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6 minutes ago, Titans_fan said:

Chances TB tries to move RoJo given all the positive news about his camp?  Not sure what he's worth, but maybe they can get a mid- to late-round pick?

If no one wanted LF for free, what makes you think a team would trade anything for Jones?

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Just now, Milkman said:

You're a RoJo truth though lolol. 

I'm so happy right now! Sorry about your RoJo shares. I'm not talking crap. It's happened to all of us buddy. 

I have 1 share of RoJo. 

This kills the value of both backs, IMO. 
 

 you’re being ridiculous. 

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3 hours ago, Milkman said:

I don't agree with this and the Bucs don't either if they sign Fournette. 

Haha double fail but the point remains.  It's still terrible logic.  Teams sign guys all the time without it meaning they like them more than the incumbent.

This is t-e-r-r-i-b-l-e logic.

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1 minute ago, Anarchy99 said:

If no one wanted LF for free, what makes you think a team would trade anything for Jones?

That's a legit argument.  As someone with multiple RoJo shares, just looking for a ray of sunlight...

 

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#Bucs are giving RB Leonard Fournette a 1-year deal worth a max value of $3.5M, source said. He gets a $2M base salary and incentives are based on rush yards & play-time. Plus, with no off-sets from his #Jaguars deal, Fournette can double dip if he wins his grievance & add $4.2M.

 

 

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Just now, Titans_fan said:

That's a legit argument.  As someone with multiple RoJo shares, just looking for a ray of sunlight...

 

Rojo's still young and I do believe he's got a lot of talent. Even if Fournette beats him out this year, he can still get his shot eventually.

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11 minutes ago, Titans_fan said:

Chances TB tries to move RoJo given all the positive news about his camp?  Not sure what he's worth, but maybe they can get a mid- to late-round pick?

No one will trade for him now - plus the Bucs don’t want to give away cheap depth.

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1 minute ago, mcintyre1 said:

Rojo's still young and I do believe he's got a lot of talent. Even if Fournette beats him out this year, he can still get his shot eventually.

And Fournette hasn't been the picture of health in his four years.

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7 minutes ago, Anarchy99 said:

If no one wanted LF for free, what makes you think a team would trade anything for Jones?

Jones is only making 1.4mil.

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Fournette taking a deal with heavy incentives based on rushing yards and playing time certainly makes me think he was told he is going to get the ball a lot. We'll see, though.

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If you’re drafting right now, redraft, where do you put them both?

7th round? 8th? 

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6 minutes ago, mcintyre1 said:

 

Lenny gonna be running hard to hit the magic # for his rushing incentive payout...$2M—>$3.5M is pretty significant 

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1 minute ago, Moniker said:

Jones is only making 1.4mil.

So why wouldn’t the Bucs want to hold onto him that cheaply?

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4 minutes ago, Hot Sauce Guy said:

I have 1 share of RoJo. 

This kills the value of both backs, IMO. 
 

 you’re being ridiculous. 

Fournette went from probably the worst team in the NFL to one of the best.  There are people out there who think Brady could retake the singke season touchdown record from Manning this year - MJD just said it recently. It's not ridiculous to think that this is good news for fournette.  I would much rather have the rb1 from a great offense than a bad one... 

...if thats what he is..  it could also still be Rojos backfield.  Or rojo could be the James white.  He could be the tiki to fournettes Dayne,  We don't know anything yet and neither do the bucs really.  We just know that they saw the opportunity to add talent and pounced.  

I would love to buy rojo from someone who is overreacting or sell fournette to someone who is too high on him. But I'm probably going to wait and see (I have each in one league as my rb3)

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Just now, Hot Sauce Guy said:

So why wouldn’t the Bucs want to hold onto him that cheaply?

I don't think they'll shop him. I was answering your question on why a team would trade for him and not Fournette.

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Anyone who drafted LF before this all went down is not unhappy tonight. Just saying'...

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As a Fournette owner in one league, I'm happy about this move. He wasn't likely to find any team at this point where he'd remain the bell cow like he might have in Jacksonville. Seeing that divorce coming a mile a way, I'm almost fortunate it happened before the season because it could have been an even bigger disaster with them mid-season benching him in all likelihood.

I'm tempering actual production expectations until we see how the Bucs plan to use their backs. He reminds me now a bit of how I valued David Johnson coming into this season. Both carry a lot of risk but have gotten top 10 numbers in the past. If I'm starting to draft this coming weekend, I'm putting Fournette in my boom/bust RB3 group and depends on your level of risk you personally tolerate. 

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2 minutes ago, bostonfred said:

Fournette went from probably the worst team in the NFL to one of the best.  There are people out there who think Brady could retake the singke season touchdown record from Manning this year - MJD just said it recently. It's not ridiculous to think that this is good news for fournette.  I would much rather have the rb1 from a great offense than a bad one... 

...if thats what he is..  it could also still be Rojos backfield.  Or rojo could be the James white.  He could be the tiki to fournettes Dayne,  We don't know anything yet and neither do the bucs really.  We just know that they saw the opportunity to add talent and pounced.  

I would love to buy rojo from someone who is overreacting or sell fournette to someone who is too high on him. But I'm probably going to wait and see (I have each in one league as my rb3)

I’m a hold on RoJo right now in the one league I’ve got him.

i expect there to be a lot of touches to go around.

one thing though - while I’d love for RoJo to be James White, I don’t think he can catch well enough for that role. 

They've said he’s been working on it all offseason, but that he still drops too many easy dump-offs. 

i do think it’s an upgrade from Fournette, as that Jags OL wasn’t exactly a premium run-blocking line, but if they’re in a time-share on 1st & 2nd, and Dare or Shady are the 3rd down guys, it could be RBBC. 

Hard to say what they do, but at this moment, I have no idea how to rate the draft capital to spend on either of them & I have a draft coming up this Friday. So for me, right now, it’s a mess.

for Fournette owners Who are already invested, I’m sure it’s better than him sitting on his couch, so definitely an upgrade. 

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I thought I was stacked with young RB talent heading into 2020 but my RB's keep taking hits.

Guice, Damien Williams, Penny, Fournette, R. Jones

Down to A. Jones, Hunt, Ro Jo/Fournette, Armstead

Not sure how I feel about the TB RB's now. Which RB is more talented, how will they be used? My guess is one of Shady or RoJo may be cut. RoJo has been getting all the love but the actions of bringing in Vaughn, Shady, and Fournette tell a different story.

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8 minutes ago, bostonfred said:

Fournette didn't get cut because he sucked, he got cut because the jags want Trevor Lawrence, fournette was on his last year and was going to be a malcontent playing on a tanking team, the jags made it known he was out the door, he didn't become available until September, and nobody wanted to give up a draft pick to get him at 4m a year when they could try to sign him to a one year prove it deal. It was not a regular football decision. 

He's arguably not that good, but that's a separate conversation. Characterizing this as "he got cut" doesn't help the discussion.

First, I didn't say he sucked. Special, though? No. Good even? I don't know maybe. Guys who are good don't usually get cut on their rookie deals. The Jags couldn't even trade him, even DJ with his salary did. The rest of the league passed on his 4m salary too, which is also a clue. 

I don't know man, seems to me he's probably not really great. Not great enough to assume he completely takes over Ronald Jones without any committee. 

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1 minute ago, Jayded said:

As a Fournette owner in one league, I'm happy about this move. He wasn't likely to find any team at this point where he'd remain the bell cow like he might have in Jacksonville. Seeing that divorce coming a mile a way, I'm almost fortunate it happened before the season because it could have been an even bigger disaster with them mid-season benching him in all likelihood.

I'm tempering actual production expectations until we see how the Bucs plan to use their backs. He reminds me now a bit of how I valued David Johnson coming into this season. Both carry a lot of risk but have gotten top 10 numbers in the past. If I'm starting to draft this coming weekend, I'm putting Fournette in my boom/bust RB3 group and depends on your level of risk you personally tolerate. 

This is a super reasonable take. Though you might be able to get him as a boom or bust RB4 in the 7-8-Ish range. I have no idea where he’ll be going. 

I’m gonna be watching fantasy draft calculator like a hawk between now & Friday night. 

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19 minutes ago, Hankmoody said:

So the Chiefs think Dwayne Washington is better than CEH since they signed him?

This is t-e-r-r-i-b-l-e logic.

Two totally different situations. Fournette wouldn't have signed there to be RoJo backup. He signed there because they told him he's the starting RB for them as soon as he gets up to speed. He's playing for a contract. 

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12 minutes ago, Hot Sauce Guy said:

If you’re drafting right now, redraft, where do you put them both?

7th round? 8th? 

R. Jones just went from my 5th round RB3 target (after Mostert) to round 8 ish where the likes of K. Johnson and P. Lindsay live.

No idea what to do with Fournette. He's gone from 4th round to 12th round and maybe sits with R. Jones around round 8.

This may sound silly but I'm now finding all TB offensive weapons overvalued at current ADP. This is leaning towards a more efficient offense that isn't playing catchup, runs the ball more, and plays better D. 

Fading all of TB.

 

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3 minutes ago, Hot Sauce Guy said:

This is a super reasonable take. Though you might be able to get him as a boom or bust RB4 in the 7-8-Ish range. I have no idea where he’ll be going. 

I’m gonna be watching fantasy draft calculator like a hawk between now & Friday night. 

I think the shark move is if you don't see him as an RB3, someone will and will take him there. If that's not you, I look to grab RoJo as a late RB4 or early RB5 and likely find value there.

I have no idea about TB personally, but I would think this signing almost certainly means that McCoy is out. Not sure they can or would want to carry near that many RBs and it all but certainly means RoJo/LF are in and likely Dare as well because he's the specialist. We'll see, but I think that also frees up some carries and likely increases the value of both LF and RoJo.

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I don't care about reality. As one that is way too invested in Fournette, I have visions of Corey Dillon dancing in my head and am feeling like randomly hugging people. 

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I don’t see Fournette as a 7th or 8th rounder. That’s Jordan Howard, Tarik Cohen territory. I’d much rather have Fournette. 

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2 minutes ago, Milkman said:

Two totally different situations. Fournette wouldn't have signed there to be RoJo backup. He signed there because they told him he's the starting RB for them as soon as he gets up to speed. He's playing for a contract. 

Yes. Washington didn’t sign to be a starter. And they drafted CEH after they signed Washington so his comparison is t-e-r-r-i-b-l-e

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5 minutes ago, cloppbeast said:

Not great enough to assume he completely takes over Ronald Jones without any committee. 

Quoted without comment or emphasis 

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1 hour ago, Hot Sauce Guy said:

Well it seems pretty unlikely they’d bring him in to replace RoJo when every report out of camp has been positive, so...

sounds like a bad fit.

:shrug: 

I’m not a Fournette owner for the same reason the Jags aren’t: He’s just not very good. 

Are you a Rojo owner (or fan)? Obviously trying to gauge bias, given your staunch opinion here.

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16 minutes ago, mcintyre1 said:

Fournette taking a deal with heavy incentives based on rushing yards and playing time certainly makes me think he was told he is going to get the ball a lot. We'll see, though.

He would not have signed there otherwise. He's playing for his only big contract. Mixon just got 30m gtd. 

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11 minutes ago, Milkman said:

Two totally different situations. Fournette wouldn't have signed there to be RoJo backup. He signed there because they told him he's the starting RB for them as soon as he gets up to speed. He's playing for a contract. 

Maaaaaaaybe?

 Let’s quit the friendly ball busting and keep it real for a second.

He needed a job.

If he goes to BUF, he’s got a TD vulture QB and Moss (a bowling ball short yardage back) & Singletary to share touches with. Hard to play for a contract in that situation. 

If he goes to NEP, he’s got Michel, Miller, Burkhead & Harris, plus White catching the ball & he’s in a 6-headed mess playing for a coach who loves situational football. 

in TB he’s got RoJo & not much behind him. Shady isn’t the player he was, Dare is ok, but no James White, and as has been mentioned, it’s a much more potent offense than either BUF or NEP.

So it could have simply been the best of the 3 options without some super secret handshake deal that he’d be the man.

I’m just sayin. Hyperbole aside for a second, this looks like a RBBC. Maybe one of them separates. time will tell. 

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1 minute ago, Hot Sauce Guy said:

Hyperbole aside for a second, this looks like a RBBC. Maybe one of them separates. time will tell. 

What a difference an hour makes 

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4 minutes ago, LawFitz said:

Are you a Rojo owner (or fan)? Obviously trying to gauge bias, given your staunch opinion here.

I’ve said a couple times - I have a share of RoJo. He’s my 5th RB, it was a low investment.  I’ve been waiting for a good string of games to sell high.

that is unlikely to happen anytime soon, but it didn’t effect my bias on judging Fournette, who I’ve never been a fan of. I haven’t been shy about that so looking back at past posts would be a better way to judge bias. 

i see this as a mess for everyone but the Bucs, who suddenly have a deep backfield. Albeit with a RB I’m not very high on because I think he lacks vision. 

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1 minute ago, Johnny B. Goode said:

What a difference an hour makes 

Nah, you’re the same troll you’ve been for the last 3 pages while I’ve ignored you. I shall continue to do so. 

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3 minutes ago, Hot Sauce Guy said:

Maaaaaaaybe?

 Let’s quit the friendly ball busting and keep it real for a second.

He needed a job.

If he goes to BUF, he’s got a TD vulture QB and Moss (a bowling ball short yardage back) & Singletary to share touches with. Hard to play for a contract in that situation. 

If he goes to NEP, he’s got Michel, Miller, Burkhead & Harris, plus White catching the ball & he’s in a 5-headed mess playing for a coach who loves situational football. 

in TB he’s got RoJo & not much behind him. Shady isn’t the player he was, Dare is ok, but no James White, and as has been mentioned, it’s a much more potent offense than either BUF or NEP.

So it could have simply been the best of the 3 options without some super secret handshake deal that he’d be the man.

I’m just sayin. Hyperbole aside for a second, this looks like a RBBC. Maybe one of them separates. time will tell. 

I have a lot of respect for your takes. I feel a lot differently about this situation. It's possible that your read is correct but I don't think it's likely because A) RoJo is not great imo and B) Fournette is (hidden a little because of his situation). The Bucs just went all in imo and I'll just leave it at that. 

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3 minutes ago, Hot Sauce Guy said:

Nah, you’re the same troll you’ve been for the last 3 pages while I’ve ignored you. I shall continue to do so. 

You go from saying how great Rojo is and TB wouldn’t sign him ever because all reports out of TB are great for Rojo and Brady likes him and so does Arians. Totally confident in that take, even went as far to say Rojo > Fournette. Then, once you’re proven wrong and TB does sign him, so much for that confident take, you’re wavering and hemming/hawing over who might emerge. Why anyone takes you seriously is a mystery. Your wind blows strongly in the direction of whomever you’re invested in but changes on a dime. Either your confident in your takes or you’re throwing stuff at the wall to see what sticks. Can’t be both. Waiting for you to eat the crow you said you’d eat just about 45 min ago

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1 minute ago, dmac37 said:

Brady is the key here, where does Fournette rank in pass pro?

37.3

6th worst in all of football lol 😆

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12 minutes ago, kyoun1e said:

R. Jones just went from my 5th round RB3 target (after Mostert) to round 8 ish where the likes of K. Johnson and P. Lindsay live.

No idea what to do with Fournette. He's gone from 4th round to 12th round and maybe sits with R. Jones around round 8.

This may sound silly but I'm now finding all TB offensive weapons overvalued at current ADP. This is leaning towards a more efficient offense that isn't playing catchup, runs the ball more, and plays better D. 

Fading all of TB.

 

I’m right there with you for a Fri night draft.  Like, exactly this. I don’t think I’d want them in the 7-8 range without role clarity. 

I’m not fading their receivers at all. Heh

i had Mostert just ahead of RoJo too. Luckily both Niner fans in my league are at the 1-2 and I’m 3, so I’ll reach a little 4.10 - no way he makes that turn. 

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"And while Fournette’s running grade was adequate enough, his 37.3 pass-blocking grade was the sixth worst in all of football. Considering the passing game’s importance, this feels like a red flag."

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1 minute ago, DeaLerZ said:

37.3

6th worst in all of football lol 😆

:lmao:

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7 minutes ago, Milkman said:

I have a lot of respect for your takes. I feel a lot differently about this situation. It's possible that your read is correct but I don't think it's likely because A) RoJo is not great imo and B) Fournette is (hidden a little because of his situation). The Bucs just went all in imo and I'll just leave it at that. 

It’s definitely a fair take. 

Good luck to you & your boy. :hifive:

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31 minutes ago, bostonfred said:

Fournette went from probably the worst team in the NFL to one of the best.  There are people out there who think Brady could retake the singke season touchdown record from Manning this year - MJD just said it recently. It's not ridiculous to think that this is good news for fournette.  I would much rather have the rb1 from a great offense than a bad one... 

...if thats what he is..  it could also still be Rojos backfield.  Or rojo could be the James white.  He could be the tiki to fournettes Dayne,  We don't know anything yet and neither do the bucs really.  We just know that they saw the opportunity to add talent and pounced.  

I would love to buy rojo from someone who is overreacting or sell fournette to someone who is too high on him. But I'm probably going to wait and see (I have each in one league as my rb3)

How is Brady going to compete for throwing the most TD in a season if Fournette gets 10+ TD?

This move for Fournette counters that unlikely possibility I think.

I have made excuses for Ronald Jones as a college player that Sam Darnold should have thrown it to him more but I have not ever confused him with James White.

Jones did do alright as a receiver last season splitting targets with Dare Ogunbowale. Based on last years stats Jones was slightly more efficient than Dare but pretty much an even split of targets. Jones had more rushing attempts.

I think you will be catching a falling knife here if that is the expectation.

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This is gonna be like the Pats trading a 4th round pick for Randy Moss in terms of fantasy impact.

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2 minutes ago, Hot Sauce Guy said:

It’s definitely a fair take. 

Good luck to you & your boy. :hifive:

Yeah brother I'm to old for these internet wars. Lolol Fournette could pull a hammy walking into the office to sign the contract. 

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