JustinHawkins
Footballguy
LOL. Good call, what about you doowain, you take Tate over any of those WRs I listed or no?
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[DYNASTY] Golden Tate (1 Viewer)
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JustinHawkins
Footballguy
I think right now its because he could very well be the #1 option depending on what is happening with brittle Sidney Rice.
FunkyTeaParty
Footballguy
I also think there is a "been there, done that" aspect with Josh Morgan.
I can understand not buying in on Tate, but I don't see similarities with Morgan.
I can understand not buying in on Tate, but I don't see similarities with Morgan.
doowain
Footballguy
3optic
Footballguy
Book may have been written on Morgan. Conversely Tate in 3rd year and had good production down the stretch last year. Now you throw in opportunity and his efficiency with opportunities thus far..
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Craig_MiamiFL
Footballguy
Knock yourself out with Josh Morgan.
ImTheScientist
Footballguy
That's the point. I want no part of either. Way to grasp it.
This reminds me of the thread when I got bashed for asking who was the better value last year...Ryan Mathews or James Starks?
Young 8
Footballguy
ConnSKINS26
Footballguy
Dinsy Ejotuz
Footballguy
Why would a guy who wasn't a good receiving WR in college and hasn't been a good receiving WR in the pros suddenly turn into a good receiving WR at age 28?
I wish I'd rostered Tate more often when he was on the WW. Wouldn't be surprised to see him be one of the lesser revelations of 2013.
I wish I'd rostered Tate more often when he was on the WW. Wouldn't be surprised to see him be one of the lesser revelations of 2013.
ConnSKINS26
Footballguy
Morgan was starting to bloom in SF before injury ended his season, and then he came to DC. He's fully healthy now for the first time in quite a while, and he's pretty handily beating out Hankerson (who is inconsistent and timid) for the Skins WR2 spot. You'd think he was paid by the yard, with how hard he fights for YAC. And he's rarely going to leave the field, with how effective a run blocker he is. Shanahan loves him and it's possible he finally lives up to his potential.
SaintsInDome2006
Footballguy
Young 8
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ROYALWITCHEESE
Footballguy
ConnSKINS26
Footballguy
You'd have to actually watch him play. But read the box scores all you want. I know tons of SF fans that were convinced he was on the edge of breaking out and harnessing that physical ability when he was injured with the 49ers.
ROYALWITCHEESE
Footballguy
I'm a Skins fan. I saw every play last year. I've seen enough. Even his "highlights" aren't impressive.
johnadams
Footballguy
Can't think of a single one. Morgan was little more than an impressive practice player. Great athlete that fooled a lot of beat writers, but an average NFL WR at best. The fans I know, of which I've been one for over forty years, had no illusions about Morgan.
ConnSKINS26
Footballguy
I believe that those are the personal experiences each of you had, and that's fair. But they don't match my own, and there is a general excitement about Morgan from Skins fans this offseason. He's not special, but he's very well-rounded and more explosive after the catch than a lot of guys. And he has RG3 throwing to him.
Dinsy Ejotuz
Footballguy
He's useful because he's huge and a great blocker who can catch. But he's not a strong receiving WR and IMO there's no reason to think he'll become one now.
ROYALWITCHEESE
Footballguy
Plus he makes bonehead plays sometimes. Cost us the Rams game.
Can we get back to Tate?
Can we get back to Tate?
cstu
Footballguy
Tate looked very good in the Broncos game, but what is a 'breakout season' for him in this offense - 60/900/6?
mjr
Footballguy
Ministry of Pain
Footballguy
Golden Tate should have a big night tonight. 100 yds and 2 TDs. Harvin is out and the playoffs and seeds are at stake. Tate shows up for big games, be interesting to see what he does tonight vs the Saints.
Gadabout
Footballguy
You think he's gonna do all of that against Keenan Lewis? I don't know who he'll be covering but he's been lights out all year.
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ImTheScientist
Footballguy
Long Ball Larry
Footballguy
ImTheScientist
Footballguy
ImTheScientist
Footballguy
I actually think that Seattle doesn't sign Tate back.
Dinsy Ejotuz
Footballguy
He's stretched as a #1, but he'd make a really solid #2. If he goes to a team that can support two WRs he'll be FF relevant.
Coeur de Lion
Footballguy
Tate can play. Agree that he's not an ideal NFL WR1, but he'll be a quality starter for whoever signs him. He hasn't really had a big flashy breakout season, but he's been on a steady upward trajectory since entering the league.
FF-wise, he just needs more targets. In 2013 he finished WR30 on just < 100 targets on the team that finished 31st in passing attempts -- if he signs with a team that throws the ball more he could be a decent FF WR2.
Those of us who have him in dynasty can only hope. Hope he doesn't get an offer or want to go to his home state of Tennesse. Maybe go to his college state of Indiana. The Colts would look pretty good with Wayne, Tate and Hilton.
Coeur de Lion
Footballguy
He's likely to see at least a small bump in targets almost anywhere else as opposed to staying in Seattle. I don't think he's gonna break the bank at all so most teams might be in play.
I agree and think enough teams will be interested that he will have to make a decision. Will that decision be based on being a teams #1..., money.....,QB....Team Location.... etc. I hope he doesn't chase dollars to a team that provides him no better opprotunity for increased numbers.
Coeur de Lion
Footballguy
Worst case scenario is probably giving Seattle a hometown discount to stay and try to win more rings. I'd be thrilled if he chased the money to a crappy team that will have to throw all game. See Garçon, Pierre.
johnadams
Footballguy
He's going to the highest bidder. Very few guys in the NFL would do anything differently, especially young ones. I don't see him returning to SEA as they have a lot of work to do over the next two years to keep within the cap as some of their young players have expiring contracts. I don't see Tate as the kind of guy they're going to make a huge effort to keep in a scenario where cap dollars become scarce.
Coeur de Lion
Footballguy
Don't disagree with your main premise, but in this case, how much is the highest bidder likely to offer? This rookie class is deep at WR, and other guys in FA will likely command higher $$$ amounts. Tate isn't too likely to get any offers that completely price him out of the market for anyone IMO. I own him, hope he ends up elsewhere, and think it's likely that he does. But this isn't going to be a Mike Wallace situation where the original team just has no chance...
Ghost Rider
Footballguy
Yeah, I can't see Tate commanding very much on the open market. He is not an elite WR by any stretch of the imagination, and he probably has more value to the Seahawks at a reduced price than he would on another team for a slightly higher price (given that you can't count on Rice to come back healthy or Harvin to stay healthy).
johnadams
Footballguy
I agree that his contract isn't going to be a break the bank type, but I'm guessing that Tate will start by looking for Amendola/Hartline deals (both got about 30million, 5 year deals). That might be a bit high for him, but not by a ton since Tate is a solid return guy as well.Ghost Rider said:
And I disagree that he has more value to the Seahawks at a reduced price. I've always felt that if a player has more value to a given team (usually his current team) his value is at an increased price to the team. Don't count out one of the NFC West rivals making a strong push for him either, who could make a value case that his knowledge of SEA has value as well.
FUBAR
Footballguy
Maybe, but the teams in the NFC West don't really need a WR like Tate. Rams need a #1 but have decent depth; Arizona maybe if Fitz left, San Fran maybe if Boldin left.
He seems a perfect fit in Detroit.
