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This guy just doesn't get it and likely never will until he's out of the league. Million dollar talent, 10 cent head.

The Gordon haters come out in full force any chance they can get.

Curious, where do the Gordon lovers stand? What are the things that you LOVED about Gordon in 2014?

If honest, they will tell you that what they loved about 2014 was his 2013 season...

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This guy just doesn't get it and likely never will until he's out of the league. Million dollar talent, 10 cent head.

The Gordon haters come out in full force any chance they can get.

And what would you call what you do any time anybody dares to question Gordon's character? Hoyer was there last year with Gordon. Gordon has to take some responsibility for this season. His track record has to be factored in. No matter how much you protest it.

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This guy just doesn't get it and likely never will until he's out of the league. Million dollar talent, 10 cent head.

The Gordon haters come out in full force any chance they can get.

In fairness, he gives them a lot of chances. I can't remember the last time the Jordy Nelson haters were out in full force.

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I'm surprised no one has mentioned SF as a trade possibility. They are losing Crabtree, Boldin is older than I am (OK, maybe not...), and Baalke has no head coach to get in his way of bringing in a potential head case / locker room cancer. Baalke thinks he walks on water and would likely see himself as the guy who could 'fix' Gordon's immaturity problems. They have draft picks to deal too.

One thing is as sure as my amazing good looks, and that is Gordon will not be in Cleveland next year.

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when smoking weed is vastly more important than a $100 million dollar NFL career .... that tells you the power of weed and the ignorance of some people

I hope the guy never plays again- that harsh reality might actually sink in and force him into action

That should show him and make us all feel better about ourselves in the process. Good post right here.

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I'm surprised no one has mentioned SF as a trade possibility. They are losing Crabtree, Boldin is older than I am (OK, maybe not...), and Baalke has no head coach to get in his way of bringing in a potential head case / locker room cancer. Baalke thinks he walks on water and would likely see himself as the guy who could 'fix' Gordon's immaturity problems. They have draft picks to deal too.

One thing is as sure as my amazing good looks, and that is Gordon will not be in Cleveland next year.

He cant be on any worse of a team. How is this not a good thing for Gordon and his owners?

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I'm surprised no one has mentioned SF as a trade possibility. They are losing Crabtree, Boldin is older than I am (OK, maybe not...), and Baalke has no head coach to get in his way of bringing in a potential head case / locker room cancer. Baalke thinks he walks on water and would likely see himself as the guy who could 'fix' Gordon's immaturity problems. They have draft picks to deal too.

One thing is as sure as my amazing good looks, and that is Gordon will not be in Cleveland next year.

He cant be on any worse of a team. How is this not a good thing for Gordon and his owners?

Browns are holding him back, huh?

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I'm surprised no one has mentioned SF as a trade possibility. They are losing Crabtree, Boldin is older than I am (OK, maybe not...), and Baalke has no head coach to get in his way of bringing in a potential head case / locker room cancer. Baalke thinks he walks on water and would likely see himself as the guy who could 'fix' Gordon's immaturity problems. They have draft picks to deal too.

One thing is as sure as my amazing good looks, and that is Gordon will not be in Cleveland next year.

He cant be on any worse of a team. How is this not a good thing for Gordon and his owners?

It probably is a good thing. Maybe some team can hire a $50,000/yr full time babysitter for the guy so he shows up for things and stays out of trouble. Since I'm not a believer in Johnny Headcase, probably 3/4 or more of the QB situations he could land in would be better, and a fresh start with an organization who isn't sick of him has to be better.

Let me add that I'm not one of his apoIogists and I think he is likely to fail again, and he's a man child who may never get it. I'm just saying there should be no doubt about whether he's staying or leaving. CLE wants no part of him.

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Maybe some team can hire a $50,000/yr full time babysitter for the guy so he shows up for things and stays out of trouble.

Worked for Dallas with Dez.

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His value is about as low as can be right now. I hope he goes someplace else and pulls a Cris Carter on his career. He can obviously play. He needs to go to a place like Green Bay, New England or New Orleans with strong QB leadership. I think he needs a fresh start far away. Green Bay makes a lot of sense actually. I'm not sure they'd want him though to be quite honest unless they were definitely losing Cobb.

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only 1 person can change Gordon - Gordon

if he likes his weed more than an NFL career - that's his choice

I mean, any of us typing here would have a tough time choosing a huge contract to play in the NFL and smoking weed, right? I mean, its a very hard choice, isn't it ?

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This guy just doesn't get it and likely never will until he's out of the league. Million dollar talent, 10 cent head.

The Gordon haters come out in full force any chance they can get.

I'm far from a hater but I'm not going to make excuses for pure idiocy. I owned him since he came in the league and traded him a couple weeks back. The guy is a pro and has been given multiple chances and he's burning one after another. Not sure how you can view the situation any other way.

Pun intended?

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BTW, Rotoworld really living up to their "good info, horrible editorializing" rep with respect to this whole Browns situation. Here's what they wrote about Manziel:

We can't imagine a worse rookie year for JFF, who lost a camp battle to Brian Hoyer, looked wildly unprepared and overwhelmed in two starts and failed to conduct himself well off the field. The Browns will be on the hunt for quarterback help again this offseason.

Here's what they wrote about Gilbert:

The No. 8 overall pick in May's draft, Gilbert has been a supreme disappointment in his first season in the NFL. He played behind fourth-round CB Pierre Desir in Week 16, and has had his maturity and ability to pick up NFL defenses openly questioned in the media by his teammates. He will be back with Cleveland in 2015, but Gilbert has the early makings of a first-round bust.

OK, got it. When talented players who disappoint on the field also can't keep their lives straight off of it, they're entirely to blame for their own predicament. So surely they'll unload with both barrels on Gordon, right? Or not:

Let the pile-on begin. The Gordon bashers have come out in full force the past month, and it's now coming to a head after the team suspended him for the season finale because he missed Saturday's walkthrough. Words like "former star" and "habitually late" were also mentioned in the CBS piece. The Browns put up with Gordon's problems when he posted one of the best seasons in NFL history last season, but now that their season has collapsed in front of them, it's time to throw blame wherever. And Gordon and Johnny Manziel are the ones receiving it. The Browns have been an historically-bad organization for years now. They'd be dumb to dump Gordon. But it appears a split may be coming.

The thing is, I don't entirely disagree with either analysis. I also don't expect that the same guy writes all of RW's blurbs, and maybe whoever's writing Gordon's has a full-on robot chubby for him (SoulFly? Is that you?) But you'd think there might be one editor there who would flag that and realize they're saying entirely contradictory things.

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I'm surprised no one has mentioned SF as a trade possibility. They are losing Crabtree, Boldin is older than I am (OK, maybe not...), and Baalke has no head coach to get in his way of bringing in a potential head case / locker room cancer. Baalke thinks he walks on water and would likely see himself as the guy who could 'fix' Gordon's immaturity problems. They have draft picks to deal too.

One thing is as sure as my amazing good looks, and that is Gordon will not be in Cleveland next year.

He cant be on any worse of a team. How is this not a good thing for Gordon and his owners?

Browns are holding him back, huh?

I must have missed the memo where the Browns have a great reputation of creating superstar talent.

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Browns are holding themselves back. Terrible franchise. Terrible management. Terrible coach. Hope Crowell is the next to go.

Edited by georg013

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Maybe some team can hire a $50,000/yr full time babysitter for the guy so he shows up for things and stays out of trouble.

Worked for Dallas with Dez.

Yes, the $50,000 a year babysitter will do what a $50,000,000 contract couldn't, keep josh Gordon in line

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This guy just doesn't get it and likely never will until he's out of the league. Million dollar talent, 10 cent head.

The Gordon haters come out in full force any chance they can get.

Really? It's not like Gordon doesn't give them enough ammo.

And what is a Gordon hater? We've seen men throw way their career and waste incredible physical talents because they can't get their head on straight. Things like that get people's attention.

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This guy just doesn't get it and likely never will until he's out of the league. Million dollar talent, 10 cent head.

The Gordon haters come out in full force any chance they can get.

And the apologists never stop making excuses for/defending him :rolleyes:

Minnesota and Norv Turner would take him I bet. ;)

No, thanks.

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This guy just doesn't get it and likely never will until he's out of the league. Million dollar talent, 10 cent head.

The Gordon haters come out in full force any chance they can get.

And the apologists never stop making excuses for/defending him :rolleyes:

Minnesota and Norv Turner would take him I bet. ;)

No, thanks.

Charles Johnson>>Josh Gordon

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Maybe some team can hire a $50,000/yr full time babysitter for the guy so he shows up for things and stays out of trouble.

Worked for Dallas with Dez.

Dez didn't have a smoking problem

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Browns are holding themselves back. Terrible franchise. Terrible management. Terrible coach. Hope Crowell is the next to go.

Please take your Crowell man-love to its proper place.

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This guy just doesn't get it and likely never will until he's out of the league. Million dollar talent, 10 cent head.

The Gordon haters come out in full force any chance they can get.

And the apologists never stop making excuses for/defending him :rolleyes:

Minnesota and Norv Turner would take him I bet. ;)

No, thanks.

Charles Johnson>>Josh Gordon

This one stings the most.

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I'm surprised no one has mentioned SF as a trade possibility. They are losing Crabtree, Boldin is older than I am (OK, maybe not...), and Baalke has no head coach to get in his way of bringing in a potential head case / locker room cancer. Baalke thinks he walks on water and would likely see himself as the guy who could 'fix' Gordon's immaturity problems. They have draft picks to deal too.

One thing is as sure as my amazing good looks, and that is Gordon will not be in Cleveland next year.

He cant be on any worse of a team. How is this not a good thing for Gordon and his owners?

Browns are holding him back, huh?

I must have missed the memo where the Browns have a great reputation of creating superstar talent.

No, you missed the memo where you have to show up to practice to get better.

This would be comical if it weren't so sad. The Browns take a shot on him in the draft, even after all his trouble. The Browns invest the draft pick, give him some money, and put him on the field.

The Browns then stand by him, after he screws up again. All season long, as the passing game falters, partly because the team thought they had a good WR lined up for 2015.

Gordon rewards them for their loyalty by jogging around the field for a few weeks, and then misses a practice.

Yeah, it's the Browns fault.

What a joke.

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Just seen him traded in one of my dynasty leagues.

Gordon, Nicks 2015 1st and 2nd

For

Golden, Montcrief, 2015 3rd and 4th

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Just seen him traded in one of my dynasty leagues.

Gordon, Nicks 2015 1st and 2nd

For

Golden, Montcrief, 2015 3rd and 4th

I'll take the Gordon side. Looks like a sell low to me.

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I should have added the picks since we are done it is 1.08 and 2.08. 3.02 and 4.02

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Rotoworld:

ESPN Cleveland's Tony Grossi senses a "definite feeling" that Josh Gordon won't be back with the Browns in 2015.

The Chronicle-Telegram's Scott Petrak gets the same feeling after Browns GM Ray Farmer's end-of-season press conference Tuesday morning. Grossi went as far to say it may take "only five minutes" into staff meetings next week for the team to decide on Gordon. You'd have to think the Browns will try and trade Gordon before outright waiving him, but a split seems likelier by the day.

Source: Tony Grossi on Twitter

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Rotoworld:

ESPN Cleveland's Tony Grossi senses a "definite feeling" that Josh Gordon won't be back with the Browns in 2015.The Chronicle-Telegram's Scott Petrak gets the same feeling after Browns GM Ray Farmer's end-of-season press conference Tuesday morning. Grossi went as far to say it may take "only five minutes" into staff meetings next week for the team to decide on Gordon. You'd have to think the Browns will try and trade Gordon before outright waiving him, but a split seems likelier by the day.

Source: Tony Grossi on Twitter

This would be big.

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Indy or NE would be PERFECT!

I would think NE would be the best landing point. Does anyone recall Moss in Oakland? In 2003, he had his best season ever with the Vikings, but he had just run over the parking lady and in 2004 he had a mediocre season outside of TDs. Then he got traded to Oakland and flamed out with 60-1005-8 in 16 games and 42-553-3 in 13 games. There was a lot of talk about him quitting on the Raiders before his monster season with NE.

I found one hysterical article about how it was OK that he quit on the Raiders: LINK Love the author, she was the one that wrote the article from Janay Rice "in her own words" trying to setup why Ray hit her. LOL. I guess she is the one you call if you are an athlete and want to do damage control and explain your side of the story after all the bad press.

That said, if NE can do what it did for Moss, then I would think Gordon's best bet is to go there.

Anyone think that Rosehaus staged this to get him elsewhere in 2015 before free agency? Even if he was an UFA after 2015 versus a RFA, anyone think that having Hoyer/Manziel/Rookie as his QB on a run-first team where the coaching staff isn't enamored with him would have hurt his value more than going to a passing team where he could put up closer to 2013 numbers?

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Come to the Eagles. Come to the Eagles. Come to the eagles.

:goodposting:

They hype machine that would bring, if he has a clean off-season, would be unparalleled by even the likes of soulfly.

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He has no loyalty to Cleveland. Hes said as much in interviews speaking to the fact that many players turned their backs on him. Why would he want to stay? For the coach?

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As long as he's not back in Cleveland, Oakland, or Buffalo, I'd say its win win for everyone.

The Raiders would likely give up the highest pick for him.

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As long as he's not back in Cleveland, Oakland, or Buffalo, I'd say its win win for everyone.

The Raiders would likely give up the highest pick for him.

No they wouldn't. Al Davis doesn't live here anymore.

McKenzie has made a point of avoiding character concerns, and has really only brought in good locker room guys and gym rats. The Browns this past year make a great example of what McKenzie is trying to avoid by doing this, and trading a pick, let alone a high one, for such an obvious dips**t is so out of character for this team that I really can't believe they would even have internal discussions about him.

They desperately need a WR, that much is true. And if they traded for Gordon, and he got suspended again, they would STILL desperately need a WR.

Obviously I can't say for sure, just my opinion, but nothing in the actions of the current front office suggest this is a possibility.

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