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Faust
MVP
Jimmy Graham show begins in Seattle:
http://espn.go.com/blog/nfcwest/post/_/id/119178/jimmy-graham-show-begins-in-seattle
http://espn.go.com/blog/nfcwest/post/_/id/119178/jimmy-graham-show-begins-in-seattle
Faust
MVP
WATCH: Jimmy Graham leaps, rips away touchdown from Seahawks DB
http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/eye-on-football/25274692/watch-jimmy-graham-leaps-rips-away-touchdown-from-defensive-back
http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/eye-on-football/25274692/watch-jimmy-graham-leaps-rips-away-touchdown-from-defensive-back
Faust
MVP
Carroll: Lack of targets for Jimmy Graham 'frustrating'
http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000535913/article/carroll-lack-of-targets-for-jimmy-graham-frustrating
http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000535913/article/carroll-lack-of-targets-for-jimmy-graham-frustrating
And ironically the Saints look to be in the same boat. It's as if both teams tried to change their stripes but should have stuck with what they do best. Hard not watching Seattle and thinking they could use some OL help and hard not watching the Saints and thinking they need a play maker or at least one with size as a receiving option.mbuehner said:
I know what I'm about to write next is going to sound crazy but I said it back when Seattle traded for Graham and I'll say it again. If they do not figure out how to use him and make him an essential part of what they do I absolutely believe he will get traded again. Seattle is as aggressive a trading NFL team as I can ever recall and they have to pay a lot of players. Graham is eating up about $10 million a season and has zero bonus money or guarantees in that contract that Seattle is responsible for so moving would create no cap hit, just a bunch of savings in addition to what he brought back. Bottom line is a team that was successful without him I think is going to have a hard time justifying both internally and to a locker full of players wanting to get paid that a lightly used Jimmy Graham is worth $10 million a year.
Faust
MVP
LOOK: Seahawks fan makes missing person ad for Jimmy Graham
http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/eye-on-football/25310816/look-seahawks-fan-makes-missing-person-ad-for-jimmy-graham
http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/eye-on-football/25310816/look-seahawks-fan-makes-missing-person-ad-for-jimmy-graham
Ghost Rider
Footballguy
It's clear as day that the Seahawks OC isn't very good. He had no clue how to use Percy Harvin, and he seems to have no clue how to use Jimmy Graham. The greatness of Lynch and Wilson is the main reason their offense has success. Just imagine if they had a good play caller.
lod01
Footballguy
It's a horrible match. A stud TE playing on an offense with a playground QB and an offense that wants him to be the highest paid blocking TE in the league.
In dynasty we have to wait for them to ask him to take a pay cut and he of course says no so he can get the hell outta there.
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I wonder how much of the Graham acquisition was a reaction their last play of the Superbowl. If you look at the numbers, Lynch has actually not been that great on the goalline. I suspect teams are just selling out to stop him, and in the limited space Wilson isn't at his best either. So they figure they bring in Graham just to post up and let Wilson toss him those automatic looking TDs Brees did so often.
It's incredible to me how Wilson gets zero blame for everything. Harvin and Graham suck, oc's fault, last second int, head coaches fault.
In the snf thread, when he finally plays well, 3 or 4 posters act like the guy is the second coming. He's the most teflon qb i've ever seen.
Omniscient Deity
Footballguy
Jeremy
Footballguy
Golden Tate looks a lot better in Detroit than he did in Seattle as well. Wilson is obviously a gifted QB, but you probably don't want your WR or TE to land there.
Meatwad Reloaded
Footballguy
I bought in big time to the Jimmy Graham hype, so this is helping to kill my season....on the plus side though, I do hate the Seahawks, so this is incredibly funny to watch. We might have to merge this with the good ol' 'wheels coming off the bus' thread.....
Skyryder222
Footballguy
I was just offered Fitz and J. Thomas for Graham and Karlos Williams, thinking of taking it.
Manster
Footballguy
He's been very insulated with the run game and D.....without the talent around him he's a middle of the road NFL starter
SaintsInDome2006
Footballguy
The feelings mutual, Big Easy misses Jimmy, the Saints need him.
Kitrick Taylor
Footballguy
So in review, the Seahawks traded away a top 5 Center and a 1st round pick for Jimmy Graham whom they are not using in the passing game. Isn't the offensive line the weakest link on that team?
ImTheScientist
Footballguy
UNGER wasn't a top 5 center anymore. He only played 6 games last year and they didn't lose a game when he wasn't playing. There was talk they would have cut him this year as he was overpaid.
JetMaxx
Footballguy
If a team can't make a Wilson, Lynch, Graham trio work I think the blame goes to the OC.
BroncoFreak_2K3
sucker for Orange
JetMaxx
Footballguy
Sorry your OC sucks, don't respond. TIA
Meatwad Reloaded
Footballguy
Tau837
Footballguy
LittlePhatty
Footballguy
Sometimes a player just fits somewhere, and I'm wondering if Jimmy would trade that extra money to be back on the Saints now. What's the real-life difference between a few extra million$ versus being happy on the team.SaintsInDome2006 said:
I'm also wondering if DeMarco Murray feels the same way now. Should have stayed.
simey
Footballguy
Didn't DeMarco make the decision to leave in free agency, but Jimmy was traded by the Saints? I remember Graham being shocked he was traded to the Seahawks. He didn't leave New Orleans for extra money. Sean Payton traded him and a 4th-round pick for Unger.
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Sabertooth
Footballguy
Yeah and considering that BJ Raji was simply shoving the new center back into Wilson, it's looking like a terrible move. It's bad enough to have a talent like Jimmy and not use him, but even worse when you really heart the heart and soul of your offense to do it.
Seahawks will be lucky to make the playoffs this season. Arizona is going to rule that division.
Seahawks will be lucky to make the playoffs this season. Arizona is going to rule that division.
Power Monster
The Midnight Stalker
A date with a lousy Bear's team should get this team in the win column. Expecting a decent number from JG this week. But then again this is the NFL...
Did I miss a good game? You mean a mediocre bad game where a TD bailed him out. To clarify Graham was going 12 picks behind Gronkowski and was TE2 off the board so I expect alot high production.
I am unsure what has given hope to you that JG should have decent numbers even? What are you thinking 3 for 25 / 4 for 32? Now I am sure Graham will have a couple big games but if I were an owner I would hope he does it this week so I can trade him and move on.
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SeniorVBDStudent
Footballguy
Graham will see 8-12 targets this week.
LittlePhatty
Footballguy
Sabertooth
Footballguy
Graham had a down week. Week 1 he scored 17 fantasy points.
Let's all chill the #### out a little bit. He's still getting more use than Greg Olsen. Who was supposed to skyrocket this season due to the Kelvin Benjamin injury.
Let's all chill the #### out a little bit. He's still getting more use than Greg Olsen. Who was supposed to skyrocket this season due to the Kelvin Benjamin injury.
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simey
Footballguy
Greg Olsen had 14 targets last game. Teams are making him a priority to cover, but the Panthers made it a point to try to get him the ball last week.
Power Monster
The Midnight Stalker
Well as a Bear's fan I can assure you that this defense is absolutely horrid and the offense is a mess with several key injuries. The Bears will roll out Clausen and that is a feast in the making for the Seattle D. The Bears are easily a top 3 bottom feeder in the NFL.
Also, home opener after two tough road losses.
Another clue here is the volume of complaining coming out that JG does not like his role and the HC mentioning that the game plan for JG just did not work out. This usually translates into a coming out party for the week. I think he will do well in home games with some luke warm success on the road.
I have a hard time thinking that this team is just going to wallow in mediocrity. They will be in a dog fight with Arizona but they are all about getting the home crowd cooking. Still one of the hardest teams to beat at home.
I see JG getting 6-8 targets this week good for 55 and a TD.
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Sabertooth
Footballguy
That's great. But I don't get points for targets and I expect the Seahawks to give Graham a similar treatment this week. Minimum 8 targets.
Doug B
Footballguy
Can't prove it, but there's a lot of smoke about Graham forcing his way off of the Saints (whether he intended it or not). Rumored locker-room issue after the WR-tag battle against the team.
I tend to agree. After week one we heard a lot of griping and talking regarding Lions lack of usage with Calvin and he came out week two with 17 targets. The talk regarding Grahams lack of usage is turned up several decibels from the Calvin talk so I absolutely think he has a heavily targetted and likely big game this weekend.
I traded Graham last night in a TE premimum dynasty league but my advice would run to counter to that if you own him. Enjoy his big game this weekend, then try and move him and frame week 2 as the aberattion. Which it might be and I'm willing to bet it is his worst fantasy game of the season. But I also think the days of basically being able to play a consistent fantasy WR1 at your TE spot is gone. Now he's just simply going to be a good fantasy TE and likely not a consistent one.
Shutout
Footballguy
Considering millions of people drag their butts to works every day for far less, I'd say it matters a lot.
I don't expect it to happen but if the Seahawks somehow lose this weekend then I'd say the implosion is all but arrived. Sometimes you add a little too much to the soup and you lose what made it great.
As someone mentioned, seeing the Packers man handle the o-line this Sunday is probably one of the biggest "uh oh" moments Seahawks fans need to be paying attention to.
He might have erronously thought he could act a certain way and get away with it and from things I picked up might not have conform to a total team mindset over self but I still don't think he wanted out and absolutely think he was shocked and never saw it coming.
I also believe the reports that he was close to being dealt to the Dolphins. Can you imagine that difference for him? He could return to Miami and play in a TE friendly scheme and wage twice annual wars with Gronk or getting sent across the country to play for a run based.
biju
Footballguy
Last year he had these games too:
6 for 54
2 for 36
5 for 59 and "bailed out" by a TD
3 for 29
3 for 25
6 for 53 and "bailed out" by a TD
6 for 54
Let's take a deep breath here and not blame this entirely on the scheme. Sometimes football players have bad games. Yes, I'd like to see Graham more involved in the passing game but I don't think the one catch game is the way he's expected to be used.
lod01
Footballguy
Pretty sure he would love to be in Miami right now they way they are throwing the ball. It's still a possibility down the road but not this season.
Banger
Footballguy
lod01
Footballguy
Loins did the same with Calvin, only they waited until they made sure they had already lost the game. They are so smart.
Yet another fine example of how stupid coaches are at the NFL level. It takes the media #####ing about the use of a star player to make the coaches get them the ball.
