TheIronSheik
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Well, that's kind of my point. People complain because drones are dropping bombs. But, oddly, there was no where near the outrage when it was planes dropping the bombs. Just seems odd.
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When do we go in and wipe out ISIS? (1 Viewer)
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cstu
Footballguy
"Guys, I got a gang where we kill anyone we want, make tons of money, and we tell everyone what to do."
"Man, that's sounds crazy, not sure if I want to join something like that."
<pulls out Koran>
"No, no, no, we're an Islamic gang - it says everything is ok in this book"
"Oh, sounds great then, sign me up!"
matuski
Footballguy
Fair enough, but these videos are clearly professionally done and made to appeal to... who? A tiny minority of families whose loved ones were killed by drones? They would appear to have a larger audience in mind.
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El Floppo
Footballguy
bombs is bombs.Well, that's kind of my point. People complain because drones are dropping bombs. But, oddly, there was no where near the outrage when it was planes dropping the bombs. Just seems odd.
I agree with you. I'm trying to remember what the John Oliver bit on drones was about... but I think it summed why people are *more* upset.
matuski
Footballguy
I find drones rather cowardly myself.Well, that's kind of my point. People complain because drones are dropping bombs. But, oddly, there was no where near the outrage when it was planes dropping the bombs. Just seems odd.
CBusAlex
Footballguy
IMO, the people saying stuff like "These guys are nothing but brutal, murderous animals and I can't wait to see how brutally we murder them" are showing a lot more sympathy for ISIS, although they may not realize it.
matuski
Footballguy
Da Guru
Fair & Balanced
Pretty much the same without downed pilots to BBQ.Well, that's kind of my point. People complain because drones are dropping bombs. But, oddly, there was no where near the outrage when it was planes dropping the bombs. Just seems odd.
TheIronSheik
SUPER ELITE UPPER TIER
Why?I find drones rather cowardly myself.Well, that's kind of my point. People complain because drones are dropping bombs. But, oddly, there was no where near the outrage when it was planes dropping the bombs. Just seems odd.
El Floppo
Footballguy
I don't get this- drones are being piloted by somebody... just remotely. is the remote part of it cowardly to you? you'd rather the risk of human life to make it less cowardly? end result for those on the ground is still explosionsI find drones rather cowardly myself.Well, that's kind of my point. People complain because drones are dropping bombs. But, oddly, there was no where near the outrage when it was planes dropping the bombs. Just seems odd.
TheIronSheik
SUPER ELITE UPPER TIER
It's almost like saying that guns are cowardly, because knives are available.I don't get this- drones are being piloted by somebody... just remotely. is the remote part of it cowardly to you? you'd rather the risk of human life to make it less cowardly? end result for those on the ground is still explosionsI find drones rather cowardly myself.Well, that's kind of my point. People complain because drones are dropping bombs. But, oddly, there was no where near the outrage when it was planes dropping the bombs. Just seems odd.
SproutDaddy
Footballguy
Good god.......really?
whatever happened to sticks and stones? I was taught that they can break your bones.It's almost like saying that guns are cowardly, because knives are available.I don't get this- drones are being piloted by somebody... just remotely. is the remote part of it cowardly to you? you'd rather the risk of human life to make it less cowardly? end result for those on the ground is still explosionsI find drones rather cowardly myself.Well, that's kind of my point. People complain because drones are dropping bombs. But, oddly, there was no where near the outrage when it was planes dropping the bombs. Just seems odd.
TheIronSheik
SUPER ELITE UPPER TIER
Stones? Coward. Real men use words.whatever happened to sticks and stones? I was taught that they can break your bones.It's almost like saying that guns are cowardly, because knives are available.I don't get this- drones are being piloted by somebody... just remotely. is the remote part of it cowardly to you? you'd rather the risk of human life to make it less cowardly? end result for those on the ground is still explosionsI find drones rather cowardly myself.Well, that's kind of my point. People complain because drones are dropping bombs. But, oddly, there was no where near the outrage when it was planes dropping the bombs. Just seems odd.
RBM
Footballguy
A lot of sensitive ####### on here.Probably a good idea given some of your earlier comments
RBM
Footballguy
dickey moe
Fingerpicker
Neither is UH.
fantasycurse42
Footballguy Jr.
Curious how everyone thinks ISIS should be dealt with. Obviously a fairly passionate topic, but of these, which is your preferred method?
- Boots on Ground
- Drone Bombing
- Leave the ME and let them deal with this mess
- Other (specify)
RBM
Footballguy
Everybody is wired different. I just can't understand that people that can see this stuff and have no anger. They just want to know "why".
Like I said I've got a hot temper and that pissed me off.
dickey moe
Fingerpicker
Sickening. Thing is, does any coalition have the will to really try to stop it.
urbanhack
Fight The Power!
I answered a the question with a legitimate answer as others have confirmed. Aligning me in any way, shape or form with these animals is bull####.
Dickies
Footballguy
I'm pretty much in the camp that we leave the ME be, while providing back-up (air support, etc..) to our closest allies in the region. Obama gets a lot of criticism for pulling out of Iraq, but I think the spread of ISIS throughout the ME has helped countries like Jordan and Saudi Arabia realize that they may be next. The Jordanian pilot being burned may be the best thing that could happen to the region. It woke up the country of Jordan and united them against ISIS. How long are we supposed to have ground forces fighting in this region? Our military cannot completely eradicate terrorism. We can chase them out, but they will return with time.
roadkill1292
Footballguy
In addition to winning followers (and power) these kinds of acts are also designed to goad the western powers into military action, which mostly results in developing even more enmity in the Middle East for us. Rarely has going in with high-tech guns blasting served us particularly well since 1945.
El Floppo
Footballguy
PatsWillWin
Footballguy
Do you mean this in like the "hey in the grand scheme of the universe, we're only here for a fraction of a blink of an eye" type way?larch said:
PatsWillWin
Footballguy
We, as a society/country do not have the stomach to deal with ISIS. Which is sort of odd, given our history.
The "easy" solution would be to treat the middle east the same way we treated the native americans. Just kick them the #### out of their lands. Draw up some territorial bull####, and put each of the various groups into their own reservation. No more mixing and matching. Just one long trail of tears.
It might take just 1 strategic placed nuclear bomb to get everyone motivated, but think of the millions of lives that would save in the long-run.
We might also need to simply flatten Jerusalem and Mecca - sure it'll ruffle a few feathers, but seriously, if God created the entire planet, I doubt He is too worried about a couple of "sacred" locations on the whole planet.
The "easy" solution would be to treat the middle east the same way we treated the native americans. Just kick them the #### out of their lands. Draw up some territorial bull####, and put each of the various groups into their own reservation. No more mixing and matching. Just one long trail of tears.
It might take just 1 strategic placed nuclear bomb to get everyone motivated, but think of the millions of lives that would save in the long-run.
We might also need to simply flatten Jerusalem and Mecca - sure it'll ruffle a few feathers, but seriously, if God created the entire planet, I doubt He is too worried about a couple of "sacred" locations on the whole planet.
Jackstraw
Footballguy
RBM
Footballguy
Da Guru
Fair & Balanced
I was quite surprised at how calm he was. Once that flame hit me I think I would be slamming against that cage like a wild bull.
tommyboy
Footballguy
other than Daniel Pearl vid years ago, I haven't watched any of these snuff videos. What's the point? We know what they did, I don't need to cloud my mind with horrible images to reinforce the idea that all of these people need to be summarily executed.
TheIronSheik
SUPER ELITE UPPER TIER
Not that I'm condoning it, but I've said for a long time that the only way to win a war is to go full steam. You can't only take out the bad guys. You can't just use precision bombing. It doesn't work. Do you know why no kids in Hiroshima grew up hating the US for killing their soldier dads? Because they died, too. It's a horrible thing to think, killing innocent people. But that's war. You want to win? You have to kill. And you have to kill everyone. Or enough of them to where they say, "OK. Enough. We surrender!"
SproutDaddy
Footballguy
This guy gets it.
TheIronSheik
SUPER ELITE UPPER TIER
tommyboy
Footballguy
ClownCausedChaos2
Footballguy
I watched that one, too, out of a sense of curiosity. I haven't had even the slightest urge to watch one since. The Pearl beheading was something I still picture seeing when another one of these pop up. It is the epitome of "something you cannot unsee" for me.
tommyboy
Footballguy
it works fine if you
a) completely destroy and humiliate the enemy
b) have large armies on the ground to provide some sense of order/stability after the collapse of previous psychotic honchos
c) spend 10-15 years rebuilding/administering/retraining the population and another 50 years+ with aid/military presence
but just shooting up the place and leaving doesn't solve the underlying problem, no
roadkill1292
Footballguy
I won't watch them, either. It's just morbid voyeurism -- that runs the risk of becoming commonplace to you -- once you know what happened plus it clouds up the thinking processes. When something nasty is doing its best threaten you and rile you up, that's when you gotta be all Josie Wales cold and mean and smart.
roadkill1292
Footballguy
None of these tactics will work in ISIS-infested regions.
edit: change "controlled" to "infested"
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cstu
Footballguy
fantasycurse42
Footballguy Jr.
I read an article yesterday that said we haven't affected their numbers at all since the drones started.
http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2015/02/03/isis-recruits-thousands-of-new-fighters-despite-u-s-bombs.html
Not very familiar with this site, but an interesting read.
cstu
Footballguy
My goal isn't to destroy them but keep them from getting stronger. As long as we're killing trained ISIS members and forcing them to train new recruits then it's working even if it will be a very long fight. At some point recruitment is going to get very difficult for ISIS if we keep killing them as fast as they can recruit.
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