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QB Kirk Cousins, ATL (18 Viewers)
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The Frankman
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Biabreakable
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After 11 games Kirk Cousins is on pace for 465 passing attempts 328 completions 4009 yards 31 TD 4 interceptions.
This is very similar to the numbers he put up with the Vikings last season, except on 23% fewer pass attempts.
This is very similar to the numbers he put up with the Vikings last season, except on 23% fewer pass attempts.
The Frankman
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Biabreakable
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With 12 games played Kirk Cousin currently has 358 passing attempts 248 completions (69.3%) 3032 yards 23 TD 4 interceptions/
This is on pace for 477 pass attempts 331 completions (69/3%) 4043 yards 31 TD 5 interceptions.
Last year Cousins had 4298 yards and 30 TD but with 129 more passing attempts.
The reason I bring this up is that most projections for Cousins before the season predicted the decline in passing attempts for Cousins this season and that looks like it will be correct, however the production on those attempts was predicted to be much less.
When volume goes down efficiency goes up.
This is on pace for 477 pass attempts 331 completions (69/3%) 4043 yards 31 TD 5 interceptions.
Last year Cousins had 4298 yards and 30 TD but with 129 more passing attempts.
The reason I bring this up is that most projections for Cousins before the season predicted the decline in passing attempts for Cousins this season and that looks like it will be correct, however the production on those attempts was predicted to be much less.
When volume goes down efficiency goes up.
Heatman
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I'm not sure I want this to happen. I would love to see them draft a QB this year and have him sit a year under Kirk. I like Kirk but I'm not sold on him being able to take this team all the way. He puts up good numbers and plays great against weaker competition and even decent teams when he feels like he has to prove himself. But when it counts against the teams he needs to beat in the playoffs more often than not he struggles.
mr roboto
Footballguy
He’s a top 5 QB in the league w/out Thielen right now. I understand the ‘hrs not clutch’ concern (which I somewhat overblown IMO) but he’s a guy you can rely on to play every week. Look how he’s responded after a tough first month. That’s impressive.
https://www.pff.com/news/nfl-quarterback-rankings-entering-week-14-2019
Heatman
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I agree it's impressive. But prior to that stretch the media and fans were pretty hard on him for his play in clutch situations. So he did have a major chip on his shoulder during that stretch which he even admitted. If they are going to keep him that's fine but do we have to keep ripping on him to get him to play at his optimum level? Or can he sustain it even when being praised? I know that sounds ridiculous but it seems to be what motivates him. Heck thinking about it that's what motivates this whole team imo. Whenever they have a good stretch and "Superbowl" talk starts they come out and lay an egg in a big way, usually in the playoffs. After the "Minneapolis Miracle" I thought maybe they had finally turned the corner in that respect... until they laid an egg against Philly.
I guess my point is I would like to see him have that drive to win no matter what. Quite frankly I have not seen that from him yet.
On a side note they also need to continue to strengthen that O-line. For him or for whoever. This year has been better but there is still a lot of room for improvement and if that happens it could very well solve a lot of issues. Even with a decent but not great O-line the offense seems to be trending towards being the strength of the team while the defense is faltering.
Understand I'm not ripping on him or the team because I don't like them. I am simply stating what I believe needs to happen in order for them to be serious contenders. As a lifelong Vikings fan I've seen it time and time again where they are favored heavily in a critical game and simply are not up to the challenge.
mr roboto
Footballguy
I get it. 30 years of watching this team come up small in the big moments.
The comeback vs Denver and then the near comeback vs Seattle were impressive to me on the offense. It’s the Defense I’m most worried about. If we draft anybody to eventually replace a high paid starter there are 2-3 players on the D I’d pick over the QB position.
Heatman
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The Frankman
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FunkyPlutos
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I don't think it can be stated enough how bad this WR corps is without Thielen. I know Diggs is good but there is NOTHING behind him right now. The year Cousins is having is remarkable, all things considered.
mr roboto
Footballguy
And Diggs is not a dominant WR1 type either. Not a 12 target a game guy.
I agree. This is a patchwork receiving group.
Biabreakable
Footballguy
Yeah Bisi Johnson is making progress I guess? The TD he had is a play that Theilen would run. He made the play. Hopefully he continues to improve.FunkyPlutos said:
Treadwell has actually made the most of his opportunities now with his second chance with the team.
I don't know if you want either of them as the WR 3 but maybe they could be okay there considering how infrequently the Vikings use 11 personnel but you do not want these players as your WR 2.
Gioing back to Cousins I certainly think he has earned what the Vikings have paid him and they made the best choice available to them at that time. I am happy with it.
As far as giving Cousins an extension as has been a talker I do not think the Vikings have to do that at all. The guarnteed nature of the contract and the commitment put forth by the Vikings to Cousins is enough. The salary cap situation is such that the only reason the Vikings extend him is to help that situation, and the QB market being what it is since Cousins signed his deal I am not seeing how that could be, although the Vikings have had players to agree to team friendly deals before, and the Vikings players do seem to want to stay with the team, even if they make a little less than they could get in free agency before.
I do wonder what happens with Cousins next season wtih Stefanski most likely getting a head coaching job.
PinkydaPimp
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az_prof
Footballguy
As a Vikings' fan, I've seen enough. He is good enough to win a few games but not good enough to win the big games or win a Super Bowl. I hope the Vikings move on but not sure how they can. I would like to see Zimmer fired too. That team wasted Randy Moss' best years, ADPs best years, and a great defense. Now they are probably going to waste Dalvin Cook.
Cjw_55106
Footballguy
You realize that “moving on” means you draft a Haskins or Drew Lock type of player, correct?
Unless you are able to land Lamar Jackson, no quarterback will succeed with this offensive line.
Biabreakable
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The roll outs an ways they have disguised how poorly the Vikings offensive line protects are things the Packers are very aware of. In the first game they ignored the run and always went for the QB instead. In the first game Dalvin Cook almost beat them because of it. No Cook the 2nd time around to take advantage of that.
This is why I am done with Kirk Cousins as the starter for the Vikings. If you can't beat the Packers then what is the point?
A large part of the reason ZImmer was brought in to coach the Vikings is because of his success against Rodgers over his career. That edge doesn't seem to be there anymore. Despite all the high draft picks they are not covering well enough. This is ZImmers specialty and the quality of their play has really slipped.
Kirk Cousins contract is fully guaranteed for $31 million in the 2020 season. They have to pay him that regardless of what else they do.
Maybe they could trade him, otherwise he is the starter for the Vikings next season.
BigJim®
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Here's an idea: How about we stop trying to assess QBs until the Vikes get serious about OL? Regardless of what they do at QB, they won't have better success against either Green Bay or Chicago until they can win trenches, same as it ever was.
DallasDMac
Footballguy
What's to assess? He's been remarkably consistent throughout his career. He is what he is. The Vikings should have know exactly what they were getting. He's performed the same for Minn as he did in Wash. Gaudy stats, mind blowing gaffs at key moments, can't win a meaningful game.
mr roboto
Footballguy
3 turn overs in the first half. That’s Zimm vs ARod. He still has his number.
The offensive game plane was ####### embarrassing.
BigJim®
Footballguy
I know nothing I say is going to change your/Bia's mind, but I'll just say I totally agree Cousins is what he is: An above average QB who has pinpoint accuracy with the deep ball (something the Vikes haven't had in 2 decades other than a Favre season) **when he has time to operate.** He's also what most QBs in this league not named Brady/Brees are: More likely to make mistakes when the pass protection crumbles around him. It just makes me shake my head when I see chatter of moving on from a QB who has a 26 TD/6 INT ratio. Where do you go to improve that... a rookie? A veteran journeyman? Then what, watch that guy get 2-3 seconds to work miracles? No, you do what it takes to give the guy (or someone else) a better chance to use his talents.
The problem for literally a decade + has been front office failures finding an offensive line who can compete against what divisional foes bring at DL. In all likelihood the Vikes will be swept by both Green Bay and Chicago, yet finish 10-2 against everyone else. Chicago handed the Vikes their a**es twice last season, including a meaningless (for them) week 17 game that cost the Vikes a playoff spot. The front office response was to move an undersized center to become a grossly undersized guard, draft a new undersized center, and bring in a so-so FA to play the other guard. Reiff is a mess on an island without a strong guard next to him, and the interior line gets collapsed like a folding chair against defenses of any quality. The Vikes had a chance to draft a mauling guard in Will Hernandez, who I think is doing well in New York. Certainly he'd make more of a positive impact for this team's success than Hughes has.
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Biabreakable
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I agree the defense did well enough for them to win the game and I think the adjustments ZImmer has been making have improved the coverage somewhat.
Its somewhat surprising how the defense has been creating turnovers. Its like they have morphed into a big play defense recently, thats different than how they have been in previous years. Its still changing.
It wasn't good against the run once Kendricks and Barr left the game, but the defense had been on the field too long by that point anyways due to the inability of the offense to block and get a 1st down.
That is on the offense, not the defense I agree.
I was just talking about ZImmer in relation toi the importance of the Vikings beating the Packers. Its not a successful season when you get swept by your division opponents (besides Detroit).
As I said in the team thread to me the game was lost before they even did the coin flip. Kirk Cousins does not believe in himself. He was wound up way too tight and he was nervous. He was throwing at the dirt to start off the game.
I was listening to Mike Boone earlier and he was talking about how a team can just believe in themselves play their best and be successful that way, but there are times where you can just look at your team mate and realize well ok maybe we are not going to play well today. He doesn't say this about any specific player, but that is exactly how I have felt about Cousins in these games. He just shuts down when things are not going well around him. In the most recent game things were going well around him, he just failed to find the open receivers and get the ball out.
Judge Smails
Footballguy
Give the man props. Well done
Mark Football
Footballguy
Has Cousins proven the doubters wrong by beating the saints?
fatness
Footballguy
He's taken a step in that direction, yeah. He led his team to a win in a vital game for once. Once doesn't disprove doubters (like me). But it's a step toward doing so.
fred_1_15301
Footballguy
Out of all the QBs left, I hope this guy wins the super bowl
Biabreakable
Footballguy
It helps. It is a step in the right direction. He beat the Saints in more decisive fashion than Case Keenum did.
I am not sure what side of this I am on. I have been a Cousins supporter for most of his career but he has played so poorly in some key games it is hard for me to say he has turned a corner or over a new leaf.
Cousins turns into a pumpkin in some games. I can't really explain it. When it happens you see it pretty much from the start of the game and he doesn't pull out of it. Cameron Jordan is right, you just never know which Cousin is going to show up.
