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WR Josh Gordon, KC (12 Viewers)
- Thread starter Matt Waldman
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43 WR on the week lol it’s the first game of the year and Gordon was used sparingly. Trust me, his incredible TD grab was an indication of what we will see on a regular basis moving forward. By week 3-4, I fully expect him to be a viable fantasy WR2 in all formats
beer 30
Footballguy
Who's throwing him the ball in week 3-4? Because if it's the guy who underthrew him yesterday I'm not that's a viable statement. I'm not sure the rook will do better but I'm pretty sure he won't underthrow one of the best targets in the NFL right now.
matttyl
Footballguy
BassNBrew
Footballguy
They were in my FD lineups (at least Stills) where Gordon didn't appear once. Leaving Gordon on the bench = $$$
ILUVBEER99
Footballguy
Gordon is on pace for 16 catches/272 yards/16 TD's.
If he can keep up this pace he'll be a viable starting FF WR in non-ppr leagues. In PPR leagues barely a WR3-4.
matttyl
Footballguy
I think folks are missing the point I was trying to make. It was one game, where he wasn't suppose to start, in a huge storm with wind and rain, with a defense that was pummeling the QB. He didn't have any decent passes thrown his way - his QB had less than 200 yards passing in a game that went as long as rules will allow...with only 15 completions.
Stuart Ullman
Footballguy
Crappy QB. Rainstorm. Limited reps.
Good chance this is his worst game all year. Once they start getting blown out, wait for Captain Garbage Time to do his thing.
Good chance this is his worst game all year. Once they start getting blown out, wait for Captain Garbage Time to do his thing.
BassNBrew
Footballguy
For those keeping score at home...12, 16, 10, 4, 15, 9 over his last 6 games. That's would have been good for WR40 on a ppg basis last year or tied with Jermaine Kearse who was a free in about half of my leagues last year.
BassNBrew
Footballguy
List of Josh Gordon excuses...
1. His QB sucks. I guess this could be a half dozen excuses if you list each QB.
2. The weather was bad. It was cold. It was windy. The sun was in his eyes.
3. He played a tough D.
4. Cleveland was to competitive, didn't get garbage time points.
5. Coach sucks.
6. His worse game of the year, defiant outlier.
7. QB overthrew him.
8. QB under threw him.
1. His QB sucks. I guess this could be a half dozen excuses if you list each QB.
2. The weather was bad. It was cold. It was windy. The sun was in his eyes.
3. He played a tough D.
4. Cleveland was to competitive, didn't get garbage time points.
5. Coach sucks.
6. His worse game of the year, defiant outlier.
7. QB overthrew him.
8. QB under threw him.
BoltNlava
Footballguy
Can't argue this ...Not at all . But it's not about that. It's about belief and hope and when you took him in the 5-6 round you were hoping. He gets a pass first week..the next two will show if Gordonism ..is real or not. Some feel the chocolate factory is not that far away.
BassNBrew
Footballguy
I'm with you. I moved up to secure him at the 4/5 turn. That said, I benched him this week for Aghorlor and the 4.8 difference in scoring this week will net me two additional wins that would have been losses in the IBL where we play 7 games each week. Won 2 games 111 to 107. Learned last year that benching Gordon = wins.
BoltNlava
Footballguy
It's a new year and a "new" Gordon....His leash is short..for me anyways..I have noted your input.
BoltNlava
Footballguy
1st game was a wtf? with the weather ...gotta see a level playing field before saying.
Dr. Octopus
Footballguy
9. Was too busy posting under his Soulfly3 handle on FBGs to properly study the playbook.
Insein
Footballguy
It doesn't matter much because he barely played but why is Hue so upset that he started?
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beer 30
Footballguy
Because for the week leading up to the game Hue was adamant that Gordon would not start then WALA! he's out there for the first play unbeknownst to Hue. Makes Hue look like a bigger ### than usual and makes Todd Haley look like he's going behind Hue's back. According to Hue they talked, worked it out and moved on.
Chaka
Footballguy
There are still two games yet to be played so that will likely change.
How many of the 42 in front of him were in starting lineups this week? How many who finished behind him were?
It's easy to view starting him as a mistake through the lens of total points scored but that makes it seem like magic Football is a game of complete information.
Anyone start Dante Pettis over Gordon? If so you hit an inside straight on the river. Congrats. Anyone bench him for Baldwin, Hogan or Corey Davis? Oops.
jvdesigns2002
Footballguy
He didn’t “barely” play. He played 69 of 89 snaps. He was on the field for 78% of his teams snaps. His usage was not a problem, his lack of chemistry and effectiveness were.
jvdesigns2002
Footballguy
I dunno man. Other freak wrs find ways to be effective with garbage QB play. Juju put stats up yesterday with Big Ben playing far worse than tyrod. Watkins did decent with tyrod in buffalo. Larry Fitzgerald manages to put his stamp on a game regardless of who throws him the ball. Yes- better qb play would certainly help but let’s not bend over backwards to make every excuse for this dude. A player with his skills cannot disappear for like 58-59 minutes of a 60 minute game.
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Agree.
He got through the game unscathed.
And now he gets to face the NO pass D that made Fitzy look like A. Rodgers.
If Gordon isn't unleashed and effective next week, well, then I will be chicken little.
Chaka
Footballguy
BoltNlava
Footballguy
JoeSteeler
Footballguy
according to the Browns beat reporter today on the local Cleveland sports station, the Browns only want to play Mayfield if TT gets hurt.
Chaka
Footballguy
Not sure, it happens. But counting on them giving up 48 points and a million yards per week is a mistake. Just like I wouldn't count on Fitzpatrick to be anything other than he has been for his entire career and I wouldn't count on Baltimore scoring 47 points and Flacco throwing three TDs every week.
BassNBrew
Footballguy
BoltNlava
Footballguy
Then what's the difference? Coaching ? Culture? ...Gotta be something ..Right? BB pulls it off with less almost every year. Not that I'm a PAT honk. far from it.
BassNBrew
Footballguy
BoltNlava
Footballguy
Chaka
Footballguy
BoltNlava
Footballguy
I get it but not enough for me the question still looms ....the chargers start out slow every year as well....no matter who is leading...wtf? every game counts last I checked.
rockaction
Footballguy
Yep. For weed, no less.
I wouldn't buy the B'More offense or bet against NO on defense. The numbers last year and the turnover don't speak to it. It could indeed happen, but I doubt it.
Cowboysfan8
Footballguy
Dude. It's the NFL. Chit happens. There are no guarantees or certainties. Well, other than NE winning the AFC East. Random, bizarre, inexplicable stuff happens every week. There's really nothing more to it, than that.
Chaka
Footballguy
beer 30
Footballguy
He set the world on fire in 2013 with Brandon Weedan, Jason Campbell & Brian Hoyer throwing to him. Bad QB play is not his problem right now.
He was a square peg in a round hole this week. Now that we've gotten past the "he won't start, he's on a pitch count BS" and he becomes more familiar with Tyrod I expect his numbers/looks to improve but you gotta remember, Jarvis Landry is like a security blanket for Tyrod and who he has worked with over the last 5 months. Gonna take a little bit to develop that rapport with Gordon. I'd force at least 5-7 balls his way every game regardless. Just throw it up there, he's going to come down with 3/4's of them.
rockaction
Footballguy
The only opponent that can cover Gordon consistently is his own teammates' trust in where he'll be on the field. If you're not looking someone's way, might as well chalk it up to blanket coverage.
This isn't an excuse. One knew this was one of the risks of drafting Gordon while he was missing camp.
No MOOD can overcome a connection with a timing teammate.
Dr. Octopus
Footballguy
It's the NFL - these things happen. Sam Bradford lit the Saints up in Week 1 last season also and then they went on to be one of the best Ds in the league against the pass.
Dr. Octopus
Footballguy
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
No, first he wasn't cleared by the league. Then once reinstated I think he took himself out for "personal reasons".
He wasn't playing in the preseason for the same.
Chaka
Footballguy
That was the training camp thing that the league allegedly had to clear him for. He played the last five games last season and AFAIK he participated in OTAs and off season activities. Was there an incident between the end of last season and training camp?
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
I thought I’d read he was missing camp this year.
found it:
https://www.si.com/nfl/2018/07/23/browns-josh-gordon-missing-training-camp
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