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QB Kirk Cousins, ATL (1 Viewer)

Like, there are morons working in the NFL aren't there? I swear, coaching and management in pro sports generally is full of lucky chancers who live off other people's talent.
 
Hard to swallow now, but big picture I love this pick. Cousins is really on a 3 YR, $135M deal. Packer playbook move.
 
Hard to swallow now, but big picture I love this pick. Cousins is really on a 3 YR, $135M deal. Packer playbook move.
This was a stupid pick.
Packers never used a top 10 pick to make this move.

There is a gulf of value between pick #8 and a late first.
True, and very true.

I like Penix and think he has a high floor and underappreciated upside. Macro view, if this locks up having a solid QB for the next 10-15 years, I don't care what pick it took to make it happen.
 
According to NFL Network’s Daniel Jeremiah, Kirk Cousin’s agent was not told that the Falcons planned to draft Michael Penix with the eighth pick in the 2024 NFL Draft.

Speaking during NFL Network’s live draft coverage, Jeremiah mentioned that he reached out to Cousin’s agent, Mike McCartney, who said that neither he nor Cousins were given a heads-up by the Falcons that they were going to take Penix. Considering the Falcons just signed Cousins to a four-year, $180 million contract, the fact that the Falcons would draft a quarterback in the first round and also not tell Cousins is doubly shocking. Penix is also one of the older quarterbacks in the class at 24 years old, so he’ll be 28 by the time Cousins’ contract is over. This certainly doesn’t seem like a situation where the Falcons plan to have both players on the roster for a long time, but what their exact plan is remains anybody’s guess.
 
According to NFL Network’s Daniel Jeremiah, Kirk Cousin’s agent was not told that the Falcons planned to draft Michael Penix with the eighth pick in the 2024 NFL Draft.

Speaking during NFL Network’s live draft coverage, Jeremiah mentioned that he reached out to Cousin’s agent, Mike McCartney, who said that neither he nor Cousins were given a heads-up by the Falcons that they were going to take Penix. Considering the Falcons just signed Cousins to a four-year, $180 million contract, the fact that the Falcons would draft a quarterback in the first round and also not tell Cousins is doubly shocking. Penix is also one of the older quarterbacks in the class at 24 years old, so he’ll be 28 by the time Cousins’ contract is over. This certainly doesn’t seem like a situation where the Falcons plan to have both players on the roster for a long time, but what their exact plan is remains anybody’s guess.
not sure you can really tell him prior to the pick as you don't want to run the risk of word getting out
 
Like, there are morons working in the NFL aren't there? I swear, coaching and management in pro sports Generally is full of lucky chancers who live off other people's talent.
It's not just the NFL. I've worked in Corporate America since '94. I've probably worked at a dozen big companies either as a contractor or full time. My summation is this - people "at the top" really only have one skill: endurance. They are willing to stay through the bull**** that other people aren't and they end up being the last person standing.
 
Something not mentioned here is how unhappy Penix is and will be. He went from being a sure starter to a benchwarmer for YEARS while his classmates are performing and increasing their value. And he’s sitting there watching his career being wasted.
 
Something not mentioned here is how unhappy Penix is and will be. He went from being a sure starter to a benchwarmer for YEARS while his classmates are performing and increasing their value. And he’s sitting there watching his career being wasted.
Said Aaron Rodgers.

Of course it's not great for Penix. But that's short term vision. It may work out very well.
 
Something not mentioned here is how unhappy Penix is and will be. He went from being a sure starter to a benchwarmer for YEARS while his classmates are performing and increasing their value. And he’s sitting there watching his career being wasted.
Said Aaron Rodgers.

Of course it's not great for Penix. But that's short term vision. It may work out very well.
Penix is probably only sitting for 1 year.
 
Something not mentioned here is how unhappy Penix is and will be. He went from being a sure starter to a benchwarmer for YEARS while his classmates are performing and increasing their value. And he’s sitting there watching his career being wasted.
Said Aaron Rodgers.

Of course it's not great for Penix. But that's short term vision. It may work out very well.
Penix is probably only sitting for 1 year.
what a colossal error by super villain blank’s falcons. penix is 24 in 2 weeks. realistically, cousins has a 3 year deal, unless you want 90mm in dead cap now, 50mm in 2025 or 25mm in 2026. you only have 12.5mm dead after the 3rd year, but then penix is 27 having not played with a decision on his expiring rookie deal looming. at least by sitting for 3 years he can’t retear his ACLs or dislocate his shoulders. so there’s that.
 
Something not mentioned here is how unhappy Penix is and will be. He went from being a sure starter to a benchwarmer for YEARS while his classmates are performing and increasing their value. And he’s sitting there watching his career being wasted.
Said Aaron Rodgers.

Of course it's not great for Penix. But that's short term vision. It may work out very well.
I always love the hypocrisy with QBs.
They need to sit. The game's too fast and offenses too complex.
They need to play. Ya can't hand someone experience.

They can play til they're 40.
How many years are you really gonna get out of a 25 year old QB prospect?

There's a million of em
 
Something not mentioned here is how unhappy Penix is and will be. He went from being a sure starter to a benchwarmer for YEARS while his classmates are performing and increasing their value. And he’s sitting there watching his career being wasted.
He'll just have to find a way to enjoy his multimillion dollar salary. It's gonna be rough but I think he can do it
 
Something not mentioned here is how unhappy Penix is and will be. He went from being a sure starter to a benchwarmer for YEARS while his classmates are performing and increasing their value. And he’s sitting there watching his career being wasted.
Said Aaron Rodgers.

Of course it's not great for Penix. But that's short term vision. It may work out very well.
Penix is probably only sitting for 1 year.
what a colossal error by super villain blank’s falcons. penix is 24 in 2 weeks. realistically, cousins has a 3 year deal, unless you want 90mm in dead cap now, 50mm in 2025 or 25mm in 2026. you only have 12.5mm dead after the 3rd year, but then penix is 27 having not played with a decision on his expiring rookie deal looming. at least by sitting for 3 years he can’t retear his ACLs or dislocate his shoulders. so there’s that.
I didn't like the pick at all yesterday.
I don't generally like QBs sitting and everyone seemed to be in agreement in a very unusual way.
Pat Kirwan said something like- if not Blank then someone said, someone said "don't ever let this happen again" about the QB room and that's what Fontenot did.
It's a guess but...I can imagine it too.

I said it a few times this off-season Fontenot is exceptional about getting types of players he's asked to. I love the unselfishness.

Falcons need defense and DL and they are readily available in the second. Later in the draft, unless you like Rattler, there doesn't seem to be a QB they'd want to develop.

Don't get me wrong. I still wouldn't do it, but I suppose I can see some logic to it now
 
Kirk Cousins job hasn't changed. It's playoffs. 10-7 in that conference gets them there.
What he does this year determines what happens next year.
 
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Like, there are morons working in the NFL aren't there? I swear, coaching and management in pro sports Generally is full of lucky chancers who live off other people's talent.
It's not just the NFL. I've worked in Corporate America since '94. I've probably worked at a dozen big companies either as a contractor or full time. My summation is this - people "at the top" really only have one skill: endurance. They are willing to stay through the bull**** that other people aren't and they end up being the last person standing.

AKA: "Failing Upward"...
 
According to NFL Network’s Daniel Jeremiah, Kirk Cousin’s agent was not told that the Falcons planned to draft Michael Penix with the eighth pick in the 2024 NFL Draft.

Speaking during NFL Network’s live draft coverage, Jeremiah mentioned that he reached out to Cousin’s agent, Mike McCartney, who said that neither he nor Cousins were given a heads-up by the Falcons that they were going to take Penix. Considering the Falcons just signed Cousins to a four-year, $180 million contract, the fact that the Falcons would draft a quarterback in the first round and also not tell Cousins is doubly shocking. Penix is also one of the older quarterbacks in the class at 24 years old, so he’ll be 28 by the time Cousins’ contract is over. This certainly doesn’t seem like a situation where the Falcons plan to have both players on the roster for a long time, but what their exact plan is remains anybody’s guess.
not sure you can really tell him prior to the pick as you don't want to run the risk of word getting out
Was anyone going to trade up to 1.07 to snipe Penix?
 
According to NFL Network’s Daniel Jeremiah, Kirk Cousin’s agent was not told that the Falcons planned to draft Michael Penix with the eighth pick in the 2024 NFL Draft.

Speaking during NFL Network’s live draft coverage, Jeremiah mentioned that he reached out to Cousin’s agent, Mike McCartney, who said that neither he nor Cousins were given a heads-up by the Falcons that they were going to take Penix. Considering the Falcons just signed Cousins to a four-year, $180 million contract, the fact that the Falcons would draft a quarterback in the first round and also not tell Cousins is doubly shocking. Penix is also one of the older quarterbacks in the class at 24 years old, so he’ll be 28 by the time Cousins’ contract is over. This certainly doesn’t seem like a situation where the Falcons plan to have both players on the roster for a long time, but what their exact plan is remains anybody’s guess.
not sure you can really tell him prior to the pick as you don't want to run the risk of word getting out
Was anyone going to trade up to 1.07 to snipe Penix?
possibly. a lot of teams were reportedly interested. who knows if the reports are accurate or not but no reason to take the risk
 
Kirk Cousins job hasn't changed. It's playoffs. 10-7 in that conference gets them there.
What he does this year determines what happens next year.
but if they eat cousins next year isn’t it a 50mm cap hit?
Do you mean 2025 cut? Post June 1st that would be $40 Million.
post 6/1, but those things confuse me…..either way, don’t draft a guy if you need to take a 40-50mm cap hit to have him play. i am shuked.
 
Hard to swallow now, but big picture I love this pick. Cousins is really on a 3 YR, $135M deal. Packer playbook move.
The four seasons prior to the Packers selecting Rodgers with a late first they went 12-4, 12-4, 10-6 and 10-6 making the playoffs each of those years.

The Falcons, on the other hand, haven’t gotten over .500 or made playoffs in the past 6 seasons.

You don’t use a top 10 pick on QB after making Cousins the 7th highest paid qb.
 
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Kirk Cousins has been a favorite of mine for a while. He is or was undervalued in the leagues I play in, which are dynasty leagues or salary cap contract leagues. With his consistent play and numbers, I have won multiple titles with him at the helm. I can see one more title I could have had last season had he stayed healthy. I would not underestimate him, but it seems concerning the Falcons' decision to draft Penix Jr. so high, and with so much draft capital, the risk is now a bit higher, in my opinion. I only have him in one of my leagues now, and I think a two-year window is the best I can hope for. He has a no-trade clause, so that is not an option for the Falcons unless he agrees. I think at 35, this is Kirk's last stop. Is selling the best choice if he has a successful window of 3 to 4 games? Or is it better to ride the Kirk Cousins wave till he drives off into the sunset in his beat-up van?
 
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“It's only OTAs, but Cousins has been highly impressive, as much on the field as off it - and his Achilles, now seven months removed from being surgically repaired, hasn't yet been a problem.”
 
I have Kirk in a few 1 QB dynasty leagues and have been grabbing Pennix in the 3rd and even 4th - huge discount for a QB taken 6th overall. Could have both playing for a few years as well.
 
Currently ranked as QB18, since taking over for RG3 in 2015, his only season below that was last year, when he finished QB24, in only 8 games! He has never been below QB18 PPG.
 
Currently ranked as QB18, since taking over for RG3 in 2015, his only season below that was last year, when he finished QB24, in only 8 games! He has never been below QB18 PPG.
He's also never torn his Achilles tendon, and he's getting a downgrade in weapons around him. QB18 seems pretty fair to me.

I do kinda wonder if both the Falcons/Jets offenses are being a little overrated, while both should have better QB play than they've had in a few years (longer for the Jets) I also think its pretty unrealistic to expect Cousins or Rodgers to be what they were before. Some of the guys I see Garrett Wilson going ahead of (AJ Brown, Taylor, even saw Amon-Ra once) is pretty mind blowing.

The only guys on either team I find myself getting in drafts lately is Pitts (and that's not happening much anymore with Andrews starting to fall to the 5-6 turn) and Allgeier as a late flier.
 
He's also never torn his Achilles tendon, and he's getting a downgrade in weapons around him. QB18 seems pretty fair to me.
We don't have alot of data on QB's tearing their Achilles, but the most famous is probably Dan Marino. He tore his in game 5 when he was 32. He came back the next year and threw for more yards and more TD's than he did the previous 7 seasons. Dan played until age 38. The other QB I found was Vinny Testaverde, who tore his at age 35. The next year he came back and threw for his 2nd most yards of his career, and continued playing until age 44. Are there other QB's who have Achilles tears that I am forgetting? It would be nice to have more than just 2 QB's to compare.
 
He's also never torn his Achilles tendon, and he's getting a downgrade in weapons around him. QB18 seems pretty fair to me.
We don't have alot of data on QB's tearing their Achilles, but the most famous is probably Dan Marino. He tore his in game 5 when he was 32. He came back the next year and threw for more yards and more TD's than he did the previous 7 seasons. Dan played until age 38. The other QB I found was Vinny Testaverde, who tore his at age 35. The next year he came back and threw for his 2nd most yards of his career, and continued playing until age 44. Are there other QB's who have Achilles tears that I am forgetting? It would be nice to have more than just 2 QB's to compare.
Yeah, I’m not at all concerned about this injury.
Penix being drafted is the only cause for concern imo. Partly because they wanted him, partly because they may have felt they needed him.
 
He's also never torn his Achilles tendon, and he's getting a downgrade in weapons around him. QB18 seems pretty fair to me.
We don't have alot of data on QB's tearing their Achilles, but the most famous is probably Dan Marino. He tore his in game 5 when he was 32. He came back the next year and threw for more yards and more TD's than he did the previous 7 seasons. Dan played until age 38. The other QB I found was Vinny Testaverde, who tore his at age 35. The next year he came back and threw for his 2nd most yards of his career, and continued playing until age 44. Are there other QB's who have Achilles tears that I am forgetting? It would be nice to have more than just 2 QB's to compare.
Yeah, I’m not at all concerned about this injury.
Penix being drafted is the only cause for concern imo. Partly because they wanted him, partly because they may have felt they needed him.
The Falcons gave Cousins a mega-contract on 13 Mar 2024, and drafted Penix on 25 Apr 2024. They already knew Cousins had tore his Achilles, so unless they learned his leg had fallen off in the 43 day gap, I have to believe they want Penix to learn for a year (or more), like the Packers did with both Rodgers and Love.
 
I am serious when I ask this question - besides Aaron Rodgers, Kirk Cousins, Dan Marino, and Vinny Testaverde, can anyone name another QB that tore their Achilles in the past 30 years? I have searched and can find players at other positions, but not QB. Anyone?
 
I am serious when I ask this question - besides Aaron Rodgers, Kirk Cousins, Dan Marino, and Vinny Testaverde, can anyone name another QB that tore their Achilles in the past 30 years? I have searched and can find players at other positions, but not QB. Anyone?
Well, I tore my achilles about 15 years ago and it ruined my pickup basketball career but I can still throw darts in the back yard with a mini football to my son and his friends. So that should go into your research of another QB not affected by an achilles tear.
 

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