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Looting in Missouri after cops shoot 18 year old (2 Viewers)
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Dinsy Ejotuz
Footballguy
Jesus.
The KKK just called and said they want this thread back.
The KKK just called and said they want this thread back.
Greggity
Footballguy
Not gonna cut it in the touchy-feely, politically correct, white guilt world. Hang him......
Gary Coal Man
Footballguy
While obviously not ideal or professional, I agree with the quote from the mayor in that article that his officers are "only human". The video in that link also shows numerous protestors kicking the officers cars, and I'll go out on a limb and suggest that the police had taunts and threats tossed at them that were as bad if not worse. A violent mob could easily lead to officers getting killed, and that stress gets to them.
Dude, I am sorry but if your dogs are named after the Dukes of Hazard, you are a racist. There is really no need to explain it because the people who accuse others of being racist usually are not known as big thinkers. Sorry buddy, but I would for sure think that most rational liberals think you are against blacks. Its not like you cant rename the dogs...they are just dogs...you should rename them 'Puke' and 'Ho', the dogs will not know the difference and you would gain street cred, by going against the system.
Lutherman2112
Footballguy
Brown's body was laying in the street for hours on Saturday afternoon; shooting was around 2:15 pm. When did the riots and looting start? Sunday evening. Certainly some officer/detective could have interviewed a witness to the shooting in those hours between the death and looting.
Nice try though.
Shut up man!!!! Those protesters have been nothing but peaceful!!!! I highly doubt that any of them would ever threaten the life of an officer or even speak ill toward another person in general!!! Get your mind out of the gutter, they need to hang the whole lot of them!!!!
Jackstraw
Footballguy
I have no further questions counselor. The prosecution rests.Bad post. All of things you describe happen for a reason, meaning there is causation. Let's start with you being 10x a thug. Give us all a break. What did you get away with due to your white skin? I personally know a lot of cops who have to patrol bad neighborhoods, many of those neighborhoods are black hoods. First off, yes they are looking for a profile, but guess what? Since everybody who lives in the neighborhood is black, that is not what they are looking for. They are looking for suspicious behavior. That is the person's fault if they fit the bill in that regard. People of all colors deal with every day. As far as the suburbs go, if I am traveling through a super ritzy hood in my beat up car, then I am taking a risk for being pulled over if I have a violation. It is not the cops fault that you have a violation!!!! If you have one they can pull you over. I am a white guy.... I got pulled over driving around at bar time for a ticky-tack b.s reason. Was the cop profiling me....of course, I was driving around at 3AM....does it change the fact that I had a violation,? NO!!!!!!! He has every right to pull me over, and if I have done something wrong, I will be in trouble.Excellent post, Jackstraw.I could shoot speeders in the head when I pull them over and it would effectively reduce speeding. Doesn't make it right. How in the world can you say there is no racism behind policies when they pick particular races to profile. That statement is absurd. Plus reductions in crime in NYC mirror other areas where crime has dropped without stop and frisk.It is a policy which effectively has reduced crime in high crime areas. There is no racism behind the policies. So far the voters of New York (mostly black voters) have voted for people in favor of these policies and the polices have survived legal challenges to date. It is an area of debate whether the loss of freedom is worth the results, but I don't see it as proof of institutionalized racism. The policy is well known and is supported by many minorities.NYC stop and frisk comes to mindThat was fairly recent wasn't it?show me the policies.OK.
It's amazing how people can be so obtusely blind to the black experience. I'm not excusing looting or any other crime for that matter. But if you think the deck isn't stacked against black people with the amount of evidence in the justice system; with the policies banks and other financial institutions have in minority neighborhoods; with the education system etc etc there's nothing at this point that can possibly change your mind. It's so evident to me it doesn't even merit debate. But here we are.
Think to yourself why there are even black neighborhoods in the first place. You think a lot of those people wouldn't move to better neighborhoods if they could? You think there's no housing discrimination? If you can't see that stuff that's plain as day your just a putz who has no idea what he's talking about.
My background is such that I've lived with minorities of all stripes. I've heard there stories. I've been out with them and experienced it first hand. I was ten times the thug that someof my black friends ever thought about being and somehow the trouble would find them. Like some kind of magic. I keep thinking for why that is and I just can't understand it. People like Jon "whitesplain" to me that racism doesn't exist so it can't be that.
As far as housing goes, why on earth would a bank loan money to somebody who they think cannot or even might not pay it back? That is absurd. Actually, I just read a post in this forum by a respected member who says he makes a lot of money and cannot get a loan for a house he wants to buy. I doubt he is black....if banks are racist, why did they not just loan him the money? After all, he is white and even makes alot of money! I guarantee you that if a black guy walks into a bank with 20% down, proof of a steady paycheck, and good credit history, he will get a loan, because those are the things needed for a loan!!!! It is not the bank's fault that there are many blacks who do not fit that description. You know whose fault it is? YOURS!!!!!! People like you constantly make excuses for blacks, you send them messages that of course they cannot be expected to act like everyone else...they are black...whatever that means.
Last point, the education system. I know you say you walk hand in hand with the blacks, but I have actually spent time in all kinds of urban schools including a few years in schools that are primarily black. Blacks are given the same opportunities that white and Hispanics have, but because we like to sit around and make excuses for all of the nutcases and anti-authoritarians around in our world, their schools suffer the most. If you go to a black private school where no excuses are tolerated and excellence is expected, I will show you a good school and those schools do exist. If you go to a typical inner city public school where we have to accept the fact that little Tyrone wants to kill everybody who looks at him sideways and just work with him, that is the reason the schools fail. But you have to begin to understand that little Tyrone is allowed to stay on because of people like you who always make excuses for his crazy and threatening demeanor. You have a classroom of 24 kids who are smart and ready to learn, combined with 4 or 5 kids who are basically psychotic and ruin it for everybody. And it is accepted by people like you because all you like to do is sit in your little suburban enclave and make excuses because the movie "Mississippi Burning" left a hole in your bleeding heart . Hell, you even prefaced your asinine screed with "I'm not excusing looting, but",,,,
BUT WHAT!?!?!?!?! You just did excuse it....you wrote a post giving us your perspective (as a white guy who has lots of black friends) on the black experience. If only we knew!!!!! All of the profiling!!! All of the loan denials!!! All of the teachers who didn't care!!!! Not only is your post nonsensical, it is an insult to the spirit of humanity!!!!
matttyl
Footballguy
That's racist.I have no further questions counselor. The prosecution rests.Bad post. All of things you describe happen for a reason, meaning there is causation. Let's start with you being 10x a thug. Give us all a break. What did you get away with due to your white skin? I personally know a lot of cops who have to patrol bad neighborhoods, many of those neighborhoods are black hoods. First off, yes they are looking for a profile, but guess what? Since everybody who lives in the neighborhood is black, that is not what they are looking for. They are looking for suspicious behavior. That is the person's fault if they fit the bill in that regard. People of all colors deal with every day. As far as the suburbs go, if I am traveling through a super ritzy hood in my beat up car, then I am taking a risk for being pulled over if I have a violation. It is not the cops fault that you have a violation!!!! If you have one they can pull you over. I am a white guy.... I got pulled over driving around at bar time for a ticky-tack b.s reason. Was the cop profiling me....of course, I was driving around at 3AM....does it change the fact that I had a violation,? NO!!!!!!! He has every right to pull me over, and if I have done something wrong, I will be in trouble.Excellent post, Jackstraw.I could shoot speeders in the head when I pull them over and it would effectively reduce speeding. Doesn't make it right. How in the world can you say there is no racism behind policies when they pick particular races to profile. That statement is absurd. Plus reductions in crime in NYC mirror other areas where crime has dropped without stop and frisk.It is a policy which effectively has reduced crime in high crime areas. There is no racism behind the policies. So far the voters of New York (mostly black voters) have voted for people in favor of these policies and the polices have survived legal challenges to date. It is an area of debate whether the loss of freedom is worth the results, but I don't see it as proof of institutionalized racism. The policy is well known and is supported by many minorities.NYC stop and frisk comes to mindThat was fairly recent wasn't it?show me the policies.OK.
It's amazing how people can be so obtusely blind to the black experience. I'm not excusing looting or any other crime for that matter. But if you think the deck isn't stacked against black people with the amount of evidence in the justice system; with the policies banks and other financial institutions have in minority neighborhoods; with the education system etc etc there's nothing at this point that can possibly change your mind. It's so evident to me it doesn't even merit debate. But here we are.
Think to yourself why there are even black neighborhoods in the first place. You think a lot of those people wouldn't move to better neighborhoods if they could? You think there's no housing discrimination? If you can't see that stuff that's plain as day your just a putz who has no idea what he's talking about.
My background is such that I've lived with minorities of all stripes. I've heard there stories. I've been out with them and experienced it first hand. I was ten times the thug that someof my black friends ever thought about being and somehow the trouble would find them. Like some kind of magic. I keep thinking for why that is and I just can't understand it. People like Jon "whitesplain" to me that racism doesn't exist so it can't be that.
As far as housing goes, why on earth would a bank loan money to somebody who they think cannot or even might not pay it back? That is absurd. Actually, I just read a post in this forum by a respected member who says he makes a lot of money and cannot get a loan for a house he wants to buy. I doubt he is black....if banks are racist, why did they not just loan him the money? After all, he is white and even makes alot of money! I guarantee you that if a black guy walks into a bank with 20% down, proof of a steady paycheck, and good credit history, he will get a loan, because those are the things needed for a loan!!!! It is not the bank's fault that there are many blacks who do not fit that description. You know whose fault it is? YOURS!!!!!! People like you constantly make excuses for blacks, you send them messages that of course they cannot be expected to act like everyone else...they are black...whatever that means.
Last point, the education system. I know you say you walk hand in hand with the blacks, but I have actually spent time in all kinds of urban schools including a few years in schools that are primarily black. Blacks are given the same opportunities that white and Hispanics have, but because we like to sit around and make excuses for all of the nutcases and anti-authoritarians around in our world, their schools suffer the most. If you go to a black private school where no excuses are tolerated and excellence is expected, I will show you a good school and those schools do exist. If you go to a typical inner city public school where we have to accept the fact that little Tyrone wants to kill everybody who looks at him sideways and just work with him, that is the reason the schools fail. But you have to begin to understand that little Tyrone is allowed to stay on because of people like you who always make excuses for his crazy and threatening demeanor. You have a classroom of 24 kids who are smart and ready to learn, combined with 4 or 5 kids who are basically psychotic and ruin it for everybody. And it is accepted by people like you because all you like to do is sit in your little suburban enclave and make excuses because the movie "Mississippi Burning" left a hole in your bleeding heart . Hell, you even prefaced your asinine screed with "I'm not excusing looting, but",,,,
BUT WHAT!?!?!?!?! You just did excuse it....you wrote a post giving us your perspective (as a white guy who has lots of black friends) on the black experience. If only we knew!!!!! All of the profiling!!! All of the loan denials!!! All of the teachers who didn't care!!!! Not only is your post nonsensical, it is an insult to the spirit of humanity!!!!
Fariq
Footballguy
Dead serious...there is no way your dogs should be named after the Dukes of Hazard for any reason. That is insensitive and also a borderline thought crime if I have ever seen one!!!
Plus, how do we know that you did not just make that story up about how they are named?!? I watched True Detective, and if there was one thing I learned it is that people will make all kinds of stories up to hide their evil ways.
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Lutherman2112
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bryhamm
Footballguy
The Ferguson PD is no longer doing the investigation and it is being handled by the St Louis county/city (can't remember which one). This might be why it was declined.
IvanKaramazov
Footballguy
Well, let's see. We've got one group of posters here who seem to taking time off from AryanNationGuys to weigh in on the state of racial relations. And we've got another group of posters who are checking out the home decorating habits of relatives of people who work in the same building as the shooter and comparing the looters to the Boston tea party. Not quite as bad as the Trayvon Martin thread, but it's getting there.
Don't forget your group: the group who accuse those who strive for some semblance of common societal norms to be members of the KKK or some other white supremacy group. I mean really, what kind of country are we if we can't all agree that it is dead wrong to riot and loot the crap out of a community every time something happens to your 'group'?
Ilov80s
Footballguy
Lutherman2112
Footballguy
IvanKaramazov
Footballguy
I agree that looting is wrong, whether it affects my racial group or not. I was more thinking about your comments about little psychotic Tyrone on the previous page.
Regardless, the eyewitness story about how this shooting went down is incredibly damning and detailed enough that investigators ought to be able to reconstruct if he was telling the truth or not. (As a layman, it seems like you should be able to find blood a fair ways away from where the officer was shooting, if the guy's story is true). I always thought that George Zimmerman should never have been charged with anything, so I'm not the kind inclined to knee-jerk reactions in these kinds of cases. That said, if this went down the way the witness describes, the shooter should get life in prison.
AhrnCityPahnder
Yinz-o-riffic
Threads like this are always great, because once every six months when one like this pops up, you can quickly sift through and find who is making the biggest idiot of themselves, then ignore them. It's like a magnet for the current aliases of peens, MasterofOrion, johnjohn and all the other hillbillies that make the FFA horrible.
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Um...ok...what stock name should I use? If you teach at a school that has all African American students, then you are going to have to go with afro-centric names. If I were speaking about white kids I would have said, little Jimmy, and maybe little Hector for Hispanic kids. Anyways, how gracious of you to take what I said out of context and accuse me of being a racist. Again, as somebody who has actually spent time in both high and low performing urban schools, I think I know the difference between what some of the reasons may and may not be; and to that end it is my perspective that a main reason for failure and despair in the African American community is because of people who are constantly making excuses for anti-social behavior, which by the way, has nothing to with the #######g cop!!!
If the cop did what you said he did, he is probably screwed and even if is isn't screwed people get away with crap every day, even blacks!!!! How many looters do you think they have under arrest? Guess what, they got away with it....should I get mad and run over somebody's pet with my car? A few months ago in Milwaukee, some thug decided to have a gun battle in the middle of a park and killed an 10 year old girl named Sierra Guyton. Guess what, that piece of crap had been busted many times on plenty of charges INCLUDING MURDER!!!!! Yes that is right...the guy actually killed someone with a gun, plead it down to second degree, spent less than 10 years in jail and then started another shootout in broad daylight that killed a 10 year old girl.
How is this even possible you ask? My position is that it is because of people who look the other way and make excuses for any anti-social behavior committed by African Americans. Because they were subjected to the horrors of slavery and the humiliation of the long aftermath, that must be taken into account anytime a person of their color commits a crime. We also celebrate people, mostly but not exclusively African Americans, who tell their stories of murder and depravity through music. Sorry, but that is just dumb logic because I think people who think like this devalue the entire African American community. It is almost like you feel sorry for them because they cannot help themselves from committing crimes. If anything, a person who thinks along those lines is actually the real racist here. We would be way better off if there were real consequences and not celebrations/rationalizations for acting like this, because that is the only way things would change.
Its funny, but I would argue that there has not been an effective black leader since MLK. What do you think he would say about all of this? About the thug culture? If everything is a means to an end, what is the end game here? Does all this looting and rioting help race relations, or does it actually harm blacks even more by further cementing stereotypes into peoples heads when they see this garbage on TV with an army of liberals tripping over themselves to make excuses for it?
To add one more thing, upon reflection there are also plenty of liberals who make excuses for dirtbag whites. One example that come to my mind is the jerkoff in Texas who killed a bunch of people with his trucj and git off because of 'affluenza'. Anyways, my point is all of this is way more damaging to the African American community simply because it seems to occur on a more regular basis. Most likely, that is because of socioeconomic factors, but in practice most liberals like to blame the entire white race for the sins of our great, great, great grandfathers, and in the process excuse whatever transpires. Also, very few of them care about the real African Americans in those communities.
Like it or not, this guy put himself in the situation with the cop by not doing what the cop said. Same way with Trayvon. That does not excuse murder in any way, I am just saying it is very stupid to start a fight with a person who either might have a gun or for sure has a gun. Nobody, however, started a thread for Seirra Guyton, the little innocent girl who was killed by a convicted killer that out on parole. I wonder why that is? Maybe because it does not fit the narrative that little Jimmy built up in his head while he was at Princeton getting his BA in political science. Or also, it might be because people do not really give a crap about the real tragedies that happen in the black community every day. Maybe they do not care about all the innocent people who are out minding their business, trying to make it in the world getting murdered.
squistion
Footballguy
IvanKaramazov
Footballguy
According to the witness -- and again, this might turn out to be completely wrong -- Brown's only mistake was not getting to the sidewalk. That's not a kill-able offense.
eurotrashman
Footballguy
Doctor Detroit
Please remove your headgear
This thread is going well, nice job everyone. 
RBM
Footballguy
How can you blame him? Look at what he's in the middle of....what he's up against. People are going to be offended by bad words here?
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Ditkaless Wonders
Footballguy
Language can betray one's meanings. You state that poverty "caused" them to loot, not "permitted", or "contributed", but caused.
Clifford
Footballguy
I kind of agree. Let's face it. Academes make their living prescribing complicated societal pressures to simplistic individual motives.
That being said the cops story stinks to high heaven.
BustedKnuckles
Footballguy
The biggest problem with this story is its just one of too many screamingly un-ending likewise stories....something is very broken and it cant be fixed
Lutherman2112
Footballguy
Politician Spock
Footballguy
RBM
Footballguy
I wouldn't be so quick to judge what someone says in the extremely dangerous and out of the ordinary situation these guys are in right now.
fatness
Footballguy
You've convinced 0 people that you give a crap about "black leaders" except as rhetorical tools to use when you gripe about black people.
Ghost Rider
Footballguy
Regarding why the key witness (the friend of the victim) has not been interviewed by the police, the cops released a statement today saying that they have repeatedly tried to reach him, but he hasn't called them back, and eventually it came out that the witness doesn't want to speak with the police because he doesn't trust them. Once the feds come in and take it over altogether, then he'll probably give his official statement, I would think.
avoiding injuries
Footballguy
Ahhh... So Chris Hayes, this guy's lawyer and everyone else who criticized the police for not interviewing this kid were either misleading people or didn't know what they were talking about.
BustedKnuckles
Footballguy
dont people realize that it takes weeks after something like this for all the facts and truths to come out? We jump on every little blurb thinking its fact when in fact its anything but fact....ive been guilty of this myself but im learning to be patient
fatness
Footballguy
TobiasFunke
Footballguy
Or, you know, just posting a funny joke they saw on twitter. Whatever works for you.
Todd Andrews
Footballguy
You are very naive.Bad post. All of things you describe happen for a reason, meaning there is causation. Let's start with you being 10x a thug. Give us all a break. What did you get away with due to your white skin? I personally know a lot of cops who have to patrol bad neighborhoods, many of those neighborhoods are black hoods. First off, yes they are looking for a profile, but guess what? Since everybody who lives in the neighborhood is black, that is not what they are looking for. They are looking for suspicious behavior. That is the person's fault if they fit the bill in that regard. People of all colors deal with every day. As far as the suburbs go, if I am traveling through a super ritzy hood in my beat up car, then I am taking a risk for being pulled over if I have a violation. It is not the cops fault that you have a violation!!!! If you have one they can pull you over. I am a white guy.... I got pulled over driving around at bar time for a ticky-tack b.s reason. Was the cop profiling me....of course, I was driving around at 3AM....does it change the fact that I had a violation,? NO!!!!!!! He has every right to pull me over, and if I have done something wrong, I will be in trouble.Excellent post, Jackstraw.I could shoot speeders in the head when I pull them over and it would effectively reduce speeding. Doesn't make it right. How in the world can you say there is no racism behind policies when they pick particular races to profile. That statement is absurd. Plus reductions in crime in NYC mirror other areas where crime has dropped without stop and frisk.It is a policy which effectively has reduced crime in high crime areas. There is no racism behind the policies. So far the voters of New York (mostly black voters) have voted for people in favor of these policies and the polices have survived legal challenges to date. It is an area of debate whether the loss of freedom is worth the results, but I don't see it as proof of institutionalized racism. The policy is well known and is supported by many minorities.NYC stop and frisk comes to mindThat was fairly recent wasn't it?show me the policies.OK.
It's amazing how people can be so obtusely blind to the black experience. I'm not excusing looting or any other crime for that matter. But if you think the deck isn't stacked against black people with the amount of evidence in the justice system; with the policies banks and other financial institutions have in minority neighborhoods; with the education system etc etc there's nothing at this point that can possibly change your mind. It's so evident to me it doesn't even merit debate. But here we are.
Think to yourself why there are even black neighborhoods in the first place. You think a lot of those people wouldn't move to better neighborhoods if they could? You think there's no housing discrimination? If you can't see that stuff that's plain as day your just a putz who has no idea what he's talking about.
My background is such that I've lived with minorities of all stripes. I've heard there stories. I've been out with them and experienced it first hand. I was ten times the thug that someof my black friends ever thought about being and somehow the trouble would find them. Like some kind of magic. I keep thinking for why that is and I just can't understand it. People like Jon "whitesplain" to me that racism doesn't exist so it can't be that.
As far as housing goes, why on earth would a bank loan money to somebody who they think cannot or even might not pay it back? That is absurd. Actually, I just read a post in this forum by a respected member who says he makes a lot of money and cannot get a loan for a house he wants to buy. I doubt he is black....if banks are racist, why did they not just loan him the money? After all, he is white and even makes alot of money! I guarantee you that if a black guy walks into a bank with 20% down, proof of a steady paycheck, and good credit history, he will get a loan, because those are the things needed for a loan!!!! It is not the bank's fault that there are many blacks who do not fit that description. You know whose fault it is? YOURS!!!!!! People like you constantly make excuses for blacks, you send them messages that of course they cannot be expected to act like everyone else...they are black...whatever that means.
Last point, the education system. I know you say you walk hand in hand with the blacks, but I have actually spent time in all kinds of urban schools including a few years in schools that are primarily black. Blacks are given the same opportunities that white and Hispanics have, but because we like to sit around and make excuses for all of the nutcases and anti-authoritarians around in our world, their schools suffer the most. If you go to a black private school where no excuses are tolerated and excellence is expected, I will show you a good school and those schools do exist. If you go to a typical inner city public school where we have to accept the fact that little Tyrone wants to kill everybody who looks at him sideways and just work with him, that is the reason the schools fail. But you have to begin to understand that little Tyrone is allowed to stay on because of people like you who always make excuses for his crazy and threatening demeanor. You have a classroom of 24 kids who are smart and ready to learn, combined with 4 or 5 kids who are basically psychotic and ruin it for everybody. And it is accepted by people like you because all you like to do is sit in your little suburban enclave and make excuses because the movie "Mississippi Burning" left a hole in your bleeding heart . Hell, you even prefaced your asinine screed with "I'm not excusing looting, but",,,,
BUT WHAT!?!?!?!?! You just did excuse it....you wrote a post giving us your perspective (as a white guy who has lots of black friends) on the black experience. If only we knew!!!!! All of the profiling!!! All of the loan denials!!! All of the teachers who didn't care!!!! Not only is your post nonsensical, it is an insult to the spirit of humanity!!!!
TobiasFunke
Footballguy
To be fair, you're the one taking him seriously.You are very naive.Bad post. All of things you describe happen for a reason, meaning there is causation. Let's start with you being 10x a thug. Give us all a break. What did you get away with due to your white skin? I personally know a lot of cops who have to patrol bad neighborhoods, many of those neighborhoods are black hoods. First off, yes they are looking for a profile, but guess what? Since everybody who lives in the neighborhood is black, that is not what they are looking for. They are looking for suspicious behavior. That is the person's fault if they fit the bill in that regard. People of all colors deal with every day. As far as the suburbs go, if I am traveling through a super ritzy hood in my beat up car, then I am taking a risk for being pulled over if I have a violation. It is not the cops fault that you have a violation!!!! If you have one they can pull you over. I am a white guy.... I got pulled over driving around at bar time for a ticky-tack b.s reason. Was the cop profiling me....of course, I was driving around at 3AM....does it change the fact that I had a violation,? NO!!!!!!! He has every right to pull me over, and if I have done something wrong, I will be in trouble.Excellent post, Jackstraw.I could shoot speeders in the head when I pull them over and it would effectively reduce speeding. Doesn't make it right. How in the world can you say there is no racism behind policies when they pick particular races to profile. That statement is absurd. Plus reductions in crime in NYC mirror other areas where crime has dropped without stop and frisk.It is a policy which effectively has reduced crime in high crime areas. There is no racism behind the policies. So far the voters of New York (mostly black voters) have voted for people in favor of these policies and the polices have survived legal challenges to date. It is an area of debate whether the loss of freedom is worth the results, but I don't see it as proof of institutionalized racism. The policy is well known and is supported by many minorities.NYC stop and frisk comes to mindThat was fairly recent wasn't it?show me the policies.OK.
It's amazing how people can be so obtusely blind to the black experience. I'm not excusing looting or any other crime for that matter. But if you think the deck isn't stacked against black people with the amount of evidence in the justice system; with the policies banks and other financial institutions have in minority neighborhoods; with the education system etc etc there's nothing at this point that can possibly change your mind. It's so evident to me it doesn't even merit debate. But here we are.
Think to yourself why there are even black neighborhoods in the first place. You think a lot of those people wouldn't move to better neighborhoods if they could? You think there's no housing discrimination? If you can't see that stuff that's plain as day your just a putz who has no idea what he's talking about.
My background is such that I've lived with minorities of all stripes. I've heard there stories. I've been out with them and experienced it first hand. I was ten times the thug that someof my black friends ever thought about being and somehow the trouble would find them. Like some kind of magic. I keep thinking for why that is and I just can't understand it. People like Jon "whitesplain" to me that racism doesn't exist so it can't be that.
As far as housing goes, why on earth would a bank loan money to somebody who they think cannot or even might not pay it back? That is absurd. Actually, I just read a post in this forum by a respected member who says he makes a lot of money and cannot get a loan for a house he wants to buy. I doubt he is black....if banks are racist, why did they not just loan him the money? After all, he is white and even makes alot of money! I guarantee you that if a black guy walks into a bank with 20% down, proof of a steady paycheck, and good credit history, he will get a loan, because those are the things needed for a loan!!!! It is not the bank's fault that there are many blacks who do not fit that description. You know whose fault it is? YOURS!!!!!! People like you constantly make excuses for blacks, you send them messages that of course they cannot be expected to act like everyone else...they are black...whatever that means.
Last point, the education system. I know you say you walk hand in hand with the blacks, but I have actually spent time in all kinds of urban schools including a few years in schools that are primarily black. Blacks are given the same opportunities that white and Hispanics have, but because we like to sit around and make excuses for all of the nutcases and anti-authoritarians around in our world, their schools suffer the most. If you go to a black private school where no excuses are tolerated and excellence is expected, I will show you a good school and those schools do exist. If you go to a typical inner city public school where we have to accept the fact that little Tyrone wants to kill everybody who looks at him sideways and just work with him, that is the reason the schools fail. But you have to begin to understand that little Tyrone is allowed to stay on because of people like you who always make excuses for his crazy and threatening demeanor. You have a classroom of 24 kids who are smart and ready to learn, combined with 4 or 5 kids who are basically psychotic and ruin it for everybody. And it is accepted by people like you because all you like to do is sit in your little suburban enclave and make excuses because the movie "Mississippi Burning" left a hole in your bleeding heart . Hell, you even prefaced your asinine screed with "I'm not excusing looting, but",,,,
BUT WHAT!?!?!?!?! You just did excuse it....you wrote a post giving us your perspective (as a white guy who has lots of black friends) on the black experience. If only we knew!!!!! All of the profiling!!! All of the loan denials!!! All of the teachers who didn't care!!!! Not only is your post nonsensical, it is an insult to the spirit of humanity!!!!
parasaurolophus
Footballguy
Am I allowed to still think most black people are lousy tippers?
Pretty sure that one is still undisputed, but just curious if there is some article that states otherwise that you treat as gospel.
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