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Arian Foster came out of nowhere and was undrafted. Sometimes a player just needs a chance to carry the load. Foster broke out in his 2nd year, not later, but he wasn't considered a big time talent coming out of college.
Its the kind of thing where maybe you worry about a 31 year old RB wearing down more quickly perhaps.
Not sure what I made up, but OK. I never said anybody compared him to Payton, I said they way you spoke about him made it sound like we were discussing Payton. Like everyones statements that another RB may be a better player were so irrational to you, when we are comparing those players to a guy with barely 200 total carries to his name over 5 seasons and a post season who was a third stringer last year in his 5th season in the NFL.
My point was that there are RBs that don't have a great pedigree that turn into stars. Foster went undrafted.
Arian Foster as a rookie in 6 games had more carries (54) than Damien Williams has had in any season. In his second season alone he had more than 100 more carries than Williams has had in 5 seasons plus a post season. Not a great comp.
Perhaps not, but Foster was so thought of that he went undrafted. No one really saw that coming from Foster and if they said they did, they're lying.
Agreed but not sure its relevant. Foster didnt toil around on the fringes of rosters for 5 years before he all of a sudden became an irreplaceable talent.
Could it be because he got the chance to be the main ball carrier and Williams hasn't. Hey, I don't own Williams in any league but I'm pretty sure he could be a stud in that offense if given the chance. But with Shady now on the team I'm afraid that chance has slipped away again. I'm glad I don't have Williams now. I did trade him earlier in the off-season for a 2nd rd rookie pick that should be a high one.
Anyone who spends either a 2nd rd or 3rd rd pick on Williams has lost their mind. I wouldn't take him in the 4th or 5th round either.
I think a lot of average NFL RBs can be studs in that offense including him. That was never really a point I was arguing. My point was moreso that he is just that - an average NFL RB. Replaceable and unspectacular. McCoy is over the hill, but he IMO can also shine in that offense. As could a 6th round rookie that does seem to pop when you watch him play. Replaceable, and likely to be replaced - if it hasnt already happened. If I had him on a roster I would try to find someone like some of the people posting on these boards and sell him while he is hot because I think he is going to wither away into Alex Collinsville.
DWilliams had earned more playing time but got hurt IIRC. His issue wasn’t lack of talent, it was lack of health and availability.
Me either. When I first started marking he was a early to mid fourth rounder, which I thought was a pretty good value considering the lack of depth on the Kansas City roster.
http://dailydolphin.blog.palmbeachpost.com/2018/03/24/2018-nfl-free-agents-damien-williams-curious-departure-from-miami-dolphins/
earned the starting job, separated his shoulder, lost the job to Drake, never regained the starting job.
I hear what you are saying, and don't think you're totally off base. But watching Williams play in Miami, I remember him standing out to me and thinking at the time, wow that guy looks good. Who is he?
2016 McCoy was without question better than Williams. No doubt.
Did you read the article or just look at the headline? The only reason Williams was ever even discussed was because Jay Ajayi was traded mid season. Then Drake and Williams were in a "split" but it was apparent who the better player was. This is a fluff piece from a guy I have never heard of talking about how Adam Gase called him "his guy". Adam Gase.http://dailydolphin.blog.palmbeachpost.com/2018/03/24/2018-nfl-free-agents-damien-williams-curious-departure-from-miami-dolphins/
Maybe not as die hard as you think?
I read and then quoted of the article right above you. And incredibly, it describes exactly the scenario that I remembered happening at the time. And I’m not even a Miami fan.
I did, and it did say that he started 3 games - you are right, my bad. But please. He started because the starter was traded mid season and he lasted 3 games. I know that was not your point - I get it. But again, he started 3 games because the starter was traded. Thats different than "earning the starting job". Can we agree on that? Or did Jeff Driksell earn a starting job in Cincy last year too? When Drake took over it was clear who the better player was. And we are talking about Kenyon Drake.
Tbh this explains your super bias against Williams. Not blaming you really, as I’d probably feel similar after seeing a guy underperform for years on my team then gets major hype on another.
They traded the other player because they felt that Williams could be the starter.
He performed pretty well when he was playing. The separated shoulder was The beginning of the end to Williams career in Miami.
Frank Gore is a living legend though. To come full circle, technically, Frank Gore just beat out LeSean McCoy in Buffalo.
He never averaged 4 YPC in Miami, and that was with limited carries which often leads to an inflated YPC.
I dont believe this is true and even if it is...Adam Gase. He was clearly mistaken.They traded the other player because they felt that Williams could be the starter.
Look, you’re a Dolphins fan so you have a hard enough. I’ll just leave this one alone.
Easy, tiger. I wasn’t the one that accused you of being a homer.
I’m not saying Gace was right or wrong, I’m just saying he thought Williams was the mat.
I disagree with your statement that it is unreasonable to assume that the Chiefs and Andy Reid, who drafted McCoy and has a good relationship with him might think that McCoy is better than Damien WIlliams. Just looking at the two players careers there is no reasonable argument that would say WIlliams is a better RB than McCoy. To think that would be unreasonable.
In a vacuum I would agree with you. However in this specific case you have Andy Reid who drafted McCoy so I wouldn't say it is the same.
If you see this as an opportunity to buy Williams. Well I disagree.
I can assure you I am not biased against Williams because I am a Fins fan. I am biased against Williams because I think he is a replaceable talent, better served to pay the role he has played for most of his un-illustrious career - as a backup. Maybe he is a better backup than I thought, or maybe his situation made it appear that way in a very very small sample size. People on here getting all hot and bothered that others think that McCoy or Darwin may be a better player make him seem like he is something that he is not - at least not to me.
Drake never averaged under 4.5 YPC on that same team. 35 year old Frank Gore averaged 4.6. Not sure they faced anything any different than Williams. They are just better football players.
I wasn’t trying throw shade, just cleared up to me why you were going hard itt. By all means, I don’t think seeing a guy play the majority of his career is a negative.
Injuries & sample size matter. In Williams case he had a significantly smaller sample size.
I agree with that. I was typing my last post while you posted this & eluded to that - Reid traded for Williams for a reason - he saw him as a talent who could run in his system.
Well his entire 4 seasons in Miami he averaged under 4 YPC so thats 4/5 of his career.
You added the word "might" to what i said
I agree that they "might" think that McCoy is better. They "might" not know, but think it's worth 3-4 million to find out. They "might" think he's as good, or even slightly worse, but prefer having someone with his experience as a starter. They "might" think both should get about 10 carries a week. Those would all be really good outcomes for McCoy for fantasy.
Darwin is under 200 pounds - although I know he’s still a thumper despite being small, he seems like the last guy they’d bring in for short yardage.
Other than the fact that McCoy is 31 & DWill has had shoulder injuries of course.
Not to hijack, but this is a narrative i see a lot with aging RBs & I think it’s a fallacy. “If you can get 80% of [aging RB] he’s still better than [X-Player/% of the league league]”
That is fair, but how many RBs over 30 changed teams and:
As it often is in football, I think it will be this.
