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benson_will_lead_the_way
Footballguy
Jeffery just boxed out Denard Jackson, drew a Pass Interference call with him drapped on his back, and caught the ball.
Next play Jeffery caught a pass between 3 defenders, runs around them for a 34 yard gain.
Next play Jeffery caught a pass between 3 defenders, runs around them for a 34 yard gain.
2 nice grabs in the current drive for about 40.I checked out the first game, grabbed 4 of 5 targets for 35 yards. I'm afraid of him being on a limited snap count for the bad wr's the bears have not gotten over. Logic would say start Marshall/Jeffry with Sanzenbacher in the slot, that would have been nice to see along with Olsen at TE.Caught the only pass thrown his way...20 yard skinny post down to the 1 yardline.Looks good
Xue
Footballguy
Kellen Davis.I checked out the first game, grabbed 4 of 5 targets for 35 yards. I'm afraid of him being on a limited snap count for the bad wr's the bears have not gotten over. Logic would say start Marshall/Jeffry with Sanzenbacher in the slot, that would have been nice to see along with Olsen at TE.Caught the only pass thrown his way...20 yard skinny post down to the 1 yardline.Looks good
ShaHBucks
Footballguy
No I really meant Olsen hypothetically.Kellen Davis.I checked out the first game, grabbed 4 of 5 targets for 35 yards. I'm afraid of him being on a limited snap count for the bad wr's the bears have not gotten over. Logic would say start Marshall/Jeffry with Sanzenbacher in the slot, that would have been nice to see along with Olsen at TE.Caught the only pass thrown his way...20 yard skinny post down to the 1 yardline.Looks good
candymanvandyfan
Footballguy
Sanzenbacher may not make the team. Marshall, Jeffrey, Bennett, Hester, Weems, and then it's probably Sanzenbacher or Davis or a flyer.A secondary key to the season will be getting Jeffrey out there instead of Hester. Jeffrey is a stud, has hands for days, is strong in the air, and uses his body well to ensure he has a chance to receive the ball. Hester has no idea what to do unless he is wide open with no one around him. It's like he never played the position before he got to the bears. A strong wind displaces him in the air.I checked out the first game, grabbed 4 of 5 targets for 35 yards. I'm afraid of him being on a limited snap count for the bad wr's the bears have not gotten over. Logic would say start Marshall/Jeffry with Sanzenbacher in the slot, that would have been nice to see along with Olsen at TE.Caught the only pass thrown his way...20 yard skinny post down to the 1 yardline.Looks good
ShaHBucks
Footballguy
Sanzenbacher is a better slot than Bennett. The're paying Bennett so he's going to play.Sanzenbacher may not make the team. Marshall, Jeffrey, Bennett, Hester, Weems, and then it's probably Sanzenbacher or Davis or a flyer.A secondary key to the season will be getting Jeffrey out there instead of Hester. Jeffrey is a stud, has hands for days, is strong in the air, and uses his body well to ensure he has a chance to receive the ball. Hester has no idea what to do unless he is wide open with no one around him. It's like he never played the position before he got to the bears. A strong wind displaces him in the air.I checked out the first game, grabbed 4 of 5 targets for 35 yards. I'm afraid of him being on a limited snap count for the bad wr's the bears have not gotten over. Logic would say start Marshall/Jeffry with Sanzenbacher in the slot, that would have been nice to see along with Olsen at TE.Caught the only pass thrown his way...20 yard skinny post down to the 1 yardline.Looks good
Xue
Footballguy
Sanzenbacher has horrible hands for a slot WR: http://www.profootballfocus.com/blog/2012/01/17/drop-rate-2011-which-receivers-are-dropping-the-ball/I don't know where Earl Bennett ranks in 2011, but in 2010 he had ZERO drops: http://www.profootballfocus.com/blog/2011/05/23/drop-percentage/Sanzenbacher is a better slot than Bennett. The're paying Bennett so he's going to play.Sanzenbacher may not make the team. Marshall, Jeffrey, Bennett, Hester, Weems, and then it's probably Sanzenbacher or Davis or a flyer.I checked out the first game, grabbed 4 of 5 targets for 35 yards. I'm afraid of him being on a limited snap count for the bad wr's the bears have not gotten over. Logic would say start Marshall/Jeffry with Sanzenbacher in the slot, that would have been nice to see along with Olsen at TE.Caught the only pass thrown his way...20 yard skinny post down to the 1 yardline.Looks good
A secondary key to the season will be getting Jeffrey out there instead of Hester. Jeffrey is a stud, has hands for days, is strong in the air, and uses his body well to ensure he has a chance to receive the ball. Hester has no idea what to do unless he is wide open with no one around him. It's like he never played the position before he got to the bears. A strong wind displaces him in the air.
Clifford
Footballguy
What we are likely to see this year is a rotation of Hester and Jeffrey opposite Marshall, with Bennet manning the slot for the most part. We might see Jeffrey some on the slot but last night he was taking most of his reps on the outside. It won't take long for everyone to see that Jeffrey offers the Bears a far superior weapon split wide than Hester. Then again, #rexisourquarterback.
ShaHBucks
Footballguy
Numbers only tell a part of the story. Bennet has sure hands, I know that. Some how Sanzenbacher magically almost match his rec and yard in a lot less time on the field. And scored 3 td's to Bennett's 1 in that limited time as a udrfa. Bennett stood out amongst the worse receiving group in the NFL outside of Jacsonville, that's not saying much.Sanzenbacher has horrible hands for a slot WR: http://www.profootballfocus.com/blog/2012/01/17/drop-rate-2011-which-receivers-are-dropping-the-ball/I don't know where Earl Bennett ranks in 2011, but in 2010 he had ZERO drops: http://www.profootballfocus.com/blog/2011/05/23/drop-percentage/Sanzenbacher is a better slot than Bennett. The're paying Bennett so he's going to play.Sanzenbacher may not make the team. Marshall, Jeffrey, Bennett, Hester, Weems, and then it's probably Sanzenbacher or Davis or a flyer.I checked out the first game, grabbed 4 of 5 targets for 35 yards. I'm afraid of him being on a limited snap count for the bad wr's the bears have not gotten over. Logic would say start Marshall/Jeffry with Sanzenbacher in the slot, that would have been nice to see along with Olsen at TE.Caught the only pass thrown his way...20 yard skinny post down to the 1 yardline.Looks good
A secondary key to the season will be getting Jeffrey out there instead of Hester. Jeffrey is a stud, has hands for days, is strong in the air, and uses his body well to ensure he has a chance to receive the ball. Hester has no idea what to do unless he is wide open with no one around him. It's like he never played the position before he got to the bears. A strong wind displaces him in the air.
Epic Problem
Footballguy
dear god.Sanzenbacher is a better slot than Bennett. The're paying Bennett so he's going to play.Sanzenbacher may not make the team. Marshall, Jeffrey, Bennett, Hester, Weems, and then it's probably Sanzenbacher or Davis or a flyer.A secondary key to the season will be getting Jeffrey out there instead of Hester. Jeffrey is a stud, has hands for days, is strong in the air, and uses his body well to ensure he has a chance to receive the ball. Hester has no idea what to do unless he is wide open with no one around him. It's like he never played the position before he got to the bears. A strong wind displaces him in the air.I checked out the first game, grabbed 4 of 5 targets for 35 yards. I'm afraid of him being on a limited snap count for the bad wr's the bears have not gotten over. Logic would say start Marshall/Jeffry with Sanzenbacher in the slot, that would have been nice to see along with Olsen at TE.Caught the only pass thrown his way...20 yard skinny post down to the 1 yardline.Looks good
benson_will_lead_the_way
Footballguy
I disagree 100%, Bennett is head shoulders knees and toes, knees and toes above SanzSanzenbacher is a better slot than Bennett. The're paying Bennett so he's going to play.Sanzenbacher may not make the team. Marshall, Jeffrey, Bennett, Hester, Weems, and then it's probably Sanzenbacher or Davis or a flyer.A secondary key to the season will be getting Jeffrey out there instead of Hester. Jeffrey is a stud, has hands for days, is strong in the air, and uses his body well to ensure he has a chance to receive the ball. Hester has no idea what to do unless he is wide open with no one around him. It's like he never played the position before he got to the bears. A strong wind displaces him in the air.I checked out the first game, grabbed 4 of 5 targets for 35 yards. I'm afraid of him being on a limited snap count for the bad wr's the bears have not gotten over. Logic would say start Marshall/Jeffry with Sanzenbacher in the slot, that would have been nice to see along with Olsen at TE.Caught the only pass thrown his way...20 yard skinny post down to the 1 yardline.Looks good
ShaHBucks
Footballguy
It was just a hypothetical lmao I know it's not popular to say but I think he can do more in the slot then Bennett. Bennett is slow, not so agile but has great hands. He's useful but will never be a high yard or high reception guy. If it wasn't just a thought I'd get into each players contract and really prove pound for pound why I'd rather have Sanzenbacher. Neither of them matter, that's why they got Marshall and the headliner of this thread.I disagree 100%, Bennett is head shoulders knees and toes, knees and toes above SanzSanzenbacher is a better slot than Bennett. They're paying Bennett so he's going to play.Sanzenbacher may not make the team. Marshall, Jeffrey, Bennett, Hester, Weems, and then it's probably Sanzenbacher or Davis or a flyer.A secondary key to the season will be getting Jeffrey out there instead of Hester. Jeffrey is a stud, has hands for days, is strong in the air, and uses his body well to ensure he has a chance to receive the ball. Hester has no idea what to do unless he is wide open with no one around him. It's like he never played the position before he got to the bears. A strong wind displaces him in the air.I checked out the first game, grabbed 4 of 5 targets for 35 yards. I'm afraid of him being on a limited snap count for the bad wr's the bears have not gotten over. Logic would say start Marshall/Jeffry with Sanzenbacher in the slot, that would have been nice to see along with Olsen at TE.Caught the only pass thrown his way...20 yard skinny post down to the 1 yardline.Looks good
Clifford
Footballguy
Alshon Jeffery - WR - Bears
The Chicago Tribune's Dan Pompei expects rookie WR Alshon Jeffery to receive "a lot of playing time in the near future" if he keeps performing the way he has in the first two preseason games.
Even as the fourth receiver, Jeffery saw action on the opening drive of last week's game. The Bears may continue to "start" Hester as a nod to his experience (or to his inflated salary), but Jeffery could still end up with more snaps than any receiver on the team save Brandon Marshall. Among the most impressive offensive rookies, Jeffery's arrow is pointed up.
Choo-Choo
The Chicago Tribune's Dan Pompei expects rookie WR Alshon Jeffery to receive "a lot of playing time in the near future" if he keeps performing the way he has in the first two preseason games.
Even as the fourth receiver, Jeffery saw action on the opening drive of last week's game. The Bears may continue to "start" Hester as a nod to his experience (or to his inflated salary), but Jeffery could still end up with more snaps than any receiver on the team save Brandon Marshall. Among the most impressive offensive rookies, Jeffery's arrow is pointed up.
Choo-Choo
Sabertooth
Footballguy
I agree, he was right up there with Blackmon this time last year. Had a rough year....so did a lot of pro players. It happens. I think he's a true talent.
werdnoynek
Footballguy
as am i... people panicked about a photo where he looked fat. all of a sudden he was slow, not a hard worker, and a one year wonder. 
Clifford
Footballguy
Well, quite a few GMs fell for that crap too so you can't blame people. Emery is looking like one of the best GMs in the league right now:
Shae is getting bullied but otherwise doing well and making plays. Upshaw is on the verge of getting passed on the DC in Baltimore.
Floyd, Jenkins, Quick, and Hill are either producing negative news or no news. Jeffrey has been really the lone bright spot of the rookie receivers, taken a round later. (except Quick)
plus bringing in Marshall, Campbell, Bush through FA, as well as Moseley on D and then getting that DT from Denver who could actually end up starting (forget the name).
Not bad for a rookie year.
Shae is getting bullied but otherwise doing well and making plays. Upshaw is on the verge of getting passed on the DC in Baltimore.
Floyd, Jenkins, Quick, and Hill are either producing negative news or no news. Jeffrey has been really the lone bright spot of the rookie receivers, taken a round later. (except Quick)
plus bringing in Marshall, Campbell, Bush through FA, as well as Moseley on D and then getting that DT from Denver who could actually end up starting (forget the name).
Not bad for a rookie year.
ShaHBucks
Footballguy
Lmao let me see you grab 3 TD's in your first 6 games as a UDRFA! I compared him to a guy who has 6 TD's his whole career. Sanding next to Roy Williams he must have looked like Calvin Johnson To you guys.
Jeffery should be fine. There's no talent in his way at all, just politics. I'm fine grabbing him after 40+ Wr's go off the board. I'd look for the first opportunity to flip him for someone proven if he gets hot.BallparkFrank
Footballguy
Please don't be the next Big Mike Williams:
Brad Biggs @BradBiggs
Not sure what to make of this. #Bears list WR Alshon Jeffery on official Web site at 6-4, 229. All summer he's been 6-3, 216.
Brad Biggs @BradBiggs
Not sure what to make of this. #Bears list WR Alshon Jeffery on official Web site at 6-4, 229. All summer he's been 6-3, 216.
Redraft Jeffery, Dynasty Cobb, but it is close on both of them
RUSF18
Footballguy
The 6'3" 216 were his combine measurements. It makes sense that is how they would list him. They likely updated his measurements with how he showed up to camp as part of finalizing the roster. It's normal for players to cut weight pre-combine in an attempt to run a quicker 40. If he started camp at 229, he's likely below that now, and more importantly, he's been impressing at whatever weight he's at.http://www.nfl.com/combine/profiles/alshon-jeffery?id=2533039'BallparkFrank said:
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BallparkFrank
Footballguy
If a guy with previous weight/dedication issues has indeed put on 13 pounds since the combine, I think there's some potential for concern with this situation. Of course, the fact that he's apparently grown an inch during the same span also makes you wonder!
Birdie048
Footballguy
Looking at the Chi OL, is it that Run blocking might not be there strength. Might they be better suited for quick 3-5 step drops and passing schemes? I don't know. Just guessing here.
Jeffery's biggest problem is his weight. He was up to 260+ early last summer. When it came time for a PR photo op, he looked bigger than DE Ingram & Clowney. His shirt barely fit. Granted, this was over a year ago and it was before the conditioning started at South Carolina.
Now that his paycheck is tied to his performance, I think you will see a different calibler of committment from him. His weight won't be an issue as it is being monitored and addressed. Him not being on the field will be his own fault, not that of the other WR's. He has the talent.
On Field - he has great hands! If Cutler has faith in him, there will be many opportunities for Red Zone targets.
Jeffery's biggest problem is his weight. He was up to 260+ early last summer. When it came time for a PR photo op, he looked bigger than DE Ingram & Clowney. His shirt barely fit. Granted, this was over a year ago and it was before the conditioning started at South Carolina.
Now that his paycheck is tied to his performance, I think you will see a different calibler of committment from him. His weight won't be an issue as it is being monitored and addressed. Him not being on the field will be his own fault, not that of the other WR's. He has the talent.
On Field - he has great hands! If Cutler has faith in him, there will be many opportunities for Red Zone targets.
With Cutler? LOL.
The_Wolfman
Footballguy
I thought he looked good, very nice size and speed combo. I wouldn't count on Jeffery as more than a spot starter this season though. The Bears are going to run it a ton this year and when they do pass Cutler will be looking for Marshall most of the time. Jeffery will have some nice games, but will also have some clunkers too and it's going to be tough to predict.
The Jerk
Footballguy
Nothing wrong with what you say here, but I think there can be a little more optimistic viewpoint than suggesting Jeffery's peak for 2012 is as a spot starter. Ideally, I'd like to think I can have three regular receivers clearly slotted ahead of Jeffery, but I'm pretty sure there are a lot of fantasy teams out there on which that is not true, either due to draft strategy, injury, deep leagues or whatever. And while I agree that expecting any rookie wide receiver to be consistently productive is almost always unreasonable, I think that wide receivers in general are inconsistent, no matter if they're rookies on in their 11th season, so I'm less concerned with pure consistency than I am with aggregate production. Consistency is incredibly difficult to predict, with the most consistent players typically being those who do very little on a weekly basis.Despite playing a far from stout Colt run defense and being in firm control of the game for the entire second half, the Bears still managed to call 37 passes compared to only 33 runs. I believe the Bears are going to be far more balanced on offense, and if anything, will tilt in favor of more passing, not more running, as compared to last year. I know all about the quotes for two 1,000 yard rushers and the history of the Bears offense, but I've always agreed that actions speak louder than words, and in acquiring Marshall and Jeffery, they showed that they understood the importance of upgrading their passing game.There's more to it than just the draft picks. I think the Bears pass block better than they run block, and they will very likely need to match scores in at least the six games vs. GB, Det, Dallas and Houston. I don't expect the Bears to be a top 5, or maybe even top 10 passing offense, not in today's NFL. But I think it very likely they finish in the top half of the league in yards and touchdowns through the air, regardless of the exact number of attempts. I'm not overly concerned about the weather, but weather combined with a tendency to be more conservative as the season wears on is the only worry I have about their ability to sustain an increased emphasis on passing.It's like the Bears realized that they can be a competitive team by staying with the running/defense mindset, but if they wanted to actually be champions, they would need to upgrade their passing attack, and I believe they have. It's only one week and easy to overreact, as I may very well be doing here, but I don't think it's insanity to think that Cutler could quarterback a top 15 passing offense. Certainly his track record supports the possibility.No doubt Marshall is the unquestioned #1 target in Chicago, and the one player who will be force-fed opportunities. However, I am intrigued at the idea of a Marshall-sized receiver in Jeffery getting mostly single coverage and/or the #2 or #3 cornerback assigned to him. Will he have some "clunkers" as suggested? Absolutely, which will make him like most rookie receivers, and really most receivers period. Jeffery may not exceed his Week 1 production all season. I don't know. What I absolutely DO know is that Jeffery has the talent, the size, the quarterback, and the opportunity to put up meaningful fantasy numbers at a very low price. He's a perfect high-upside bench player who figures to improve as the season progresses. I'm not expecting top 20 fantasy numbers, I just want someone who can reasonably be expected to get me something as a bye-week/injury replacement or possibly even a WR3. As of Week 1, Jeffery fits that bill. We'll all see how this situation develops during the season.
Deadzone21
Footballguy
Agreed and as the season progresses, I see Jeffery just getting better, building a better relationship with Cutler and eventually seeing a bigger role in the game plan with single coverage. Even so, I will take his week 1 stats from my WR3 anytime.
Polish Hammer
made of glass
Am I crazy in hoping he can have a Colston-lite type of rookie season?
Deadzone21
Footballguy
Good point. I didnt even think about looking at future match ups. His outlook even better.
ShaHBucks
Footballguy
if he's still running a high 4.4 idc what he weights. Throw him the football and he will produce, there's not much you can do to stop him. 3:1 ratio with Marshall is my biggest concern. Cutler stares Marshall down every play.
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Statcruncher
Footballguy
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Raider Nation
Devil's Advocate
I see the targets, but I can't find any "snaps" details. Was Jeffrey the other WR in most of the 2-WR sets?
I'm trying to get an idea of how often he was on the field.
I'm trying to get an idea of how often he was on the field.
The Jerk
Footballguy
From Football Outsiders snap count
Jeffery was second only to Marshall in snap percentage, although he was only in on 42 of 77 (55%) of the snaps. Still, 9 more snaps than Hester and 22 more snaps than Bennett.
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YEAR WEEK TEAM PLAYER POS START TOT OFF OFFPCT DEF DEFPCT ST STPCT2012 1 CHI 60-L.Louis RG Yes 84 77 100% 0 0% 7 21%2012 1 CHI 63-R.Garza C Yes 84 77 100% 0 0% 7 21%2012 1 CHI 72-G.Carimi RT Yes 84 77 100% 0 0% 7 21%2012 1 CHI 73-J.Webb LT Yes 84 77 100% 0 0% 7 21%2012 1 CHI 67-C.Spencer LG Yes 77 77 100% 0 0% 0 0%2012 1 CHI 6-J.Cutler QB Yes 77 77 100% 0 0% 0 0%2012 1 CHI 87-K.Davis TE Yes 82 75 97% 0 0% 7 21%2012 1 CHI 15-B.Marshall WR Yes 71 71 92% 0 0% 0 0%2012 1 CHI 22-M.Forte RB Yes 56 56 73% 0 0% 0 0%2012 1 CHI 17-A.Jeffery WR No 42 42 55% 0 0% 0 0%2012 1 CHI 23-D.Hester WR Yes 42 33 43% 0 0% 9 27%2012 1 CHI 89-M.Spaeth TE No 39 32 42% 0 0% 7 21%2012 1 CHI 29-M.Bush RB No 25 25 32% 0 0% 0 0%2012 1 CHI 48-E.Rodriguez FB Yes 29 20 26% 0 0% 9 27%2012 1 CHI 80-E.Bennett WR No 28 20 26% 0 0% 8 24%2012 1 CHI 86-K.Adams TE No 16 9 12% 0 0% 7 21%
flapgreen
Footballguy
I didn't read the snap counts but he was in a lot. He's obviously their number 2 guy who will make some explosive plays. Bennet made a few catches in the middle. Hester was pretty much invisible. Cutler likes him too. I wouldnt't be surprised if Jefferey approached 800yds and a few tds this year, maybe a little more.
SameSongNDance
Footballguy
I should be buying right now shouldn't I.
Raider Nation
Devil's Advocate
Thanks Jerk!
@flap, I would expect more than "a few" TDs out of him. I think 8 is a fair expectation.
@flap, I would expect more than "a few" TDs out of him. I think 8 is a fair expectation.
