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TE Rob Gronkowski, TB (2 Viewers)
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Dinsy Ejotuz
Footballguy
Well, Rosenhaus could certainly be doing the bidding of the Patriots here -- covering for the fact that Gronk won't be available early in the year -- but it's interesting and encouraging that his story hasn't changed in the face of the Globe reports.
Anarchy99
Footballguy
But it doesn't sound like he denied that Gronk will be undergoing a microdiscetomy, which I believe is what he had in college. Granted, it's a different disc, but it still sounds like there's a 3 month minimum recovery time. So if Rosenhaus calls it "minor," so be it. Given that Gronk really hasn't been able to do much lifting with the arm thing and won't be able to practice with the back recovery, I don't think it's that big a stretch to suggest that he might not be game ready until October.
KellysHeroes
Footballguy
even if he gets on the field week 1, you expect this guy to perform at a high level without being able to train during the off-season. Ethier way his 2013 season is shot
GroveDiesel
Footballguy
I'm really interested in hearing from our resident Doc on what it means that this is his second surgery of this type. Does it mean anything one way or the other that it is on a different disk? Does that mean it's just a coincidence and not indicative of future problems versus if it were the same disk? Does it mean he might have some degenerative issue and he could very well have problems with other disks going forward?
These seem like pretty huge questions to me.
These seem like pretty huge questions to me.
Dinsy Ejotuz
Footballguy
Well, I don't want to bank on Rosenhaus telling God's simple truth or anything. But he does say this is a more minor surgery than the previous one.
Concept Coop
Footballguy
I could be naive, but if he’s on the field, I’ll genuinely be expecting top 2 TE production. 2012 was supposed to be a down year for Adrian Peterson (and Jamaal Charles) and I consider Gronk that kind of talent/freak. As long as he's not getting fat, I don't know how important it is for him to be in "game shape" week 1. I'll take an out-of-game shape Gronk over anyone but Jimmy Graham, and I'd expect him to be in game shape well before the fantasy playoffs.
Any bit of new information could change my stance, so there is risk. But assuming no setbacks, when he plays - week 1, week 3, or week 6 - I expect him to be Gronk.
KellysHeroes
Footballguy
ADP, Charles, RGIII and other ACL injuried players can atleast lift weights and also jog / run straight lines while recovering. They just can't make sharp cuts until the knee is healed. Not sure what type of off-season Gronk has had since his arm has been recovering from last season and now the back surgery will def sideline most types of workouts.
ghostguy123
Footballguy
True, but to say his season is shot even if he gets on the field the first few games is just plain silly.
What do you mean my "shot"?? If you mean not scoring like a maniac and being the top 2-3 TEs in scoring for the year, then sure.
But if this guy doesnt train all offseason but is on the field in week 1, I think he scores as a top 2 TE the 2nd half of the season. I would hardly call his season "shot" just because he would likely get off to a slow start.
I am more concerned with scoring from a player the 2nd half of the season anyway, for very obvious reasons.
Anarchy99
Footballguy
Here was an article from Gronkowski's first back surgery in 2009. His initial recovery time . . . for a similar procedure was 12 weeks. It outlines just how little he was able to do post-surgery. I'm certainly no doctor, and maybe his first disck issue was more severe than this one. But if it is the same procedure, I don't see how he plays in Week One of the season.
The same surgeon will perform this surgery. I'm guessing that whatever the Pats, Gronk's agent, or the media are speculating, the doctor thought the issue was serious enough to warrant another surgery.
http://www.azcentral.com/sports/ua/articles/2009/10/14/20091014spt-uagronkowski.html
Gronkowski to redshirt after surgery
by Ryan Finley
Oct. 14, 2009
Rob Gronkowski said he's "definitely going to redshirt" the 2009 season after undergoing surgery to fix a herniated disk and repair nerve damage in his back.
Whether he'll need the extra year of eligibility or not - well, that's a different question.
The Wildcats tight end said Wednesday that he plans on testing the NFL draft waters this spring, and would consider leaving school if he is a projected first-round pick. Gronkowski caught 75 passes for 1,197 yards and 16 touchdowns in his first two seasons with the Wildcats, an NFL-caliber resume provided he's healthy.
"You've always got to look at that option, if it's there. It's a big career opportunity," he said. "If I don't like that I get back, then I'm going to definitely come back. If it's looking solid, like I would hope to, you definitely have to look, weigh your options, and go."
Gronkowski, 20, covered a wide range of topics in his first interview since early-August, when he was shelved with the back injury.
The typically easygoing Gronkowski choked back tears when talking about not being able to play the season with his teammates - especially his brother, Chris, a senior H-back. The last few months have been "brutal," he said, in part because he couldn't contribute to the team. Arizona (3-2 overall, 1-1 Pac-10) hosts Stanford on Saturday.
"I thought this was going to be my season and the team's season," he said. "I was preparing myself in the summer really hard. I was ready to get out there and lead the team. Then I took a big hit.
"People don't understand and I might not show it, but it's been brutal on me. It's hard to watch the games. It's hard to be with the team because I want to be out there (playing) the whole time, especially with my brother. It's his last year, and I wanted to play with him. I wanted to be out there."
The injury, and subsequent surgery, scrapped his plans.
Dr. Robert G. Watkins of the Marina Spine Center (Marina Spine Center) in Marina del Rey, Calif., performed a 3 -hour microsdiscectomy on Gronkowski's back on Sept. 24. He removed a small portion of Gronkowski's spine to relieve pressure on his sciatic nerve.
It was the sciatica - leg weakness and pain brought on by a pinched nerve - that first gave Gronkowski an indication that something was wrong with his back.
With his parents' urging, Gronkowski sought out some of the nation's top back and spine specialists. He traveled to Pittsburgh and Los Angeles for consultations, and met with the best doctors in Tucson.
Most doctors urged him to undergo surgery immediately, while a few believed that he could play nine or 10 games following a monthlong, nonsurgical rehabilitation. Gronkowski felt better when he returned to practice Sept. 14; by the next day, however, the pain and weakness was back.
"After that practice, I went in and was like, 'I want to get the surgery done, get it over with, get to my future and be healthy.' "
Three weeks into his recovery, Gronkowski can't bend over to tie his shoes or twist his torso to turn around. He can stand and walk for extended periods of time, but is otherwise forbidden from physical activity.
"I sit at home eight hours a day playing video games in the recliner," he said.
Gronkowski will begin rehab in another three weeks, and should be cleared to run in a few months. If everything goes according to plan, Gronkowski could be 100 percent by Christmas.
Whether Gronkowski's health translates into an NFL contract, or another year at the UA, won't be known until well after then.
"I have no clue what's going to happen," he said. "I'm just trying to get healthy. It all depends on if I recover well or don't recover well."
The same surgeon will perform this surgery. I'm guessing that whatever the Pats, Gronk's agent, or the media are speculating, the doctor thought the issue was serious enough to warrant another surgery.
http://www.azcentral.com/sports/ua/articles/2009/10/14/20091014spt-uagronkowski.html
Gronkowski to redshirt after surgery
by Ryan Finley
Oct. 14, 2009
Rob Gronkowski said he's "definitely going to redshirt" the 2009 season after undergoing surgery to fix a herniated disk and repair nerve damage in his back.
Whether he'll need the extra year of eligibility or not - well, that's a different question.
The Wildcats tight end said Wednesday that he plans on testing the NFL draft waters this spring, and would consider leaving school if he is a projected first-round pick. Gronkowski caught 75 passes for 1,197 yards and 16 touchdowns in his first two seasons with the Wildcats, an NFL-caliber resume provided he's healthy.
"You've always got to look at that option, if it's there. It's a big career opportunity," he said. "If I don't like that I get back, then I'm going to definitely come back. If it's looking solid, like I would hope to, you definitely have to look, weigh your options, and go."
Gronkowski, 20, covered a wide range of topics in his first interview since early-August, when he was shelved with the back injury.
The typically easygoing Gronkowski choked back tears when talking about not being able to play the season with his teammates - especially his brother, Chris, a senior H-back. The last few months have been "brutal," he said, in part because he couldn't contribute to the team. Arizona (3-2 overall, 1-1 Pac-10) hosts Stanford on Saturday.
"I thought this was going to be my season and the team's season," he said. "I was preparing myself in the summer really hard. I was ready to get out there and lead the team. Then I took a big hit.
"People don't understand and I might not show it, but it's been brutal on me. It's hard to watch the games. It's hard to be with the team because I want to be out there (playing) the whole time, especially with my brother. It's his last year, and I wanted to play with him. I wanted to be out there."
The injury, and subsequent surgery, scrapped his plans.
Dr. Robert G. Watkins of the Marina Spine Center (Marina Spine Center) in Marina del Rey, Calif., performed a 3 -hour microsdiscectomy on Gronkowski's back on Sept. 24. He removed a small portion of Gronkowski's spine to relieve pressure on his sciatic nerve.
It was the sciatica - leg weakness and pain brought on by a pinched nerve - that first gave Gronkowski an indication that something was wrong with his back.
With his parents' urging, Gronkowski sought out some of the nation's top back and spine specialists. He traveled to Pittsburgh and Los Angeles for consultations, and met with the best doctors in Tucson.
Most doctors urged him to undergo surgery immediately, while a few believed that he could play nine or 10 games following a monthlong, nonsurgical rehabilitation. Gronkowski felt better when he returned to practice Sept. 14; by the next day, however, the pain and weakness was back.
"After that practice, I went in and was like, 'I want to get the surgery done, get it over with, get to my future and be healthy.' "
Three weeks into his recovery, Gronkowski can't bend over to tie his shoes or twist his torso to turn around. He can stand and walk for extended periods of time, but is otherwise forbidden from physical activity.
"I sit at home eight hours a day playing video games in the recliner," he said.
Gronkowski will begin rehab in another three weeks, and should be cleared to run in a few months. If everything goes according to plan, Gronkowski could be 100 percent by Christmas.
Whether Gronkowski's health translates into an NFL contract, or another year at the UA, won't be known until well after then.
"I have no clue what's going to happen," he said. "I'm just trying to get healthy. It all depends on if I recover well or don't recover well."
Im no doctor, but that rosen haus talk is agent speak. No back surgery involving a disk is minor. Maybe as far as back surgeries its minor, bcmostback surgeries are pretty detailed. Hes had one already. Could be looking at several items here..... Degenerative disks, scar tissue from the first surgery. You factor in the arm surgeries, and now this, when is the last time he could fully train? What kind of shape is he in now, vs another 3 months of inactivity. Not optimistic here.....
ConnSKINS26
Footballguy
ghostguy123
Footballguy
His "shape" is by far the least of my concern if I own Gronk. I am no personal trainer (hehe),but he is a 24 year old physical work our warrior freak who can get himself in game shape as quick as anyone in the league. He also seems like a giant meathead which definitely helps.
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msommer
Footballguy
With back surgery I can't think of much exercise he can actually do, even on a stationary bike you move your back, lifting weights you use your back muscles, I'd think, so what can he do as he recovers? To me the question is how long before he is in football shape and I'd be concerned to have to depend on him on my team in September. Fortunately I have Hernandez, so I can worry about him instead...
ghostguy123
Footballguy
If he sat still for 6 months straight I think he can get in game shape in a timely manner to have a big 2nd half of the year as long as he is able to move well come early SeptemberWith back surgery I can't think of much exercise he can actually do, even on a stationary bike you move your back, lifting weights you use your back muscles, I'd think, so what can he do as he recovers? To me the question is how long before he is in football shape and I'd be concerned to have to depend on him on my team in September. Fortunately I have Hernandez, so I can worry about him instead...
Warrior
Footballguy
You guys are acting like Gronk is just going to sit around and drink beer during his rehab from back surgery. The dude isn't going to turn into mush and forget how to catch a football after 10 weeks. He'll probably be doing light exercise and once he's recovered, he'll be back up to speed in no time. These are world-class atheletes we're talking about, not your average FBG.
GroveDiesel
Footballguy
My buddy recently had this surgery and wasn't allowed to jog/run or lift anything over 20 lbs for almost 3 months. It took a long time before he could even twist around all the way. My friend isn't a world class athlete, but he was in pretty good shape.
With back stuff, I'm not sure that being a world-class athlete means a whole lot other than their recovery time may be quicker. I seriously doubt he'll be allowed to lift much at all for quite a while. Pretty much any exercise at all involves the back muscles or putting strain on the spine. My bet is that he won't be able to do almost any exercise for at least a month and then just very light exercise for 2-4 weeks after that at minimum.
msommer
Footballguy
Which exercises do you think he can do while recovering from back surgery? (and only one arm...)
Dinsy Ejotuz
Footballguy
Sounds like everyone's almost 100% that Rosenhaus (and to some extent Gronk) are flat out lying when they say it's not the same surgery as the first time, that it's more minor and that the recovery time should entirely overlap with the recovery from arm surgery?
Concept Coop
Footballguy
Gronk can't move until mid-September. Ready to go week 1, but out of game shape. Week 1 projections?
I'm going 4/60/1
I'm going 4/60/1
GroveDiesel
Footballguy
I'm not sure there ARE many other procedures more minor than what he had done previously. Removing scar tissue maybe? So yeah, I'm pretty much saying that I think Gronk's agent is lying.
Dinsy Ejotuz
Footballguy
I'm split. It's possible, but I don't think it's a given.Twelve weeks from the arm surgery would be August 12th, leaving about four weeks to get back up to speed.Twelve weeks from mid-June is Week 1. Which would probably mean PUP and 4-5 weeks to get into ~game shape.And that's assuming no more setbacks.Pretty tough call. I don't think I'd take the leap in redraft, but think it's likely he'll be back in time for the 2nd half of the season.
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ghostguy123
Footballguy
Correct. This will basically be 10-12 weeks of doing NOTHING and barely moving. He will do some very light stretching stuff to keep his muscles from atrophy, but thats about it.
However, being a young guy, and a physical freak at that, I have no doubt he will get back in game shape as fast or faster than almost anyone on this planet.
Then again.................who the hell really knows exactly what he is having done.
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ghostguy123
Footballguy
KellysHeroes
Footballguy
hes a physical freak playing the most physical game on the planet against other physical freaks. yeah, if he line up against a team of FBGers as soon as he healed he'd destory us, but thats not the case. Theres a reason why when players miss training camps (Injury or hold out) get injuried or seriously strain a muscle as soon as they get back, and in most cases those players were in some type of training program while they missed camp.
ghostguy123
Footballguy
Most do. Gronk isn't most.
And NOBODY is saying he will step right in and play well. However, if anyone can get back in game shape and start producing by midseason (assuming he can play with in the first month of the season), it would be Gronk.
ghostguy123
Footballguy
Question for the Gronk lovers/haters:
12 team PPR dynasty, would you take this for Gronk...............or would you give this for Gronk............
pick 1 from
Alf Morris
Demarco Murray
Lamar Miller
and also pick 1 from
Britt
Blackmon
Maclin
Josh Gordon
Steve Johnson
and also probably a playoff looking 2014 1st
so if you have Gronk you have your choice of any one of those RB and any one of those WRs, plus a 1st.
12 team PPR dynasty, would you take this for Gronk...............or would you give this for Gronk............
pick 1 from
Alf Morris
Demarco Murray
Lamar Miller
and also pick 1 from
Britt
Blackmon
Maclin
Josh Gordon
Steve Johnson
and also probably a playoff looking 2014 1st
so if you have Gronk you have your choice of any one of those RB and any one of those WRs, plus a 1st.
Dinsy Ejotuz
Footballguy
Probably a better Q for the Asst Coach forum, but...
If I wanted to be shut of Gronk I'd take Morris and Blackmon and the first, then try to flip Morris and Blackmon, hopefully for another three firsts or a true stud.
If I wanted to be shut of Gronk I'd take Morris and Blackmon and the first, then try to flip Morris and Blackmon, hopefully for another three firsts or a true stud.
ghostguy123
Footballguy
Figured I would throw it in the 8 page Gronk thread that a million people seem to be looking at.....................also just to gauge just how many peopel realy have devalued him. A few months ago, this was a HELL NO for everyone I think.
Rhythmdoctor
Footballguy
I'm going to say Gronk starts off on PUP and doesn't play a down until after the Patriot's bye week. Honestly, I think any speculation more optimistic than mine is wishful thinking. He won't be able to do ANYTHING for 3 months. So you have to expect a good 4-6 of recovery after the recovery because he will basically be unable to move for the initial 12 weeks.
ghostguy123
Footballguy
Gronk will come out of cryostasis and be balling 2 days later
Just an FYI, he doesn't have to lay motionless in a bed for 12 weeks. He can't "train", but he isn't going to go into full body atrophy either.
Dinsy Ejotuz
Footballguy
ghostguy123
Footballguy
That speculation is NOT true though. He will not be as immobile as some people seem to think. He certainly won't be able to practice and get in game shape, but by the time he is cleared for contact roughly 12-16 weeks after surgery, he will have been able to do plenty of cardio to the point where he will be able to get himself in game shape enough to be effective within a couple weeks. I do think he misses SOME games though. Might be 1, might be a few.
Rhythmdoctor
Footballguy
Those who think he will be able to "train" during the initial 12 weeks after surgery - what's your basis for saying that? Do any of you have experience with back surgery and the recovery time afterwards? I'll admit I don't. I've never personally had back surgery myself but know exactly 2 people who have. I've also read Gronk interviews about his back surgery in college. All 3 instances seem consistent that you pretty much do NOTHING for three months following. Can't run, can't ride a bike, can't swim. Every motion you do in life requires participation from your back. I just can't see him being able to enough of anything to actually train, certainly not enough cardio to actually matter. I'd be shocked if he's doing anything more than very light stretching and moving during the first 12 weeks.
I'm asking real questions because I'm not fully in the know and I am somewhat speculating, although my speculation is based on indirect experience.
So to assume Gronk will go from barely any movement to playing just a week or two later seems overly optimistic if not wildly speculative and unrealistic. I own Gronk in a dynasty and have every motivation to want him back ASAP but I just don't see it going down like that if I'm being rational and realistic. He's too young and too dynamic for the Pats to push him. Plus, I'm just not sure his body will allow it. Again, hope I'm wrong but unless he'll be able to run/swim/ride, I don't see him playing for at least 6 weeks after the initial 12 week recovery phase.
I'm asking real questions because I'm not fully in the know and I am somewhat speculating, although my speculation is based on indirect experience.
So to assume Gronk will go from barely any movement to playing just a week or two later seems overly optimistic if not wildly speculative and unrealistic. I own Gronk in a dynasty and have every motivation to want him back ASAP but I just don't see it going down like that if I'm being rational and realistic. He's too young and too dynamic for the Pats to push him. Plus, I'm just not sure his body will allow it. Again, hope I'm wrong but unless he'll be able to run/swim/ride, I don't see him playing for at least 6 weeks after the initial 12 week recovery phase.
gianmarco
Footballguy
In terms of dynasty, why would it matter if Gronk isn't up to form until later in the year? Gronk could miss all of 2013 and it doesn't change his dynasty value, IMO. Unless you think this hampers his longterm outlook (i.e. will never get back to form), then there's a ton of overreaction in here. I don't even care if he plays beyond 30. I'll take 3 years of The Gronk and pay top dollar for it. He gives you an advantage no other player in FF can over pretty much every team except Graham owners.
pittstownkiller
Footballguy
What offers?
az_prof
Footballguy
Back surgery is serious. Another thing he has to contend with that other top players in his situation might not is a backup who is capable of being just as dominant in his absence. That means the team can take their time in bringing him back and may adjust his playing time to save on his body after he does come back. I agree with the poster who said he will start on PUP. I wouldn't want him as my TE1 in redraft. In dynasty, if I could get him cheap I would but if I owned him I would be selling. TE is a position that puts a very hard strain on the body and Gronk's body appears to be susceptible to injury. What makes guys like Gonzo and Gates really unique is that they had such durability at a tough position while producing so well. I don't think Gronk is going to be one of those guys.
ghostguy123
Footballguy
Yes you can run and swim well within 12 weeks after surgery assuming routine successful surgery. This whole "cant move for 12 weeks thing" is just flat out false.
That doesn't mean he wont be back till week 6, but he isnt going to be ####### bedridden for 3-4 months. I mean, I do know about back surgery being a nurse, but just search the procedure on yahoo or google and look up recovery. People are back to work in 10 days much of the time. I realize they are not football players, but by week 6 or earlier doctors ENCOURAGE you to exercise and stretch because it speeds healing time.
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KellysHeroes
Footballguy
KellysHeroes
Footballguy
my Gronk offseason went as follows
Traded Alf Morris for him when he was needing the 4th arm surgery, thought that was a steal. When the Back surgery was announced I traded him for Hakeem Nicks (was offered a J Charles package but needed a WR badly since Crabtree went down; ended up getting Charles anyway)..
Dinsy Ejotuz
Footballguy
You're saying that they won't play Gronk in September if he's healthy to save him for the playoffs? I don't buy that. He'll play when he's healthy IMO.
All this bit about 12 weeks totally immobile is coming from a surgeon without knowledge of Gronk's case and assumes the surgery is exactly the same as he had last time. What we've heard from people who ought to know is that it's not as big a surgery as the last one, and that the recovery should coincide with that of the arm surgery -- which would mean that in ~8-10 weeks he'll be able to train again.
They might be lying. The Pats are notoriously tight-lipped about injuries and if they could sow enough confusion during Weeks 1-4 that their opponents had to consider Gronk in their game-planning the Pats would probably do it.
But the people who ought to know might not be lying too. And we have no way of knowing either way.
Anarchy99
Footballguy
I.m not suggesting that the Pats will sit Gronk half the season just because. They will play him when it is an appropriate time for him to play. But at this point (or at the start of the season), there is a lot less pressing need for him to rush back. They rushed him back from his ankle surgery to play in the SB when he really shouldn't have. They rushed him back from his broken arm and it got reinjured. (I have no idea if him trying to make it back for a playoff run had anything to do with breaking his arm a second time.) the Bottom line, the Pats offense suffered twice when Gronk couldn't go (and they struggled without him).
I already copied and pasted an article when Gronk was in college and had the same surgical procedure performed by the same doctor decribing a 12-week period of mostly inactivity. I'm not suggesting the guy will be in traction for 3 months, nor do I think in 3 months the guy will hit the field running at 100%. But the first surgery caused Gronk to miss an entire season (based on the poor timing of the surgery). If Gronk was available to play, Arizona played a bowl game 13 weeks after his surgery and it appears that was never really an option. I make no claim whatsover to being a doctor, so maybe this surgery could be more minor than the first one was (and with a shorter recovery time). All I can say is I have yet to see the procedure described that way.
That also ignores that Gronk hasn't been doing much in rehabbing his long standing arm issues. What we don't know is how much his back has been bothering him and if that preveneted him from doing any type of workouts altogether. As I said, if the Pats could ensure that Gronk was available and at 100% for all games December and beyond this year, I am pretty sure they would sacrifice him missing time early in the season.
Maybe the procedure Gronk is having is something different than he had before (and thus the media is mislabelling what he needs done). But at this point Gronk owners (or potential owners) should be concerned that there is a decent chance he misses actual game time this year.
ghostguy123
Footballguy
Are you actually implying he has the same value if he were to play 3 years as opposed to if he played till in his 30s?? Also that his value is the SAME if he were put on IR and missed the whole 2013 season??
Seems rather insane
ghostguy123
Footballguy
so you made a great trade, then an awful trade. I would prefer Morris over Nicks, and Gronk MAYBE over both together
ghostguy123
Footballguy
My credentials are that I am a registered nurse and I know what a microdiscectomy is (assuming that his what he is actually having done).
I also know the difference between someone in the general public who NEEDS this surgery, and Gronk. If Gronk was not a football player he would not NEED this surgery right now, and might not for 20+ years, if ever. From all indications, knowing what I know about this procedure, if he is moving around the way people say he is then this surgery is only a need for someone who plays football, not us normal people. The general public and there wonderful insurance will not allow someone to get back surgery unless they are in serious NEED of that surgery.
That said, the surgery should go much smoother than someone with a more serious issue, and the recovery should be much smoother.
If you are asking for anything more specific, well, nobody alive except Gronk's doctor who is about the perform the surgery can give you anything more specific, since we don't know EXACTLY what is going on. Generalazations on this will be pretty accurate if it is indeed a microdscectomy, but if you want exact specifics you wont get them at this time from anywhere.
So recapping, if he is indeed getting a microdiscectomy, from my professional experience in healthcare, the "12 weeks" you keep hearing about will be his timetable to be able to get back to "football related" activities. Maybe not contact just yet at that point, but he will be able to do light cardio, swimming, and other things BEFORE that 12 week mark, and he should be able to do enough to get his body to the point where he is almost full-go at 12 weeks.
That coupled with the fact he is a much more impressive physical specimen that any of us who would get back surgery, plus he is YOUNGER than most people who get this procedure, plus he is part of an organization that will provide him with better rehab for this procedure than anyone of us in the general public would get.............................................and you will see his recovery time happen faster than any of us who would get this procedure.
Bottom line, I do think he misses SOME time, but when he is able to return to football activities and hitting, it won't take too long for him to get back in a game, prolly 2 weeks from that point, for me that puts him around week 4-5, so PUP is definitely possible, but right after PUP he should be full-go.
Rhythmdoctor
Footballguy
Regarding the first bolded statement - that's not what I've heard. Did you read that Gronk interview from after his first surgery in college? Sounds like he was laying around playing video games the whole time because he wasn't allowed to exercise.
How do you know what procedure is being done? Unless new information has surfaced since Friday, I didn't think that information was available. Aren't you speculating on the procedure?
And you're also comparing an office worker to an NFL TE? I'm pretty sure if you can sit in a chair at home, you can probably do the same in an office. That sliver of information does nothing to support your opinion.
I don't know, man. You seem to be awfully defensive about Gronk's availability to start the season, especially given the fact that we don't know anything concrete at the moment. Regardless of anybody's experience with back surgery, I'm certain very few of us, if any, have an inkling of Gronk's actual "back-on-field" time table. You're a nurse and I know people who had back surgery. I also have 2 friends who are doctors. Who gives a chit?! Any predictive post is purely opinion and speculative at this point, so to get your panties in a bunch over who is right or wrong seems like wasted energy.
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