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Anyone get an update if Matt made it to work this morning?
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Baltimore: The Next Ferguson? (2 Viewers)
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SaintsInDome2006
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Hang 10
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Professional looter seems to be a popular profession in Baltimore as well.I'm guessing those stats dont take into account slinging, which is most certainly a job.Just heard a stat that 50% of black adult males are unemployed in Baltimore.
rockaction
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tom22406
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Sweet J
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I can't believe I'm 16 pages behind on this thread. So this may have been addressed, but: There are lots of different ways a person could interpret the Mayor's words. One interpretation is: "We have an out-of-control mob. Rather than risk lives and potentially escalate the situation, we think the best way to handle this is to let this stay contained to property damage, and the mob will eventually burn itself out. That's a better option than lives getting lost because we tried to physically constrain a situation that is unconstrainable." (or something like that).
Sweet J
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Otis, you are way out of line here. Offensively out of line.Don't forget the assault laws, burglary laws, trespassing laws, destruction of property laws, and probation laws.
Nice young man
Hang 10
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You find facts about Gray offensive?Otis, you are way out of line here. Offensively out of line.Don't forget the assault laws, burglary laws, trespassing laws, destruction of property laws, and probation laws.
Nice young man
CowboysFromHell
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igbomb
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comfortably numb
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People all night long here, on the news and citizens were clamoring on why the police are just standing by.
I'm glad they stood there.
Last thing you need is more video footage of black men being beaten and dragged by police.....god forbid 1 dies.
I don't care how much property is destroyed police will NOT look good with those videos/images.
This was a PR way of handling the riots as well as ensuring the safety of the police and the Baltimore thugs and/or innocent bystanders.
CGRdrJoe
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I don't see anything that he has done above to warrant what happened to himYou find facts about Gray offensive?Otis, you are way out of line here. Offensively out of line.Don't forget the assault laws, burglary laws, trespassing laws, destruction of property laws, and probation laws.
Nice young man
shadrap
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Good posting!
The exhibition last night not only fuels the current racism, but probably causes more of it. Nice work. (MLK rolling over in grave)
cstu
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The money spent on the criminal justice system would be much better spent on education and treatment.
SaintsInDome2006
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It's an issue in New Orleans. Our problem is we can't hire and keep enough cops., we need them from wherever we can get them. I'll add that I've been in favor of reforms, I bet we now have more than any city, buy unfortunately the cops have been quitting in droves because of them. Well because of the reforms and the absolute rock bottom pay.
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MattFancy
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The police really had no choice but to just stand there. As soon as one of them shot their weapon or started going after the looters, Baltimore would have turned into a complete war zone.
Apple Jack
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More the air of cluelessness, disregard of context, and tone-deafness coming from the velvet recliner in westchester county or whatever suburb he sips the wrong whisky in these days.You find facts about Gray offensive?Otis, you are way out of line here. Offensively out of line.Don't forget the assault laws, burglary laws, trespassing laws, destruction of property laws, and probation laws.
Nice young man
Tackling Dummies
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First, they came for the toothpaste and I did not speak out.
Then they came for the paper towels and deoderant and I did not speak out.
You know how this ends.
GroveDiesel
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Huh? One of the strongest correlations/predictors for future poverty and criminal conduct is being raised by a single parent. Anyone who has been raised by a single parent knows how difficult it is for both the parent and child. To ignore that factor is foolishness.
Apple Jack
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I dont think it's as much the glorifying "usage" as glorifying selling. The game.
cstu
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Create incentives that destroy the family structure and then wonder why the family structure is destroyed.
Billy Bats
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I didn't realize I made a funny too. I must be funnier than I thought.I take it y'all's concern for the loss of the housing center is real though, we know that because of the "I love how your heart breaks for poor granny when the situation fits your agenda. Meanwhile we have millions suffering routinely in poverty and deplorable conditions all over the country and your response is something like "GET A JOBN LOSERS!"I was thinking of an elderly black woman who is a friend of mine. Yep she would walk with cane by hook or crook to get to this place almost every day:
But but imagine poor granny walking six miles through the stifling 100 degree heat on a cracked cane and no water just for a can of Ensure and some bingo.
http://judeshrine.com/st-jude-community-center/
As infirm as she was she would bake and help the sick and weak there herself, amazing. She had a lot of friends there and there are a lot of grandmas who are wonderful people there. That's the kind of place I imagined.
But it turns out this was going to be a public housing center built by a Baptist church that was just going to provide housing for the elderly. So you know you're right, now they won't have that now and that really is pretty "funny." Thanks for pointing that out.
Seriously. Piss off. Go shed your crocodile tears somewhere else. You couldn't give a crap about granny. You just want to get on the cross.
Major diversion, let's drop it. Thanks.
cstu
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Apple Jack
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Hang 10
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I don't think we're sure what happened to him yet. Also, I didn't see anyone saying he deserved to be killed.I don't see anything that he has done above to warrant what happened to himYou find facts about Gray offensive?Otis, you are way out of line here. Offensively out of line.Don't forget the assault laws, burglary laws, trespassing laws, destruction of property laws, and probation laws.
Nice young man
Sweet J
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Holy crap, this is word for word our argument.
Either tell me where I am mistaken, or fix what you are doing wrong. But don't say "oh, I'm always the one who screws up" in a way that dismisses my concern.
CowboysFromHell
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TobiasFunke
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I don't think so.
Bonus quote, from Ta-Nihisi Coates:
Or if you prefer the humorous approach, this one is always a winner:
Sweet J
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Here's the thing: I would expect that both you and Bottomfeeder Sports would both agree that we need to get the dealer out of the neighborhood. You are just disagreeing, really, on the most effective method of "getting the dealer out." And it is a reasonable disagreement, I think. You would focus on the eliminating the supply from the production side. He would focus on eliminating the demand (by taking out the monetary incentive by legalizing), thereby ultimately undercutting the supply because the price has been driven down.
The irony here is that Bottomfeeder's "solution" is really one based on Capitalistic concepts. "Let the Market work it's magic." Republicans seem to have great faith in the Market in handling environmental issues (and Dems don't), while it seems to be reversed in drug issues.
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Gary Coal Man
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First, do you think the average Baltimorian really knows what percentage of the police force live in Baltimore proper or whether the particular officer they are dealing with is from Baltimore proper?
Second, it doesn't matter much if all the officers are black and from Baltimore because the police departments, the organization, are viewed by many of the protestors and rioters as a wing of white institutional racism. Individual officers, regardless of their race, are viewed as part of this.
Finally, the rioters are criminals. Not only during the riots but likely during their everyday lives. Of course they are going to view officers who are trying to stop crime as their adversary.
cstu
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DocHolliday
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Tonight is going to be interesting in Baltimore. Should be good TV.
Fat Nick
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Agree. This kind of reminds me of the constant comments from Baltimore officials last night saying that "Most of the looters aren't even from Baltimore." OK...how do they know that? Do they have the names of all the looters?
Billy Bats
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Holy crap, this is word for word our argument.
Either tell me where I am mistaken, or fix what you are doing wrong. But don't say "oh, I'm always the one who screws up" in a way that dismisses my concern.
They're a special breed, aren't they?! 
DocHolliday
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That may be a problem.Just heard a stat that 50% of black adult males are unemployed in Baltimore.
Sweet J
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It's a good point. I've said for years that I hate the way both R's and D's are dug-in on Welfare issues. Many R's just demonize the poor for taking advantage of incentives given (rather than seeing them for the rational beings they are), and many D's refuse to see that government programs that "help" the poor (and they do help), also provide incentives to stay unwed and other unwanted results.Create incentives that destroy the family structure and then wonder why the family structure is destroyed.
It's enough to drive a thoughtful person crazy.
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tom22406
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A bunch of the people on the street who were interviewed were saying that they lived in the neighborhoods that were being looted and they didn't know most of the people who were doing it.
I have no doubts a bunch came from Philly and D.C. to get their loot on.
SaintsInDome2006
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Sweet J, that's a thoughtful response and you seem to hit the crux of it. I happen to be in favor if regulation in a lot of instances. I'm not sure I see a difference between FDA regulation of pharmaceuticals to be sure they're safe and keeping narcotics off the streets. Heroine was first developed by Bayer, doesn't mean I think it should be on a Walgreens shelf with a clear warning it might kill the user. I also think cigarettes should be banned because it causes cancer, and I don't know why the public wants to profit via taxes on things that kill people. Arguably that's not true of MJ so I'm willing to listen on that one, but I'd let the FDA make the call on the harm it does or does not cause.
jonessed
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Expect that number to rise considerably.Just heard a stat that 50% of black adult males are unemployed in Baltimore.
Parrothead
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Buddy Ball 2K3
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Stealing this. Thank you!
Holy crap, this is word for word our argument.
Either tell me where I am mistaken, or fix what you are doing wrong. But don't say "oh, I'm always the one who screws up" in a way that dismisses my concern.
Gary Coal Man
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That number stands a good shot of rising as businesses choose to relocate post-riots.That may be a problem.Just heard a stat that 50% of black adult males are unemployed in Baltimore.
Apple Jack
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Are you blind or something? You even quoted my post where I told you many of them have jobs in the drug trade. And what is your level of familiarity with Baltimore? Do you live there? Have you spent much time there? Where do you live?
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cstu
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Amazing that adult males who cross the border illegally and don't speak English can find jobs but people given all of the advantages of growing up in America cannot.Just heard a stat that 50% of black adult males are unemployed in Baltimore.
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Apple Jack
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Who is relocating?That number stands a good shot of rising as businesses choose to relocate post-riots.That may be a problem.Just heard a stat that 50% of black adult males are unemployed in Baltimore.
Hang 10
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Hang 10
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The difference is one group is actually actively seeking employment.Amazing that adult males who cross the border illegally and don't speak English can find job but people given all of the advantage of growing up in America cannot.Just heard a stat that 50% of black adult males are unemployed in Baltimore.
