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I don't think you're wrong in the above, per se; I just don't think it's worth our consideration, beyond the concerns associated with each individual injury--not a collection of procedures. I view him as a guy coming off of ACL surgery. Not much more than that, personally. I don't mean to tell anyone how they should measure his risk; just trying to express how I measure it and why. Like you, I'm no doctor.
If you really want to play the semantics game, I'd disagree that the seeking out only happens "where it's not needed".
I'm curious how an offensive player can seek out contact, when it's not need it, without it hindering his objective--score. Something Gronk does on close to 20% of his receptions.
I have to be honest--I didn't know who the guy was. But a quick Google search suggests that he had a degenerative knee condition, which caused his early retirement. I'd question using him as a comp for a potential Gronk break down.cstu said:
I'm still not sure what you mean by "when it's not needed". I mean, technically it's never needed, a player could just fall down every time they get the ball.
Please put a lid on your 'voice of reason' I need others to continue to throw themselves on this grenade.
Fair enough. To me, it's not that Gronk seeks contact, fights harder, or wants the yards more than anyone else. He's just more capable of staying up. If Wes Welker was 6'6" 265 and explosive--he'd look like he was fighting harder too.
I'm not concerned. I thought he looked a little tentative on the knee back when they were saying he was good to go. I slight limp is expected. RG3 limped through an entire season.
Define holding him back.
when I'm thinking holding him back, I'm thinking about him sitting out on the sidelines and not practicing....stuff like that. From what I've heard, he and Revis and Brady have been going to an adjacent field and working together even if he isn't in the contact drills.
His back surgeries have nothing to do with his ability to take contact, moving forward.
Fair enough. I don't agree with it being a realistic concern, but he is capable of taking more hits than the less physically gifted, and, thus, does. He's likely to take more to bring down than Calvin, whose likely to take more than Dez, whose likely to take more than Green, whose likely to take more than Hunter, whose likely to take more than Desean Jackson. It isn't considered when I rank these guys as dynasty assets, however.
TEs generally play many more snaps than RBs, and besides just getting hit when they have the ball they get hit a ton while blocking (even if you don't consider it a hit you can obviously get hurt blocking as Gronk has). You may disagree again, but that's another thing that I think Gronk tends to go all out doing when many others do not.
Yeah, I began by saying I don't consider it to be a huge issue, but I do think there's something to the "style of play" argument. As far as being capable of taking more hits than others, that may be true, but he's obviously not capable of taking all of the hits he does.
73.6% of all statistics are made up
This is part of the 26.4% that is not made up.
I'd guess he'll play limited snaps as he eases his way back into the lineup to his usual (healthy) workload by about week 4. Unless you have Graham, Thomas or Cameron, I'd probably start him regardless.
Teetering on the decision with him in a TD only scoring league (no WR/TE considered the same).
He was next an "explosive" athlete. Not a quick twitch guy. Big... fast... but not explosive.
