I am not saying the sky is falling. But some of the media already is saying this year is different. The squabbling. The porous defense. The injuries. Brady's age. The lack of receivers. The lack of elite talent. "This year just feels different."Why would the sky be falling? September is never their best month under Belichick, and they were beaten by a better all-around team.
The media = dopes.I am not saying the sky is falling. But some of the media already is saying this year is different. The squabbling. The porous defense. The injuries. Brady's age. The lack of receivers. The lack of elite talent. "This year just feels different."
I know that, and you know that, but it doesn't stop the media from trying to pinpoint the start of the fall of the Patriots.The media = dopes.
I always assume the Patriots will get it together and be the team to beat in the AFC by the time December rolls around, but the Jags are a legit great team that can overtake them in the AFC. It's not like they lost to the Redskins or Bills.
I would go back even earlier. NE missed the long FG on their first drive and then stopped the Jags short on third down on a pass to Westbrook that would have been a three and out. But Trey Flowers punched the ball out, it bounced right between two NE defenders and into DJ Chark's arms running in stride who took it for a first down. So instead of either a stop at midfield or a turnover taken into Jags territory, the drive continued for a TD. Next possession Cole had the insane circus catch when they needed 15 yards for a first. All that signified to me that it was going to be a long day for NE as things were just not breaking their way.Pats came out really flat and still could have been in the game except two key offensive series hurt them. The 16 play, 8 minute drive in the first half where they had to settle for a FG and turning the ball back to Jacksonville right after the INT were killers.
? To me, Michel looked like Gillislee. He got the yards that were given to him, nothing more, except for maybe one run in garbage time when JAX was up 2 scores, were willing to give the run, where Michel actually made a guy miss.I’m the opposite as I took some positives from the game. Michel looked a lot like Lewis in limited snaps. If Gordon busts out they drop 1.5 rounds in the draft to find out. If he works out even as a decoy it was well worth the 5th round pick. Regardless, Edelman is back which will help the offense a great deal. Gilmore looks great while Butler looks horrible after two games. The defense will get better once the coaches have more film on teams. Most of their tough games are at home and I can’t see them losing the division.
Depth is a concern so it will probably come down to how healthy they are come playoff time.
EXHIBIT A that people think that the sky is falling. I am wasting my breath on Bossman, but once more for old time's sake.Unless there are DRASTIC improvements on defense, Pats win their division with a 10-6 record and host a wildcard game week one of the playoffs.
If they can manage to win that, they then lose on the road the next week to a well rested KC or JAX team.
No way they get to the AFCCG never mind the SB.
Only way I see this changing drastically is maybe the Saints trading them Marshon Lattimore ... and that's not happening.
Like I said, there literally is no longer a point in me responding to your posts, as your negativity only breeds more of your own negativity. But sticking only to the bolded 4 players and Malcolm Butler . . .Anarchy, your not wasting your breath on me. I'm really hoping someone can talk me down and I appreciate your input.
You're talking lots of "what if's" on how they lost, bouncing balls, officiating, weather, ...
the 1985 Patriots won using these factors. I've come to expect this version of the Patriots to not have to rely on these to determine victory.
Bortles having the game of his life wasn't because he happened to be having a good day .... it was because NE's defense was atrocious.
Guys were open all over the field and the mistake prone Bortles wasn't forced into many mistakes. Hard to miss when you have plenty of time to throw and a target that has no defender within 5 yards of him.
The few times Bortles couldn't find a target, he just slipped out to the left where the DE was already 12 yards behind the line of scrimmage trying to get around the LT.
Very un-Patriots like.
But I'm talking about this team having less talented players than most teams (other than at QB / TE) and it's biting them in the ###
BB is a great coach but not even HIS turd polishing is going to make this defense championship worthy. Game plan and scheme all you wan't.
The McCourty twins experiment at FS is failing and no answer at CB after losing an avg corner in Butler this offseason.
Still can't generate a pass rush which makes it even more impossible to defend the pass.
The only way this defense succeeds is when the other team gifts them the ball (Watson muffed handoff 1st play of game and NE wins by 7 points).
NE sack totals last year were a result in teams needing to drop back often to keep up with Brady. That doesn't appear to be a problem for other teams this year.
Bortles tried to gift it to them Sunday but Pats offense gave it right back.
I'm tired of hearing BB and TB toting the team line ... "we just have to execute better". That's a phrase BB uses to justify not having talented players.
Here's a thought for ya Bill .... I bet they could execute better if they had more talent.
JAX used that pick play on a crossing route several times. It didn't get called and NE did nothing to adjust. Just sit back and hope the ref throws a flag this time?
How about NE pass off the WR to the safety ... or better yet, run the same play on offense if they're not going to call it? Can't blame the refs.
As far as not performing well in Sept, my concerns with this team (defense) started in January last season (playoffs).
Bradys heroics camouflaged a Defense that was not good then ... and we saw them at their worst in the SB.
Now Brady has lost weapons (Lewis, Cooks, Mitchell, Amendola) and can no longer carry such a poor defense that has seemed to have taken yet another step backwards this year. and BB drafted Sony Michel to fill the void left by these players and take some of the load off Brady. Sunday proves this was a major fail.
Edleman coming back in 3 weeks will help some but coming off a knee, I doubt he'll be 100% of what he once was.
Now if NE should CRUSH a horribly coached DET team next week, it will have folks thinking SB again and poo-pooing my opinions. ... but prove me wrong vs a KC, MIN, CHI, GB.
Better question for the Coaches Forum but you're on the mark here.Anyone care to guess who the running back to own is going forward for the Patriots? I have Burkhead and know he's been banged up, but White and Michel are both available on waivers as well. I see it as White being the most steady in PPR and Michel having the most upside. I'm not so sure about Burkhead anymore. Any insight from Patriots homers?
Ultimately I would vote there won't be a single guy as the one to own in NE. As I see it, Burkhead is probably still the favorite to get a broader workload and goal line carries (which there haven't been any yet). People need to remember he is coming back from injury. I think he will get a lot more targets in the receiving game than the limited amount he's seen so far.Anyone care to guess who the running back to own is going forward for the Patriots? I have Burkhead and know he's been banged up, but White and Michel are both available on waivers as well. I see it as White being the most steady in PPR and Michel having the most upside. I'm not so sure about Burkhead anymore. Any insight from Patriots homers?
Unless there are DRASTIC improvements on defense, Pats win their division with a 10-6 record and host a wildcard game week one of the playoffs.
If they can manage to win that, they then lose on the road the next week to a well rested KC or JAX team.
No way they get to the AFCCG never mind the SB.
Only way I see this changing drastically is maybe the Saints trading them Marshon Lattimore ... and that's not happening.
Oh, God, wikkid, don't jinx it.Sony Michel Era begins this week. Jax blew up the blocking all over the place last wk, but i liked the kid's poise, patience & burst. Looks a natural to me and stands to be best RB of Belichick's tenure.
We are doomed as a society. The millienials and other disenfranchised demographics have taken over, and we expect everyone to play the victim card instead of doing their job.Bleacher Report story about how Brady is tired of playing for Belichick.
Brady divorce Belichick
They took info from a new Belichick book: Making of The Greatest Football Coach of All Time
Not sure I take this as much more than speculation and opinions of others though.
True, BB is the greatest coach ever. No one has accomplished more than him and what makes his coaching so impressive is that he's done it with mostly average players for such an extended length of time.
BB is a grouch to the media ... he seems different when he's not at the podium. So I'm not buying the grouch angle.
and I'm not buying that Brady is frustrated by not being complimented by the coaching staff. Gimme a break.
"If you're married 18 years to a grouchy person who gets under your skin and never compliments you, after a while you want to divorce him," the source told author and ESPN reporter Ian O'Connor following the 2017 season
Teddy Bruschi talked about this on Sportscenter this morning. Said it does wear you down to think you've had good games and be told that you didn't and to always worry about getting 'caught' not being your best and never be able to relax when you think you've deserved it and, finally, be told you can't cut it no more but also stipulated that all of that got the best possible football out of him.Bleacher Report story about how Brady is tired of playing for Belichick.
Brady divorce Belichick
They took info from a new Belichick book: Making of The Greatest Football Coach of All Time
Not sure I take this as much more than speculation and opinions of others though.
True, BB is the greatest coach ever. No one has accomplished more than him and what makes his coaching so impressive is that he's done it with mostly average players for such an extended length of time.
BB is a grouch to the media ... he seems different when he's not at the podium. So I'm not buying the grouch angle.
and I'm not buying that Brady is frustrated by not being complimented by the coaching staff. Gimme a break.
"If you're married 18 years to a grouchy person who gets under your skin and never compliments you, after a while you want to divorce him," the source told author and ESPN reporter Ian O'Connor following the 2017 season
and this is what is NOT so impressive about BB. He's having to do this without elite caliber athletes ... but that's his own shortcoming.Bleacher Report story about how Brady is tired of playing for Belichick.
Brady divorce Belichick
They took info from a new Belichick book: Making of The Greatest Football Coach of All Time
Not sure I take this as much more than speculation and opinions of others though.
True, BB is the greatest coach ever. No one has accomplished more than him and what makes his coaching so impressive is that he's done it with mostly average players for such an extended length of time.
BB is a grouch to the media ... he seems different when he's not at the podium. So I'm not buying the grouch angle.
and I'm not buying that Brady is frustrated by not being complimented by the coaching staff. Gimme a break.
"If you're married 18 years to a grouchy person who gets under your skin and never compliments you, after a while you want to divorce him," the source told author and ESPN reporter Ian O'Connor following the 2017 season
nm - i meant i liked his smallness, slowness & strengthlessness.Sony Michel Era begins this week. Jax blew up the blocking all over the place last wk, but i liked the kid's poise, patience & burst. Looks a natural to me and stands to be best RB of Belichick's tenure.
Just as BB has been arrogant most of his career about not needing to stretch the field with speed to get his guys open on offense, i believe the arrogance has creeped over to his defensive philosophy and will be his undoing.No quality WR's, can't run the ball, and their 29th ranked defense can not stop the winless Lions. Lions DID NOT PUNT UNTIL LATE 4th QTR!
Those that still think this defense will "turn it around" ... your kidding yourselves. Playoffs last year, SB, and 3 games this year. Not sure how much more of a sample size you need. BB's ego of thinking he can "coach 'em up" is biting him in the balloon knot. This turd of a defense is beyond polishing. I can not think of one team that has less talent on defense.
Brady should ask to be traded to SF to finish what now is looking like his final season. I can't stand seeing him go out like this. He deserves better.
This year was a perfect storm of fails on defense ...Just as BB has been arrogant most of his career about not needing to stretch the field with speed to get his guys open on offense, i believe the arrogance has creeped over to his defensive philosophy and will be his undoing.
I have a sense that, a few yrs ago, he & his staff developed some algorithims to anticipate gaps and pre-emptively plug them which required that his players do their tasks in a specific way and did not improvise. It was that which made wild talents like Chandler Jones & Jamie Collins untenable to him and has resulted in a tremendous lack of team speed at a time when everyone else, even his former defensive coordinator, is getting faster in their linebacking corps. A younger Belichick would have figured this out, but the old master is too stubborn to reverse "a Custer decision".
Was baffled by the play calling last week. Talk about trying to fit a square peg in a round hole forcing S. Michel.But McDaniels also needs to get his head out of his #### and not run slow Sony for 3 and outs. McDaniel has really sucked, getting the least out of whats tools he does have, zero creativity. Or at least realize that you damn need 35-40 points a game to compete and get a win!
now i'm really depressed....This year was a perfect storm of fails on defense ...
Free agent signings, draft picks, and trades didn't pan out;
Danny Shelton - is he even starting? If he is, he hasn't made any noise at all.
Adrian Clayborne - Playing the "premier" blind side DE ... Has looked awful. Can't beat one on one block when pass rushing and seems a liability in stopping the run.
Jason McCourty - Probably should have been cut. Moving him to safety experiment has failed. Likely kept him to appease his brother which is very un-Belichick like.
The one bright spot, rookie Jawan Bently was put on IR today.
1st rookie taken, CB Duke Dawson gone to IR
Really never acquired a viable replacement for Malcom Butler ... even though his game dropped off dramatically the end of last season.
and I think the loss of Ryan Logan is even more of an issue. He wasn't great but was certainly better than Rowe and whoever else is on this roster.
Front 4 was once thought of as their strong unit on defense ... now not only can't pressure the QB but suddenly has forgot how to stop the run?
LB's are sloths. I watched it in pre-season and it carried over to the regular season. Can't keep up with RB's, scrambling QB's, or even TE's. Just useless unless the ball carrier runs into them.
I actually think they'd be smart to start playing a nickle or even dime base defense. Just fill the field with DB's and mix up the coverage vs run defense / pass pressure. It's the only chance they have to keep up with RB's / TE's.
... but on the other hand, their DB's are just really bad after Gilmore and old men Devin & Chung (when healthy).
Seems to me that most teams are getting smaller and faster on defense while the Patriots front 7 are HUGE and slow. Just isn't working.
It's an up tempo game now with screen passes, QB option, and quick hits over the middle. Can not defend that with all large / slow LB's.
but you know ... "just gotta execute better".
I think one can blame last wk's offensive problems on the Pats feeling it was a good time to "see what Sony's got". He had done right v Jax, waiting for his blocks, so they ran thru him v Det and found out he actually hadn't been following his blocks, it's just that he couldnt outrun his offensive linemen..... Then, with the two drops, it was like "now, what do we do?" and they didnt have the receiver pool to play catchup. This wk it will be timing plays for Michel then, failing that, give DeMarco Murray a call or hire Darkwa to be their early-down plodder.It's a real cluster around here, not good. You lose Dion Lewis, B Cooks, and Amendola, with the reigning MVP, and basically surround him with... nothing? And then there's the DEF but anyone with eyes could see a lot of these problems last year (just check the Super Bowl). If they lose to MIA it could get ugly. Teams can throw the ball with ease on these bums, yet Brady struggles to see anyone open. If they beat MIA and INDY, it could turn around as Edelman comes back. But McDaniels also needs to get his head out of his #### and not run slow Sony for 3 and outs. McDaniel has really sucked, getting the least out of whats tools he does have, zero creativity. Or at least realize that you damn need 35-40 points a game to compete and get a win!
On a side note: local talk radio and tv is just terrible. All they want to talk about is BS, hardly any real football; Gronk trade, Gronk's brother, Brady upset... it's total dumpster, entertainment tonight level. They are basically an unbelievable collection of d-bags.
Took the minute. Pondered.Here's something to ponder ... take a minute to digest before you react.
Should NE lose to MIA this weekend, should NE consider tanking to grab a QB in the draft? Ala IND Colts?
Should they start out 1-3, Brady is likely to retire after this season the way they are playing. My guess is that this is completely taking the wind out of his sails.
Gronk threatened to retire last year if he wasn't catching passes from Brady ... so with Brady gone, good chance he'd likely take his sugically repaired anatomy to the WWF next year.
Belichick isn't dumb. He sees the writing on the wall. He's always thinking of the future not just this season.
So how do they do it?. IMO the best way to tank would be to take the ball out of your best players hands (Brady) by handing the ball off to Sony Michel a dozen times or more.
.... and put a defense on the field with the game plan / mind set to "let the other team run on you". Keep the clock moving on defense and keep Brady on the sidelines.
Nice long sustained drives for the other team and be sure you have no one talented enough to get pressure on the QB in the case they do need to throw the ball on 3rd down.
Oh, wait, did this plan already start? If so, seems to be working to perfection.
Only HOU, OAK, and ARZ, have a worse record to this point ... but a loss to MIA here would benefit them greatly.
Top 5 pick this year?
Tell the truth, are you actually a disgruntled Jets fan masquerading as a Pats homer?Here's something to ponder ... take a minute to digest before you react.
Should NE lose to MIA this weekend, should NE consider tanking to grab a QB in the draft? Ala IND Colts?
Should they start out 1-3, Brady is likely to retire after this season the way they are playing. My guess is that this is completely taking the wind out of his sails.
Gronk threatened to retire last year if he wasn't catching passes from Brady ... so with Brady gone, good chance he'd likely take his sugically repaired anatomy to the WWF next year.
Belichick isn't dumb. He sees the writing on the wall. He's always thinking of the future not just this season.
So how do they do it?. IMO the best way to tank would be to take the ball out of your best players hands (Brady) by handing the ball off to Sony Michel a dozen times or more.
.... and put a defense on the field with the game plan / mind set to "let the other team run on you". Keep the clock moving on defense and keep Brady on the sidelines.
Nice long sustained drives for the other team and be sure you have no one talented enough to get pressure on the QB in the case they do need to throw the ball on 3rd down.
Oh, wait, did this plan already start? If so, seems to be working to perfection.
Only HOU, OAK, and ARZ, have a worse record to this point ... but a loss to MIA here would benefit them greatly.
Top 5 pick this year?
The way he's been talking, there isn't much wind left in his sails to begin with.Tell the truth, are you actually a disgruntled Jets fan masquerading as a Pats homer?
The "completely taking the wind out his sails" is a purely millenial comment. Things are hard so I'm just going to quit. Pitiful.
He's 5,137 yards and 45 touchdowns behind peyton. I don't think he gets there this year, and i don't think he'll retire that close to passing his biggest rival. Brees will pass them both, and i don't think Brady will outlast him in the league, so it's possible, but i think brady really does want to be the unquestioned greatest to ever play the game, and passing his biggest contemporary is almost certainly on his to do listIf you think he'll be gung-ho to jump back in next season after going 9-7 this year with an early playoff exit, and no cap room to make any major improvements to the team
... you're fooling yourself.
Paging Bossman.... lmao.