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****The 2019 Carolina Panthers Thread**** We Rhule At Losing (2 Viewers)
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Englishteacher
Footballguy
He's torn ACL's twice plus some other major injuries. If at all healthy, he's a great player. We're in the same boat as NY and need to be exploring OL possibilities if we have cap room. Not sure what his market or his health is like but I'd be all for kicking the tires. Even if we got only a few games from him on an affordable contract, I'd have to think he'd represent an upgrade over what we're likely to trot out at the tackle positions. I think we need to take a look see.
NCCommish
Footballguy
The Panthers, for better or worse, are happy with what they have. We aren't bringing in anyone currently available. Now if a decent vet gets cut to make room for a rookie, and some may, then maybe.
Englishteacher
Footballguy
I more or less agree on that. Jake Long though is a beast. Granted, he's had a heckuva time with injuries. I'd like to have him (not likely) if we could sign him to a vet minimum contract with incentives given for playing time. If he could recover and stay healthy for at least part of the season even, he's going to be a ton better than what we've got.
NCCommish
Footballguy
I read something a while back that claimed his asking price was too high and teams weren't willing to pay it given his injury history. Maybe he has come down or the Giants are in a bad enough spot to pay. But I don't think he's planning to play for vet min.
NCCommish
Footballguy
So the rumors are that Cam is going to sign a 5 year deal worth around 100 million. Slightly more than Tannenhill but likely less than Luck and Wilson will get. By signing a 5 year he gets a chance for one more big contract while still in his prime like Big Ben just did. I would have liked to see a lower yearly average but there was no way Can was taking a Kap deal.
pantherclub
Footballguy
Perfect^
NCCommish
Footballguy
Latest contract rumor is that the contract includes between 45 and 48 million in guaranteed money. That is a lot. I'm thinking Wilson and Luck will like that as a floor level if it's accurate. Tannenhills guarantee ended up being way less than early reports indicated. Although I expect Cam to get more than him regardless.
NCCommish
Footballguy
Well hopefully we are getting the help Cam needs to do so. As I recall the Steelers O-line was a smidge better than ours when Ben got his.
The Commish
Footballguy
I had a gut feeling that it wouldn't be the most overall received by a QB, but one of the top contracts of guaranteed money. Now, let's put a bubble around him and keep him safe.
NCCommish
Footballguy
BassNBrew
Footballguy
pantherclub
Footballguy
^anderson?
BassNBrew
Footballguy
Bob Magaw
Footballguy
Casserly (on Total Access) described Newton's contract structure more like Kaepernick's, actually year to year. I haven't read the terms, just passing it along. A graphic stated closer to $31 million guaranteed, not $61 million. He was already set to get about $15 milion this year, so by doubling that (in the form of a roster bonus this year - not sure how that changes the cap hit this year and going forward?), they lock him up for the next five years on their terms, IF THEY WANT TO. Casserly called it very team-friendly and year to year. Not that they would do it, but it sounds like if he regressed terribly this year, next year, they could pull the plug at any year of the next five in the contract, and not be on the hook for the remaining years.
* If Casserly is right, it certainly wouldn't be the first time that the guaranteed money reported on the first day ends up being different than what was initially thought. Pretty sure this was the case with Kaepernick.
* If Casserly is right, it certainly wouldn't be the first time that the guaranteed money reported on the first day ends up being different than what was initially thought. Pretty sure this was the case with Kaepernick.
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FUBAR
Footballguy
Ah yes, the "the Panthers want to lose" posts. Good times.
He's already the 3rd best qb under 30.
Bob Magaw
Footballguy
It is $31 million guaranteed for skill, $61 million for injury.
By like Kaepernick, I meant the year-to-year part. IF Casserly is right (and again, I didn't vet his critique or see the contract details), it is year-to-year when it comes to the skill guarantee part. Of course, the guaranteed money part on both skill and injury could be a lot better for Cam, which wouldn't surprise me (I'm pretty sure the consensus is Newton's a superior player?).
Kaepernick has a possibly unprecedented deal with freaky de-escalator clauses. I think I read that in 2015, he makes $10 million instead of $12 million because he didn't make All-Pro or the Super Bowl (those would fall into the incentive category, not likely to be earned)? At the time, he said he was betting on himself, but the contract was almost universally panned (in fairness, Brady takes a lot less than market value so the Pats can afford and field a better team around him to further enhance his already first ballot Hall of Fame resume, and that went according to plan in 2014). He was still 1-2 years away from the 49ers being forced to make a hard decision on whether to sign him to a big contract or not, they could have bided their time, and in the interim, he could have been injured. There was also risk his play declined (it kind of did last year) and he could be left on the outside looking in down the road. It was explained that he took more short/mid-term security, at the expense of long term security.
By like Kaepernick, I meant the year-to-year part. IF Casserly is right (and again, I didn't vet his critique or see the contract details), it is year-to-year when it comes to the skill guarantee part. Of course, the guaranteed money part on both skill and injury could be a lot better for Cam, which wouldn't surprise me (I'm pretty sure the consensus is Newton's a superior player?).
Kaepernick has a possibly unprecedented deal with freaky de-escalator clauses. I think I read that in 2015, he makes $10 million instead of $12 million because he didn't make All-Pro or the Super Bowl (those would fall into the incentive category, not likely to be earned)? At the time, he said he was betting on himself, but the contract was almost universally panned (in fairness, Brady takes a lot less than market value so the Pats can afford and field a better team around him to further enhance his already first ballot Hall of Fame resume, and that went according to plan in 2014). He was still 1-2 years away from the 49ers being forced to make a hard decision on whether to sign him to a big contract or not, they could have bided their time, and in the interim, he could have been injured. There was also risk his play declined (it kind of did last year) and he could be left on the outside looking in down the road. It was explained that he took more short/mid-term security, at the expense of long term security.
Englishteacher
Footballguy
Bucky Brooks' scouting report on Newton: http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000495629/article/cam-newtons-panthers-extension-justified-by-qbs-unique-skills
NCCommish
Footballguy
NCCommish
Footballguy
Got a more detailed report on Cams contract. Apparently the whole 60 million is guaranteed in case of injury. However the guarantee works like a roster bonus in the following years. If Cam is on the roster 3 days after the start of the NFL year that year is fully guaranteed. After the 3rd year the guarantees are paid and he has his 60 million + and everything left is year to year salary.
NCCommish
Footballguy
So JStew is going to run his first football camp for kids. He is going to be joined by Smith Sr and Luke. Sounds good. 13 corporate sponsors and it still costs 200 a kid. That doesn't sound so good. That is a full season of Pop Warner with most organizations. With all those sponsors I am having trouble justifying the cost unless this is way more about getting paid than anything else. Which kind of sucks.
NCCommish
Footballguy
I thought this was interesting. It is a film breakdown and analysis of every Cam thrown touchdown last year. Some very interesting numbers come to light about how this offense gets the ball in the end zone. He also does an analysis of all 15 Ints Cam threw in another segment. NFL Breakdowns
BassNBrew
Footballguy
If it was a soccer camp it would have cost double that. That said, I get your point.
NCCommish
Footballguy
NCCommish
Footballguy
TD gets his extension. 18 million to play through the 2017 season. Should reduce his cap number by 4-5 million. I would hope we rework big money next and then get Luke signed.
Looks like TD is saying this will be his last contract, I couldn't be happier he will retire as a Panther. Shaq has some monstrous shows to fill.
Looks like TD is saying this will be his last contract, I couldn't be happier he will retire as a Panther. Shaq has some monstrous shows to fill.
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The Commish
Footballguy
Yeah, hard to tell if he is trying to build his confidence or it is true. If true, he could be a really nice downfield threat with his size and speed. Based on what he has gone through, no idea how mentally tough he is, so this could just be trying to keep him going. FF wise, he won't matter, but NFL wise, he will get single coverage a lot. Ginn did get us 556-5TDs in 2013 as the deep guy, so Hill won't be a FF starter, but he could definitely contribute if he is better than Ginn as a WR. Based on the fluff, I would think he has more potential, but in 2013, Benjamin and Funchess weren't there, so 500-5TD would be a big season. Ginn won't do much as a WR unless Hill flops, but we need him more for returning anyway.
solorca
Footballguy
I would like to see Hill get a shot, but I'm not sure how he's going to make the team. Typically we keep five wide receivers. Benjamin, Funchess, and Ginn are all locks, I'd think. Cotchery and Philly Brown are likely close to locks as well. That's five.
Maybe we keep six and he sneaks in, but as much as the fanbase may not like it, Bersin appears to be a favorite of Cams so he's probably ahead of Hill on the depth chart as well right now.
Cotchery getting cut is a possibility, but I think he sticks around for his veteran leadership.
My guess is that if Hill makes the team, we see Bersin get placed on IR with a minor injury during the preseason.
Maybe we keep six and he sneaks in, but as much as the fanbase may not like it, Bersin appears to be a favorite of Cams so he's probably ahead of Hill on the depth chart as well right now.
Cotchery getting cut is a possibility, but I think he sticks around for his veteran leadership.
My guess is that if Hill makes the team, we see Bersin get placed on IR with a minor injury during the preseason.
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pantherclub
Footballguy
Good post. I am guessing the preseason will bring some clarity. If Hill shows any improvement I think he is worth keep over Jericho.
NCCommish
Footballguy
I think the best part of it is that they did it quietly. No looking for press coverage and refusing to comment once it became known. To me that says it was about helping, caring and not getting a cheap PR boost.
BassNBrew
Footballguy
He doesn't need to publicize it with guys like you carrying his water.NCCommish said:I think the best part of it is that they did it quietly. No looking for press coverage and refusing to comment once it became known. To me that says it was about helping, caring and not getting a cheap PR boost.omally said:
j/k gb. I agree with you.
NCCommish
Footballguy
I still wouldn't have given them one penny for the stadium.He doesn't need to publicize it with guys like you carrying his water.NCCommish said:I think the best part of it is that they did it quietly. No looking for press coverage and refusing to comment once it became known. To me that says it was about helping, caring and not getting a cheap PR boost.omally said:
j/k gb. I agree with you.
BassNBrew
Footballguy
If you think about it that way, WE (Mecklenburg tax payers) gave the money to the families.I still wouldn't have given them one penny for the stadium.He doesn't need to publicize it with guys like you carrying his water.NCCommish said:I think the best part of it is that they did it quietly. No looking for press coverage and refusing to comment once it became known. To me that says it was about helping, caring and not getting a cheap PR boost.omally said:
j/k gb. I agree with you.
NCCommish
Footballguy
We are ever so generous.If you think about it that way, WE (Mecklenburg tax payers) gave the money to the families.I still wouldn't have given them one penny for the stadium.He doesn't need to publicize it with guys like you carrying his water.NCCommish said:I think the best part of it is that they did it quietly. No looking for press coverage and refusing to comment once it became known. To me that says it was about helping, caring and not getting a cheap PR boost.omally said:
j/k gb. I agree with you.
The Commish
Footballguy
I think the best part of it is that they did it quietly. No looking for press coverage and refusing to comment once it became known. To me that says it was about helping, caring and not getting a cheap PR boost.
Was on vacation when it happened and couldn't post, but it was a solid move 
