DocHolliday
Footballguy
I am not going to target or reach for CMC but hope he falls to me. I think he is going to be a PPR monster this season.
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RB Christian McCaffrey, SF (5 Viewers)
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Dr. Octopus
Footballguy
Wait...in a dynasty rookie draft you considered Hunt at 1.01 and he was actually drafted at 1.02? I like Hunt fine, but after months of talent evaluation (which includes actual NFL draft position) a player sees such a huge bump because a marginal talent in front of him gets injured?
Even in my redraft league - which drafted on Saturday after Ware went down on Friday, Hunt went after McCaffrey, Cook, Fournette and Mixon.
I hear you! Ultimately for me, sanity won out and I picked the more naturally gifted Rb in CMC. But the guy behind me with the 2nd pick went for the back that will help him more in 2017 and probably sacrificed the upside he can get with cook mixon or fournette. Then again, who the hell knows...Antonio brown was a 6th rd pick. Arian foster was an UFA if I recall. Trent Richardson. Nuff said lol
What's to say that hunt isn't better than all of them? It's kind of a crap shoot.
Leroy Hoard
Footballguy
PR Sparty
Footballguy
I went into a full point PPR auction draft last Sat night with a plan to not pay top dollar for studs. I essentially let the top 20 go away without hardly bidding. Anyhow, ended up with CMC as my second highest paid player ($28 / $220 budget) behind only Gurley ($29). Not saying my plan of 6-7 3/4 rounders is gonna work, but i'm looking forward to him filling up the PPR stat lines this season. I believe!
jdoggydogg
Footballguy
Some thoughts:
"McCaffrey can't be a lead back." Who cares? How many lead backs are there? Five? Most teams don't have a bellcow RB in the modern NFL. McCaffrey will get plenty of yards and receptions, and he's still likely to score long TDs occasionally even without goalline work.
"McCaffrey was drafted in the first round, so that tells you how Carolina will use him." No. That tells you how Carolina WANTS to use him. The NFL is littered with highly paid first round picks that were underused for the first couple years of their careers. Carolina will clearly use their new weapon. But don't use McCaffrey's draft position as a direct analog for his percentage of touches.
"McCaffrey can't be a lead back." Who cares? How many lead backs are there? Five? Most teams don't have a bellcow RB in the modern NFL. McCaffrey will get plenty of yards and receptions, and he's still likely to score long TDs occasionally even without goalline work.
"McCaffrey was drafted in the first round, so that tells you how Carolina will use him." No. That tells you how Carolina WANTS to use him. The NFL is littered with highly paid first round picks that were underused for the first couple years of their careers. Carolina will clearly use their new weapon. But don't use McCaffrey's draft position as a direct analog for his percentage of touches.
LittlePhatty
Footballguy
Great talent, should get plenty of opportunity. I'm a bit worried about Cam vulturing TDs though.
ryno1980
Footballguy
Yes and Stewart.
But he's a guy that can make people miss and will get in the end zone from the 15 or 20.
Chaka
Footballguy
Crystalsteam99
Footballguy
Newton has NEVER been good at throwing to his RB's..I think CM is being over valued just a little. People always love to reach for the new toy coming into the league with all the hype. I drafted Bush his rookie year,and reached a little that year.I expected a little better #'s that year,and passed on some RB's that would have been much better picks..As long as Stewart and Cam healthy snatching up gl carries,I don't see CM value at where he is being drafted. I do think CM is better than Bush.It drove me nuts when Bush tried to take too many balls to the outside looking for a big play. The NFL is a much faster game than college and have seen too many RB's flop(I DON'T think CM will flop) when they think they can do what they did in college at the NFL level.DocHolliday said:
ryno1980
Footballguy
They've lined him up wide and in the slot though.
And is this even true? He completed 51-of-64 (79 percent) to RBs with four TDs in 2015 and 52 for 67 (77 percent) in 2014. I'd have to research - anybody know? - how that compares to league average ?
Dr. Octopus
Footballguy
Reggie Bush had 565 rushing yards with 6 TDs and 88 receptions for 742 yards and 2 TDs as a rookie - I'd be happy with that form McCaffrey if I drafted him.
B. Nugget
Footballguy
Bush's numbers listed above would have been RB12/13 numbers in my league that drafts on Monday night...we are going from standard to .5 ppr this year, so it would likely have pushed him into the top 10 when catches are figured in.
I'd expect more rushing yards than 565 (around 700 is what I see) and I would be surprised with 88 catches (hoping for around 70), but I'd take them!
I think the Brian Westbrook comparisons are right on, his combined yardage and catches are going to be where his value lies, because I don't see him being a 1,200+ yd. traditional 10-12 TD guy.
I'd expect more rushing yards than 565 (around 700 is what I see) and I would be surprised with 88 catches (hoping for around 70), but I'd take them!
I think the Brian Westbrook comparisons are right on, his combined yardage and catches are going to be where his value lies, because I don't see him being a 1,200+ yd. traditional 10-12 TD guy.
pantherclub
Footballguy
ryno1980
Footballguy
9 carries, 4 receptions a game (5-6 TDs) and close to low-end RB1 production in full-point PPR and doesn't seem unreasonable to me.
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Gr00vus
Footballguy
Panthers homers should really chime in, but I thought the plan was to get Newton to utilize some more short passes this year and have him run a bit less to reduce the amount of hits he takes.
On some of McCaffrey's runs, he reminds me a bit of Emmit Smith. I think he might still be underrated, I think he'll have a pretty big year - like scratching top 12 RB.
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pantherclub
Footballguy
The Panthers have never had a guy or an offense where Cam simply dumps the ball off. Since drafting Cmac (and Samuels) thats all they have talked about in regards to cam. Give him more weapons where he can do quick short passes and really open up the offense. They displayed a bit of this in the preseason but we really saw it on Cams only drive last game. I think Cmac could easily and I mean easily crack the top 12 RB.
Statorama
gangster
He didn't get a lot of love in my snake draft, fell to me in the 5th round which I thought was good value. It's a 2 QB start league which explains a lot, but I saw backs going before him that were head scratchers (Lynch, for example). I'm excited to have him as my lead back.
Mavis
Footballguy
5th is good value, but lead back? Is this PPR? Would not want a rookie as my lead back, even if it was Fournette or Cook who will get more down hill runs, I believe.
Mavis
Footballguy
I would like to see where stats for that are, did you get that from a link? Would love to see who throws to RBs most and least.
SeniorVBDStudent
Footballguy
That is the plan, but those who've watched a lot of Cam can tell you that he has struggled with touch passes / placing a lower velocity floater between layers of a defense. I also have the perception that the Panthers have not really relied on the screen game since back in the days of Steve Smith so I'm not sure how well their linemen can move out and block in space. The bigger concern I have with CMC is that the Panthers have a plethora of viable end zone options (Cam, Stewart, Olsen, KB) which will tend to cap CMC's TD production...but he's such a good player that I think investing in him is a solid option in pretty much all formats, possibly excluding standard scoring redraft.
hardcoredx
Footballguy
200 points in 1pt PPR leagues should be the floor, if he stays healthy. I'm not convinced he'll stay healthy, but he will have a high rb2 /low rb1 PPG floor when he is on the field. I can see higher than Woodhead (in his prime) PPG numbers.
Bronco Billy
Footballguy
So odd after seeing him play that there are still so many people convinced that McCaffrey can't possibly be anything more than a Woodhead/Bush CoP type player. This guy absolutely has the chops to be a lead back and IMO will prove himself to be a better option at RB than Stewart as the season unfolds.
I think a Warrick Dunn type career is his floor and a post-2000 Tiki Barber type career is a very real possibility for him.
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I think a Warrick Dunn type career is his floor and a post-2000 Tiki Barber type career is a very real possibility for him.
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ryno1980
Footballguy
Why is he a health concern? He had 700 some touches at Stanford and missed one career game.
Statorama
gangster
PPR. Would have went in another direction otherwise. In non-PPR you could make a case that CMC isn't draftable
Gandalf
Footballguy
Not draftable seems crazy. I think this time next season McCaffrey will be a top tier RB1 by the way
Bronco Billy
Footballguy
Statorama said:
Make it. I want to hear this.
Statorama
gangster
It's the same reasons you wouldn't draft Sproles outside of PPR. There just isn't enough "oomph" in his game for me to draft him in non-PPR. In a basic TD league the guy isn't even the 4th best option on his team to cross the goal line. There's way too much risk that this guy ends up rushing for 600 yards and 4 TDs. A dude rushing for 50 or so yards a game averaging a TD a month would make him unrosterable IMO.
That said, the guy carries unbelievable value in PPR and you can easily make a case he's a top 15 back in that format. Full disclosure it's been years since I've played non-PPR, so guys that rush for 50 yards a game and score a TD a month may be more valuable now than they were back then.
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[scooter]
Footballguy
Sproles has been a top-30 RB in non-PPR for 4 out of the last 6 years. That makes him draftable in most leagues.
Doctor Detroit
Please remove your headgear
I like that Statorama trolls the Shark Pool like he trolls the FFA. Sarah Palin and Christian McCaffery are strange bedfellows but he makes it work. 
Short Corner
Footballguy
Fantasy Fool
Footballguy
He's the 12th RB off the board in PPR leagues, I feel like he's already being drafted at his ceiling, with not much room for upside. How much higher then RB12 could he possibly finish the season as? I don't see him cracking the top 8 at the RB position. Over hyped at his ADP now, I'll pass.
I'd rather have Kareem Hunt around the same ADP. Andy Reid has had a top 10 PPR back in like 9 of his 13 seasons as head coach.
I'd rather have Kareem Hunt around the same ADP. Andy Reid has had a top 10 PPR back in like 9 of his 13 seasons as head coach.
The more comments I read from mccaffery's detractors, the more convinced I am that they probably haven't watched his tape from the preseason.
Because if you have then you have surely seen that the panthers have not only used him as a receiver but also used him extensively as a Rb and he has proven (at least in preseason) that he has the ability to gain tough yards with SOME power and A LOT of agility and slipperiness. There was one run in particular where he ran up the gut. He made himself small and patiently followed his blockers. The defense couldn't even see him behind his blockers. And then he saw a crease and busted it for 12 yards. You don't have to be a big back to be successful running it up the gut.
Additionally, his college tape shows how his team used him and he was their bellcow, routinely running the ball up the middle for tough yards.
I agree that his td total won't be high this year and Stewart and cam as td vultures at the gl are a real issue. But let's not forget that woodhead, a player that many in here are comparing mccaffery to, was a gl vulture to a bigger back (Gordon) 2 seasons ago and he was the bane of Gordon owners existence in Gordon's rookie year. I can see mccaffery getting SOME love at the gl this year on pass plays and some creative run plays.
I would bank on 7-8 tds total.
He might lead the team in receptions. And I can see 1400+ total yards.
Yes, that makes him a far stronger play in ppr leagues but a viable rb2 in standard leagues. Jmho
the best part of all this is that the season is quickly approaching and we will watch all of this play out.
As always, if I'm wrong I will be happy to come in here and eat crow and admit that either mccaffery sucks or that he's good but his coaches don't utilize him the right way (which is entirely possible).
Because if you have then you have surely seen that the panthers have not only used him as a receiver but also used him extensively as a Rb and he has proven (at least in preseason) that he has the ability to gain tough yards with SOME power and A LOT of agility and slipperiness. There was one run in particular where he ran up the gut. He made himself small and patiently followed his blockers. The defense couldn't even see him behind his blockers. And then he saw a crease and busted it for 12 yards. You don't have to be a big back to be successful running it up the gut.
Additionally, his college tape shows how his team used him and he was their bellcow, routinely running the ball up the middle for tough yards.
I agree that his td total won't be high this year and Stewart and cam as td vultures at the gl are a real issue. But let's not forget that woodhead, a player that many in here are comparing mccaffery to, was a gl vulture to a bigger back (Gordon) 2 seasons ago and he was the bane of Gordon owners existence in Gordon's rookie year. I can see mccaffery getting SOME love at the gl this year on pass plays and some creative run plays.
I would bank on 7-8 tds total.
He might lead the team in receptions. And I can see 1400+ total yards.
Yes, that makes him a far stronger play in ppr leagues but a viable rb2 in standard leagues. Jmho
the best part of all this is that the season is quickly approaching and we will watch all of this play out.
As always, if I'm wrong I will be happy to come in here and eat crow and admit that either mccaffery sucks or that he's good but his coaches don't utilize him the right way (which is entirely possible).
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TheDirtyWord
Footballguy
Jonathan Stewart 2015-2016
3.9 YPC
24 receptions
6 games missed
...he's now on the wrong side of 30 as well.
Bottomline - there is an enormous role on offense simply waiting for McCaffrey to carve it out. He'll need to face plant to not do so.
3.9 YPC
24 receptions
6 games missed
...he's now on the wrong side of 30 as well.
Bottomline - there is an enormous role on offense simply waiting for McCaffrey to carve it out. He'll need to face plant to not do so.
Yup. And even if Stewart stays healthy all year this year. This backfield is mccaffery's in 2018.
shadyridr
Footballguy
Dr. Octopus
Footballguy
SeniorVBDStudent
Footballguy
Understand your point, but I think that's misrepresenting what "so many people" are saying....which I would re-state as although CMC has the potential to take a share of Stewart's early down and short yardage work away, Stewart is NOT a JAG who will quietly fade away. I see posts about Stewart having lost the burst he used to have. Apparently I've been watching a different pre-season. If you are the Panther's coaching staff you use BOTH talented players as tools....and it is this point that people are making when they are tempering expectations about CMC.
Statorama
gangster
Depends on the league, depends on the scoring format.
It's not complicated guys. CMC's value increases the more your league rewards what a RB does as a receiver. Conversely his value decreases the more your league scoring emphasizes what a RB does on the ground and devalues what they do as a receiver.
In leagues where a RB is only rewarded for what he does as a result of handoffs, he's simply not going to score enough consistently enough to warrant drafting.
Statorama
gangster
Not trolling, just a difference of opinion. It's like saying Blount isn't draftable in PPR, I can argue that case just as well.
Dr. Octopus
Footballguy
Are there any leagues that don't count receiving yards for a RB? That would seem strange.
Statorama
gangster
That's why I felt a clarification was needed. I've played in all kinds of leagues with all kinds of rules.
shadyridr
Footballguy
Yes in the 1 in a thousand leagues that don't count receiving yards for RBs he is undraftable. I hope the one person who plays in that league sees your post.
King of the Jungle
Footballguy
One of the more polarizing players I can remember. I pulled the trigger in the 3rd round (PPR) and am excited to see how this plays out. I would think a pretty low floor most games but I hope he can hit a few high ceilings during the year.
