DocHolliday
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I am not going to target or reach for CMC but hope he falls to me. I think he is going to be a PPR monster this season.
Wait...in a dynasty rookie draft you considered Hunt at 1.01 and he was actually drafted at 1.02? I like Hunt fine, but after months of talent evaluation (which includes actual NFL draft position) a player sees such a huge bump because a marginal talent in front of him gets injured?Well, for better of for worse I'm all in on CMC. Took him at 1.1 in my rookie draft today. I had a temptation to go with Kareem hunt after Ware's season ended but I didn't have the balls to pass up on one of the big 4 for him. The guy RT behind me grabbed hunt at 1.2!
I hear you! Ultimately for me, sanity won out and I picked the more naturally gifted Rb in CMC. But the guy behind me with the 2nd pick went for the back that will help him more in 2017 and probably sacrificed the upside he can get with cook mixon or fournette. Then again, who the hell knows...Antonio brown was a 6th rd pick. Arian foster was an UFA if I recall. Trent Richardson. Nuff said lolWait...in a dynasty rookie draft you considered Hunt at 1.01 and he was actually drafted at 1.02? I like Hunt fine, but after months of talent evaluation (which includes actual NFL draft position) a player sees such a huge bump because a marginal talent in front of him gets injured?
Even in my redraft league - which drafted on Saturday after Ware went down on Friday, Hunt went after McCaffrey, Cook, Fournette and Mixon.
Just means he can fit through even more tiny holes.Well, they're white. That's about it. I guess we could say he plays like a tiny mike Allstot......
Yes and Stewart.Great talent, should get plenty of opportunity. I'm a bit worried about Cam vulturing TDs though.
Yes and Stewart.
But he's a guy that can make people miss and will get in the end zone from the 15 or 20.
Newton has NEVER been good at throwing to his RB's..I think CM is being over valued just a little. People always love to reach for the new toy coming into the league with all the hype. I drafted Bush his rookie year,and reached a little that year.I expected a little better #'s that year,and passed on some RB's that would have been much better picks..As long as Stewart and Cam healthy snatching up gl carries,I don't see CM value at where he is being drafted. I do think CM is better than Bush.It drove me nuts when Bush tried to take too many balls to the outside looking for a big play. The NFL is a much faster game than college and have seen too many RB's flop(I DON'T think CM will flop) when they think they can do what they did in college at the NFL level.DocHolliday said:I am not going to target or reach for CMC but hope he falls to me. I think he is going to be a PPR monster this season.
They've lined him up wide and in the slot though.Newton has NEVER been good at throwing to his RB's..
Reggie Bush had 565 rushing yards with 6 TDs and 88 receptions for 742 yards and 2 TDs as a rookie - I'd be happy with that form McCaffrey if I drafted him.Newton has NEVER been good at throwing to his RB's..I think CM is being over valued just a little. People always love to reach for the new toy coming into the league with all the hype. I drafted Bush his rookie year,and reached a little that year.I expected a little better #'s that year,and passed on some RB's that would have been much better picks..As long as Stewart and Cam healthy snatching up gl carries,I don't see CM value at where he is being drafted. I do think CM is better than Bush.It drove me nuts when Bush tried to take too many balls to the outside looking for a big play. The NFL is a much faster game than college and have seen too many RB's flop(I DON'T think CM will flop) when they think they can do what they did in college at the NFL level.
probably closer to 13-15what's a reasonable # of touches per game to expect? 10?
9 carries, 4 receptions a game (5-6 TDs) and close to low-end RB1 production in full-point PPR and doesn't seem unreasonable to me.probably closer to 13-15
Panthers homers should really chime in, but I thought the plan was to get Newton to utilize some more short passes this year and have him run a bit less to reduce the amount of hits he takes.Newton has NEVER been good at throwing to his RB's..I think CM is being over valued just a little. People always love to reach for the new toy coming into the league with all the hype. I drafted Bush his rookie year,and reached a little that year.I expected a little better #'s that year,and passed on some RB's that would have been much better picks..As long as Stewart and Cam healthy snatching up gl carries,I don't see CM value at where he is being drafted. I do think CM is better than Bush.It drove me nuts when Bush tried to take too many balls to the outside looking for a big play. The NFL is a much faster game than college and have seen too many RB's flop(I DON'T think CM will flop) when they think they can do what they did in college at the NFL level.
The Panthers have never had a guy or an offense where Cam simply dumps the ball off. Since drafting Cmac (and Samuels) thats all they have talked about in regards to cam. Give him more weapons where he can do quick short passes and really open up the offense. They displayed a bit of this in the preseason but we really saw it on Cams only drive last game. I think Cmac could easily and I mean easily crack the top 12 RB.Panthers homers should really chime in, but I thought the plan was to get Newton to utilize some more short passes this year and have him run a bit less to reduce the amount of hits he takes.
On some of McCaffrey's runs, he reminds me a bit of Emmit Smith. I think he might still be underrated, I think he'll have a pretty big year - like scratching top 12 RB.
5th is good value, but lead back? Is this PPR? Would not want a rookie as my lead back, even if it was Fournette or Cook who will get more down hill runs, I believe.He didn't get a lot of love in my snake draft, fell to me in the 5th round which I thought was good value. It's a 2 QB start league which explains a lot, but I saw backs going before him that were head scratchers (Lynch, for example). I'm excited to have him as my lead back.
I would like to see where stats for that are, did you get that from a link? Would love to see who throws to RBs most and least.They've lined him up wide and in the slot though.
And is this even true? He completed 51-of-64 (79 percent) to RBs with four TDs in 2015 and 52 for 67 (77 percent) in 2014. I'd have to research - anybody know? - how that compares to league average ?
That is the plan, but those who've watched a lot of Cam can tell you that he has struggled with touch passes / placing a lower velocity floater between layers of a defense. I also have the perception that the Panthers have not really relied on the screen game since back in the days of Steve Smith so I'm not sure how well their linemen can move out and block in space. The bigger concern I have with CMC is that the Panthers have a plethora of viable end zone options (Cam, Stewart, Olsen, KB) which will tend to cap CMC's TD production...but he's such a good player that I think investing in him is a solid option in pretty much all formats, possibly excluding standard scoring redraft.Panthers homers should really chime in, but I thought the plan was to get Newton to utilize some more short passes this year and have him run a bit less to reduce the amount of hits he takes.
On some of McCaffrey's runs, he reminds me a bit of Emmit Smith. I think he might still be underrated, I think he'll have a pretty big year - like scratching top 12 RB.
Why is he a health concern? He had 700 some touches at Stanford and missed one career game.200 points in 1pt PPR leagues should be the floor, if he stays healthy. I'm not convinced he'll stay healthy, but he will have a high rb2 /low rb1 PPG floor when he is on the field. I can see higher than Woodhead (in his prime) PPG numbers.
PPR. Would have went in another direction otherwise. In non-PPR you could make a case that CMC isn't draftable5th is good value, but lead back? Is this PPR? Would not want a rookie as my lead back, even if it was Fournette or Cook who will get more down hill runs, I believe.
Not draftable seems crazy. I think this time next season McCaffrey will be a top tier RB1 by the wayPPR. Would have went in another direction otherwise. In non-PPR you could make a case that CMC isn't draftable
Statorama said:PPR. Would have went in another direction otherwise. In non-PPR you could make a case that CMC isn't draftable
Statorama said:PPR. Would have went in another direction otherwise. In non-PPR you could make a case that CMC isn't draftable
It's the same reasons you wouldn't draft Sproles outside of PPR. There just isn't enough "oomph" in his game for me to draft him in non-PPR. In a basic TD league the guy isn't even the 4th best option on his team to cross the goal line. There's way too much risk that this guy ends up rushing for 600 yards and 4 TDs. A dude rushing for 50 or so yards a game averaging a TD a month would make him unrosterable IMO.Make it. I want to hear this.
Sproles has been a top-30 RB in non-PPR for 4 out of the last 6 years. That makes him draftable in most leagues.It's the same reasons you wouldn't draft Sproles outside of PPR.
Agree. Would even add that, right now, I'm taking Bush's career or McCaffrey every day and twice on Sunday. Guy had a decent career.I'm not going to get into a big debate about it, but trying to color Reggie Bush as a product of the USC system reeks of hindsight bias. He was a dominant force and a Heisman winner. While he always had detractors as an NFL prospect, it was considered a mild shock when Houston passed on him with the #1 pick in the entire draft. That says a lot about how he was viewed at the time. He was a sensation and about as hyped coming into the league as any RB prospect has been in the past 10-15 years.
That said, I don't think I ever argued that Bush = McCaffrey or that one is better than the other. If anything, I think my first comment on the matter was just to suggest that they aren't really very alike. The height/weight look similar and they're both versatile backs from the Pac-10/Pac-12, but they play a lot differently. I don't see how citing Reggie Bush's NFL career is that relevant to a discussion of McCaffrey, though I'd also argue that Bush actually had a pretty good pro career (just nowhere near what was expected).
Said the pot to the kettle.I like that Statorama trolls the Shark Pool like he trolls the FFA.
Yup. And even if Stewart stays healthy all year this year. This backfield is mccaffery's in 2018.Jonathan Stewart 2015-2016
3.9 YPC
24 receptions
6 games missed
...he's now on the wrong side of 30 as well.
Bottomline - there is an enormous role on offense simply waiting for McCaffrey to carve it out. He'll need to face plant to not do so.
You still get points for receiving yards in nonPPRIt's the same reasons you wouldn't draft Sproles outside of PPR. There just isn't enough "oomph" in his game for me to draft him in non-PPR. In a basic TD league the guy isn't even the 4th best option on his team to cross the goal line. There's way too much risk that this guy ends up rushing for 600 yards and 4 TDs. A dude rushing for 50 or so yards a game averaging a TD a month would make him unrosterable IMO.
That said, the guy carries unbelievable value in PPR and you can easily make a case he's a top 15 back in that format. Full disclosure it's been years since I've played non-PPR, so guys that rush for 50 yards a game and score a TD a month may be more valuable now than they were back then.
lack of oomph cancels them out in his league.You still get points for receiving yards in nonPPR
Understand your point, but I think that's misrepresenting what "so many people" are saying....which I would re-state as although CMC has the potential to take a share of Stewart's early down and short yardage work away, Stewart is NOT a JAG who will quietly fade away. I see posts about Stewart having lost the burst he used to have. Apparently I've been watching a different pre-season. If you are the Panther's coaching staff you use BOTH talented players as tools....and it is this point that people are making when they are tempering expectations about CMC.So odd after seeing him play that there are still so many people convinced that McCaffrey can't possibly be anything more than a Woodhead/Bush CoP type player. This guy absolutely has the chops to be a lead back and IMO will prove himself to be a better option at RB than Stewart as the season unfolds.
I think a Warrick Dunn type career is his floor and a post-2000 Tiki Barber type career is a very real possibility for him.
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Depends on the league, depends on the scoring format.You still get points for receiving yards in nonPPR
Not trolling, just a difference of opinion. It's like saying Blount isn't draftable in PPR, I can argue that case just as well.I like that Statorama trolls the Shark Pool like he trolls the FFA.
Are there any leagues that don't count receiving yards for a RB? That would seem strange.Depends on the league, depends on the scoring format.
It's not complicated guys. CMC's value increases the more your league rewards what a RB does as a receiver. Conversely his value decreases the more your league scoring emphasizes what a RB does on the ground and devalues what they do as a receiver.
In leagues where a RB is only rewarded for what he does as a result of handoffs, he's simply not going to score enough consistently enough to warrant drafting.
That's why I felt a clarification was needed. I've played in all kinds of leagues with all kinds of rules.Are there any leagues that don't count receiving yards for a RB? That would seem strange.
Yes in the 1 in a thousand leagues that don't count receiving yards for RBs he is undraftable. I hope the one person who plays in that league sees your post.Depends on the league, depends on the scoring format.
It's not complicated guys. CMC's value increases the more your league rewards what a RB does as a receiver. Conversely his value decreases the more your league scoring emphasizes what a RB does on the ground and devalues what they do as a receiver.
In leagues where a RB is only rewarded for what he does as a result of handoffs, he's simply not going to score enough consistently enough to warrant drafting.