google--------->Facebook--------->?Yahoo won the battle as the top portal site, but could not match Google into the next phase of the internet - search, and Google has been no match for Facebook when it comes to Social. Its unlikely that any of them will be the dominant player in mobile in the next 5-7 years.
http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-501465_162-57446522-501465/apples-tim-cook-hints-at-facebook-ios-integration/Apple is not helping them either. Still no true facebook app they will sign on to.
I still fail to see what would be in it for Apple to go this route. They lose ecosystem control at the top level which up to this point they've done everything in their power to lock down. They have more money than god, and their users would be better for it to not have FB integration (but they likely don't know this).http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-501465_162-57446522-501465/apples-tim-cook-hints-at-facebook-ios-integration/Apple is not helping them either. Still no true facebook app they will sign on to.
I think the problem is that there isn't anything close to 700 million user accounts.Between duplicate accounts and spam accounts, I'd say at LEAST half of the accounts are fake.wow what a nice rally. Loving the volatility on this stock (been able to buy and sell to get good averaging). I still think people are grossly under-estimating the profit potential of a website with 700M+ user accounts. They could become the Streaming giant overnight (or similar). Buying Face.com (Face recognition software) Instagram (pics) and a host of other powerful companies. In 2 years, these prices are going to look EXTREMELY cheap.
I've always argued this. Don't forget the people who signed up one time to appease a friend or a relative only to never log on again.I think the problem is that there isn't anything close to 700 million user accounts.Between duplicate accounts and spam accounts, I'd say at LEAST half of the accounts are fake.wow what a nice rally. Loving the volatility on this stock (been able to buy and sell to get good averaging). I still think people are grossly under-estimating the profit potential of a website with 700M+ user accounts. They could become the Streaming giant overnight (or similar). Buying Face.com (Face recognition software) Instagram (pics) and a host of other powerful companies. In 2 years, these prices are going to look EXTREMELY cheap.
Apple's #1 fanboy on FB integrationI still fail to see what would be in it for Apple to go this route. They lose ecosystem control at the top level which up to this point they've done everything in their power to lock down. They have more money than god, and their users would be better for it to not have FB integration (but they likely don't know this).http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-501465_162-57446522-501465/apples-tim-cook-hints-at-facebook-ios-integration/Apple is not helping them either. Still no true facebook app they will sign on to.