He got physically battered after being assaulted with threats by TWO assailants.I genuinely don't know what you're saying here. Collect on an assault charge?
My legal premise here is that if Jayrod filed a police report and the kid was charged the kid have a very viable self-defense claim under criminal law. With that premise in mind, I don't know what it is that you're trying to say here. I promise you I'm not being flippant.
Huh, yeah, that makes sense. And if you're interpretation is correct, he's certainly pretty far off base. He appears to be conflating the crime of assault with the tort of battery (some jurisdictions define these a little differently) and not realizing that it takes only the mere reasonably perceived threat of force to likely justify a person acting in self-defense.I could very well be off base, but I think he's trying to claim that it wasnt self defense and he'd like to see the kid try to "collect" (lawsuit?) on an assault claim. In his mind (again, just trying to piece things together) if Jayrod didnt assault him, its not self defense.
I definitely disagree with that assessment, and apologies if Im interpreting his posts wrong.
I don't even know where to start here.He got physically battered after being assaulted with threats by TWO assailants.
Their threats and actions of taking and kicking his property constitutes DURESS making his claim of self-defense null.
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Intent
Intent is an essential element of both offenses. Generally, it is only necessary for the defendant to have an intent to do the act that causes the harm. In other words, the act must be done voluntarily. Although an intent to harm the victim is likely to exist, it is not a required element of either offense. There is an exception to this rule for the attempted battery type of criminal assault. If a defendant who commits this crime does not have an intent to harm the victim, the individual cannot be guilty of the offense.
Defenses
Consent In almost all states, consent is a defense to civil assault and battery. Some jurisdictions hold that in the case of mutual combat, consent will not suffice and either party may sue the other. Jurisdictions also differ on the question of whether consent is a defense to criminal assault and battery.
Consent must be given voluntarily in order to constitute a defense. If it is obtained by Fraud or duress or is otherwise unlawful, it will not suffice. When an act exceeds the scope of the given consent, the defense is not available. A person who participates in a football game implies consent to a certain amount of physical contact; however, the individual is not deemed to consent to contact beyond what is commonly permitted in the sport.
He isnt bragging about itIf I got my butt beat by someone at least 50 pounds lighter than me, I would not brag about it. Hope the OP paid his son not to mention this to anyone, If his son tells his friends, they are going to walk all over him since he’s soft. They will be ordering him to get them drinks and run to the store to grab them chips and stuff. His goal should be to make sure nobody hears about this embarrassing story.
or start pumping iron & get in Rocky shape & have another go with the kid?If I got my butt beat by someone at least 50 pounds lighter than me, I would not brag about it. Hope the OP paid his son not to mention this to anyone, If his son tells his friends, they are going to walk all over him since he’s soft. They will be ordering him to get them drinks and run to the store to grab them chips and stuff. His goal should be to make sure nobody hears about this embarrassing story.
They didn't take his ball.He got physically battered after being assaulted with threats by TWO assailants.
Their threats and actions of taking and kicking his property constitutes DURESS making his claim of self-defense null.
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Intent
Intent is an essential element of both offenses. Generally, it is only necessary for the defendant to have an intent to do the act that causes the harm. In other words, the act must be done voluntarily. Although an intent to harm the victim is likely to exist, it is not a required element of either offense. There is an exception to this rule for the attempted battery type of criminal assault. If a defendant who commits this crime does not have an intent to harm the victim, the individual cannot be guilty of the offense.
Defenses
Consent In almost all states, consent is a defense to civil assault and battery. Some jurisdictions hold that in the case of mutual combat, consent will not suffice and either party may sue the other. Jurisdictions also differ on the question of whether consent is a defense to criminal assault and battery.
Consent must be given voluntarily in order to constitute a defense. If it is obtained by Fraud or duress or is otherwise unlawful, it will not suffice. When an act exceeds the scope of the given consent, the defense is not available. A person who participates in a football game implies consent to a certain amount of physical contact; however, the individual is not deemed to consent to contact beyond what is commonly permitted in the sport.
The two start just berating me, calling me names like "b*tch *ss **gg*r" and threatening me.
Lighten up internet tough guy! Jayrod shared a bad night with his internet friend, he was not bragging! Somewhere in the original title or the original post, he admitted he was embarrassed by the fact that this happened. Although in hindsight the charging towards the kid was not wise and could be construed as he was attacking the kid, Jayrod was not wanting to fight the kid.If I got my butt beat by someone at least 50 pounds lighter than me, I would not brag about it. Hope the OP paid his son not to mention this to anyone, If his son tells his friends, they are going to walk all over him since he’s soft. They will be ordering him to get them drinks and run to the store to grab them chips and stuff. His goal should be to make sure nobody hears about this embarrassing story.
I didn't get the sense that it was "acceptable" and probably contributed to the verbal provocation.Hold up - they used the N word? In public??? Jesus, that's a no-no out here. Where do you live that this acceptable in public?
Been on a basketball court lately?Hold up - they used the N word? In public??? Jesus, that's a no-no out here. Where do you live that this acceptable in public?
I play Wordle. Im pretty sure **gg*r is jogger.Hold up - they used the N word? In public??? Jesus, that's a no-no out here. Where do you live that this acceptable in public?
Not sure why I am an internet tough guy.Lighten up internet tough guy! Jayrod shared a bad night with his internet friend, he was not bragging! Somewhere in the original title or the original post, he admitted he was embarrassed by the fact that this happened. Although in hindsight the charging towards the kid was not wise and could be construed as he was attacking the kid, Jayrod was not wanting to fight the kid.
He shared with us how he handled/mishandled a situation with a cocky punk. Retrospect is good. May help someone else who finds themself in a similar situation someday.
I also appreciate how Jayrod has taken the teasing and ribbing he has received!
Been on a basketball court lately?
I get the sense this is a local YMCA, right? Here's their code of conduct:  I didn't get the sense that it was "acceptable" and probably contributed to the verbal provocation.
When your first words are, “if I got beat up by…” followed by, “paying my son…” in my opinion your acting like a “tough guy” who’s on the internet.Not sure why I am an internet tough guy.
No offense, man, but that is a different world out there. From what I understand, you all are the pearl clutching, PC capitol of the world.Yes. In Oregon. I'm fairly certain if you said that word out loud here, the collective pearl clutching and gasping for air would implode the state. Maybe it's different in other places, but man....that's a no-no here.
No offense, man, but that is a different world out there. From what I understand, you all are the pearl clutching, PC capitol of the world.
I live in Southwest Missouri where PC still stands for personal computer and liberalism is considered a terminal illness.
The rule around here is if a white kid says the N-word (we are like 98% white in this region) fire and brimstone will rain upon him and he is likely to be both beaten up and publicly shamed online and then ostracized. However, black kids are basically told to knock it off and watch your mouth. It is treated more like dropping an F-bomb when used by black people.
I've intentionally chosen not to bring it up until now, but the kid in question (the one who punched me and did most of the talking) is black. His friend was some kind of mixed race and either very light black or possibly some kind of Hispanic with Side-show Bob style hair. Only the puncher used the N-word.
Not a Y, but here are the gymnasium rules on the website:I get the sense this is a local YMCA, right? Here's their code of conduct:  
These guys were in violation of bullet points 4, 5 and 6. I mean....it's there for a reason.
That's why I said "no offense" because obviously you wouldn't be offended for living in such a wonderful place.Why would I be offended that I live in a place where saying such a hideous word is frowned upon?
Bracie, gb...unless I'm mistaken, one of you is a lawyer with experience in this stuff, the other is copy pasting stuff from the internet. I'd say to hang back a bit here and keep it to goal/baskets and whether getting cold-cocked in the nose constitutes a "fist fight"I don't even know where to start here.1 hour ago, Bracie Smathers said:
He got physically battered after being assaulted with threats by TWO assailants.
Their threats and actions of taking and kicking his property constitutes DURESS making his claim of self-defense null.
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Intent
Intent is an essential element of both offenses. Generally, it is only necessary for the defendant to have an intent to do the act that causes the harm. In other words, the act must be done voluntarily. Although an intent to harm the victim is likely to exist, it is not a required element of either offense. There is an exception to this rule for the attempted battery type of criminal assault. If a defendant who commits this crime does not have an intent to harm the victim, the individual cannot be guilty of the offense.
Defenses
Consent In almost all states, consent is a defense to civil assault and battery. Some jurisdictions hold that in the case of mutual combat, consent will not suffice and either party may sue the other. Jurisdictions also differ on the question of whether consent is a defense to criminal assault and battery.
Consent must be given voluntarily in order to constitute a defense. If it is obtained by Fraud or duress or is otherwise unlawful, it will not suffice. When an act exceeds the scope of the given consent, the defense is not available. A person who participates in a football game implies consent to a certain amount of physical contact; however, the individual is not deemed to consent to contact beyond what is commonly permitted in the sport.
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it was a joke. @DocHollidayWhen your first words are, “if I got beat up by…” followed by, “paying my son…” in my opinion your acting like a “tough guy” who’s on the internet.
Maybe you would but most guys would not have said what you said to his face…hence the “internet tough guy”.
sidebar: do you guys think that tonight's big goal game will be competitive? these first 3 goal games, in the championship round, have been blow outs!
And if someone goes up to a much bigger person cursing and threatening them and took their property and kicked it away from them, then what SHOULD they expect?
I've had my 15 visit punch card for like 6-8 months. I have one visit left, so I go like twice a month. I really only use it when I want to work out and my main gym (connected to a church) is closed on Wed night or Sunday or if I want to play pickup games on Tues or Thurs mornings.I don't think @Jayrod has mentioned how often he goes? When did you get your punch card and how many visits do you have left?
See red area.Hold up - they used the N word? In public??? Jesus, that's a no-no out here. Where do you live that this acceptable in public?
I hoop at a park in Los Angeles; not many more diverse/progressive/woke areas in the world. Black dudes say n---- 50 times a minute during any given pickup game. Everyone gets called it, even the Asian hoopers. 100% acceptable.Hold up - they used the N word? In public??? Jesus, that's a no-no out here. Where do you live that this acceptable in public?
kid called his shot. Babe Ruth type stuff.Punks: "#### you you old ### mother ####er. I'll kick your ###"
Me: "OK kid, whatever"
Yeah, on the goal court is probably the most acceptable place I can think of.I hoop at a park in Los Angeles; not many more diverse/progressive/woke areas in the world. Black dudes say n---- 50 times a minute during any given pickup game. Everyone gets called it, even the Asian hoopers. 100% acceptable.![]()
So you'd say it goaling around the goal court? I bet you wouldn't.Yeah, on the goal court is probably the most acceptable place I can think of.
So you'd say it goaling around the goal court? I bet you wouldn't.Yeah, on the goal court is probably the most acceptable place I can think of.
No, but I've had it said to me, and it's used a lot. When you're goaling the rules are a little looser.So you'd say it goaling around the goal court? I bet you wouldn't.
No, but I've had it said to me, and it's used a lot. When you're goaling the rules are a little looser.
In the manner of "Nice shot, N!" or "I'm checkin' this N right here" sort of way, all good.No, but I've had it said to me, and it's used a lot. When you're goaling the rules are a little looser.
No, more SoCal and Bay Area. I don't really play a lot of goalball up here.What? In Seattle? C'mon.
I grew up near Philly and heard it a decent amount. I was once told that I "play [goal]ball like n- " and it was meant to be a compliment. This was probably 20 years ago.I hoop at a park in Los Angeles; not many more diverse/progressive/woke areas in the world. Black dudes say n---- 50 times a minute during any given pickup game. Everyone gets called it, even the Asian hoopers. 100% acceptable.![]()
I'm learning it's never appropriate- so I would look for another word for goalball.I grew up near Philly and heard it a decent amount. I was once told that I "play [goal]ball like n- " and it was meant to be a compliment. This was probably 20 years ago.I hoop at a park in Los Angeles; not many more diverse/progressive/woke areas in the world. Black dudes say n---- 50 times a minute during any given pickup game. Everyone gets called it, even the Asian hoopers. 100% acceptable.![]()
I'm not saying it's correct and I've always refrained from saying it, but it was much more commonplace on the goalball courts.
I have heard it a handful of times over the years. The ending in "a" version. The context in which I have heard it was basically interchangeable with the word "bro".What? In Seattle? C'mon.
Never heard it called that in my life. Anyway, hope you're planning on sleeping with that punk kid's wife.
No, more SoCal and Bay Area. I don't really play a lot of goalball up here.