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*Official 2016 Philadelphia Eagles* - The year of Change (1 Viewer)
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Pretty sure neither Sproles, Mathews, Barner, or Murray would lead the team in rushing.
Amused to Death
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Really?? Not sure I'd be on board with that. The guy has no personality and I understand he's not very friendly towards his players. I'd pass.
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I realize it's to my team (Skins) advantage if the Eagles don't do well, but I wouldn't wish Mike Shanahan on you guys. He's a bad coach and a financial liability to any team he coaches. His shining moments were with John Elway, and he's well past his prime. His defenses have seldom if ever been good; he hires DC's he likes and lets them perform terribly, until he himself begins to interfere with defensive strategy. Haslett never said it with the Redskins but other coaches and players did --- Haslett would set up their defensive game plan for the week, they'd practice it all week, and on Friday or Saturday Shanahan would come announce to them that they were using a different defensive strategy.
Too much is made of him being "right" about Cousins vs. Griffin. He rode Griffin to his only playoff appearance in Washington, and if he ever wanted to replace Griffin he didn't have the nads to do so despite outranking the GM in authority. 2 years later little kid Jay Gruden came in and had the nads to do it --- bench Griffin for Cousins -- so I think a good bit of the "Shanahan preferred Cousins over Griffin" story is revisionist history, something Shanahan excels at.
Shanahan's good at zone blocking offense, that's about it. A player gets in his doghouse and he does everything he can to humiliate and devalue the player, instead of speaking well of them and trading them for whatever he can get. He's just............. a bad choice as a head coach any more.
If you like arrogant guys who are never wrong, who are past their prime, and who rub people the wrong way, he's your man. I don't think the Eagles are looking for that.
Too much is made of him being "right" about Cousins vs. Griffin. He rode Griffin to his only playoff appearance in Washington, and if he ever wanted to replace Griffin he didn't have the nads to do so despite outranking the GM in authority. 2 years later little kid Jay Gruden came in and had the nads to do it --- bench Griffin for Cousins -- so I think a good bit of the "Shanahan preferred Cousins over Griffin" story is revisionist history, something Shanahan excels at.
Shanahan's good at zone blocking offense, that's about it. A player gets in his doghouse and he does everything he can to humiliate and devalue the player, instead of speaking well of them and trading them for whatever he can get. He's just............. a bad choice as a head coach any more.
If you like arrogant guys who are never wrong, who are past their prime, and who rub people the wrong way, he's your man. I don't think the Eagles are looking for that.
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Long Ball Larry
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It was suggested on the pre-game WIP stuff yesterday that it was also partly for Lurie to get more feedback about what the players are saying and thinking, since they supposedly trust Duce and talk to him a lot.
Also, re: Peters, it was suggested that perhaps in a different offense he could be more useful, particularly if he were using his size and weight. In Chip's offense, that was irrelevant, but in a different scheme, it could work a lot more to his advantage.
Insein
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Which is exhibit a why the prob bowl means nothing. No one watches olinemen. So once you're declared "the best" you're voted in for several years after that barring injury.
Polish Hammer
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I am aware of that. Just wanted to share the bit of trivia I had on him.
Billy Bats
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Why would he be doing the exit interviews? I would think that falls onto Howie or Donohue under current circumstances.
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Shurmur joked that his last duty was to get the team on the buses and then safely back to Philadelphia. In reality, he will also run the exit interviews on Monday as the players clear out their lockers and head into that murky unknown.
"I'll handle that role as if I was the head coach," he said.
Then the understudy will step aside, and no one knows who will play the part next. For one week, it was Pat Shurmur. The reviews were good, but the show still closed.
http://www.philly.com/philly/sports/eagles/20160104_Shurmur_steadies_Eagles_for_finale.html#y4IfXUSQ23SZ3rCA.99
"I'll handle that role as if I was the head coach," he said.
Then the understudy will step aside, and no one knows who will play the part next. For one week, it was Pat Shurmur. The reviews were good, but the show still closed.
http://www.philly.com/philly/sports/eagles/20160104_Shurmur_steadies_Eagles_for_finale.html#y4IfXUSQ23SZ3rCA.99
babydemon90
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So, Bradford's agent (Condon) is the same one as Maclin switched to that saw him leave town. I suspect we'll have to use the franchise tag as leverage to keep him here, then hopefully once it's on him, he'll sign a longer deal. regardless of coach - there aren't any better options out there. We can win and be successful with Bradford, imo.
GoBirds
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Never liked him but I think a lot of that was he coached a rival. I do wonder how much friction there was with ownership while he was there though as you mention the whole Griffin/Cousins debacle. Just the fact that he took Cousins though in the same draft has to make you think he was very against RG3?
Deamon
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I think at this point, despite all the bashing he took, there may only be 1 or 2 eagles fans who have ever posted in here who don't want to keep Bradford here next year.
JAA
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Wasnt Condon Orlando Pace's agent for all those years he was tagged?
All I remember about that was Pace showed up like 1 week before the season started.
Pip's Invitation
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Do not want Shanny the Elder. If Lurie thought there was too much discord with Kelly, what does he think would happen with Shanny? The 2013 Redskins were in total turmoil, and Shanny was responsible for many of the leaks to let the world know about it. That wasn't all on Snyder. Everything I've read about Shanny indicates he's just as inflexible and imperious as Kelly is. He can construct a good running game, but that's about it.
Plus, post-Elway, his choices of DCs and meddling on the defensive side of the ball have both been disastrous.
Plus, post-Elway, his choices of DCs and meddling on the defensive side of the ball have both been disastrous.
Ash
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Then the team can work out details of an offer and contract with the agent, who can talk to the coach whenever he likes obviously. It's only direct team <-> candidate contact which is not allowed. That's how Dan Quinn had everything worked out with the Falcons and could sign as he walked out of the stadium following the Seahawks SB loss.
Ash
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They've drafted for need the last two years and it hasn't worked out, although Agholor does flash some potential. I hope they go back to a BPA approach. If they do pick an OT they think can play straight away I'm fine if they let Peters go, or keep him for one more year.
Ash
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Restructuring to save cap space involves converting current year salary to signing bonus, so the player doesn't get less money (and may get more money as an incentive) so the signing bonus component is spread across the remaining contract years.
The problem with this approach is that you end up creating a bigger problem in future years than you have today, ie the player's cap figure will be even higher, and their performance likely declined even further. And all this so we can retain a player who's overpaid right now.
Teams who do this a lot end up carrying so much dead money they often have to gut the roster altogether and/or can't afford to retain the talented younger players they might have. The only time this approach is acceptable is to keep the nucleus of a Superbowl calibre team together for an extra couple of years, so not the Eagles right now.
Better just to rip off the bandaid and be done with it, IMO.
Ash
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The LB thing may have something to do with it, although I'm sure there's plenty of good ST units who's teams use a 4-3. I think Dave Fipp and Sproles are the biggest factors.
The toughest thing with the 3-4 though, and why I think ours ultimately failed is that the large majority of the pass rush has to come from two players, the OLBs, and players who can set the edge, cover and consistently beat OTs 1:1 are incredibly difficult to find. We never had one in 3 years. Barwin is a really good player, but he's just an OK pass rusher. If you look at the sacks he had in 2014, he's rarely just straight up beating an OL 1:1, they mostly came through line stunts and other scheme tricks or just sheer persistence if the QB holds the ball. That's great and I'll take them, but it's not the same as having a guy who can just line up and win with a vanilla play call.
4-3 DEs who can rush are just a lot easier to find.
Ash
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If McDaniels is ever a successful HC, he'll be the first Bellichick assistant in over a decade to do it. I just shake my head at how brilliant Bellichick is, because he's not getting help from coaches who are great on their own, the league has proved that over the years.
Think about what McDaniels did in Denver. He not only thought Tebow was an NFL starter, but worth multiple draft picks including a first rounder, after having coached Tom Brady. If that's what he knows about the QB position, Boston isn't far enough away from the team for me.
Then when he got fired in Denver, he didn't go out in the league and get a job where he could continue to develop and prove himself. He ran straight back to Daddy. No thanks.
Bigboy10182000
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So if Gase leaves tomorrow without the job Howie is back to being a guy who can't work with coaches, right?
Mighty Mice
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Was just discussing this with a buddy. Patricia's names came up (NE DC), and we rattled off several of the old coordinators who coached under Belichick, and couldn't think of one real good example where it worked out.
Weiss, Crennel, McDaniels, Mangini...buyer beware.
ETA I guess the best would be Bill O'Brien?
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ShaHBucks
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Try to replicate Bellichick all you want. It doesn't work without Tom Brady.
Mighty Mice
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According to Footballoutsiders.com (http://www.footballoutsiders.com/stats/teamst) Philly had the #9 ranked ST unit. The top 8 all ran a base 4-3.
Kwai Chang Caine
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I want Hugh Jackson. I think he fits philly perfectly. Hopefully he gets a good DC. I think Jackson could get a lot out the talent on offense currently here. I don't hold his time in Oakland against him. Didn't he actually have. .500 record? Not bad considering how dysfunctional that org has been.
Mighty Mice
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Oakland has had 15 seasons in a row w/o a winning record. 13 losing seasons and 2 .500 records.
Hue was the OC in 2010 and HC in 2011, the two years they were .500. He was fired after Al died, and new ownership brought in Reggie McKenzie and gutted the staff.
His big move was giving up a 1/2 for Palmer, who was holding out in CIN. He was traded mid season and played half a year for Oakland before Hue got canned.
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Kwai Chang Caine
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I think Hue and Bradford could be a nice combo no? He's done well with Dalton and I think Bradford is AT LEAST the equal of him.
Mighty Mice
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IDK what to make of Hue. Interesting article here post-Oak firing giving some detail into what kind of coach he was and players' perspectives on him: http://sports.yahoo.com/news/jackson-says-raiders-owner-made-011200648--nfl.html
Wouldn't have a problem with it, as he's had success as position coach/OC everywhere he has been.
Lurie set to interview Marone after Gase. Yuck. No thanks.
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Don't love Jackson... think its just a boring hire. But I'd be fine with it. I've cooled down a lot on McDermott, Shurmur, and McDaniels over the last day. I still really want Gase, he's been my #1 want since day 1.
It will be weird though, they pretty much have to offer him the job tomorrow without even kicking the tires on the other guys. I guess if we do hire him tomorrow, that means he blew us away. Can't remember if he had many interviews last year and knows the process or not. Just hope our FO is prepared to blow him away and not want him to leave.
babydemon90
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I'm coming around on Shurmur, actually. Given the turmoil of the past offseason - I think he'd bring some stability and continuity to the group - he'll be familiar with everyone, no learning curve getting to know the players. As long as he doesn't retain Billy Davis, of course...
None_More_Black
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Todd Haley had his problems in K.C and was kind of Chip Kelly light but he overcame some obstacles in Pitt and is now a fan favorite when even Big Ben didn't want him intially. Great passing game and Hall had an amazing year as a backup when everyone thought he was washed up. Don't see why we don't at least bring him in for an interview.
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It took him years. Years. To figure out Jamal charles was the best rb in kc. He's got top notch talent in pitt. He is nothing special.
He's known to be very surly. Another coach that players don't like. I remember Anquan Boldin wanting to rip his head off on the sidelines a few years back when they were in Arizona. Can't see Philly bringing in another guy the players won't like.
unckeyherb
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Sean McDermott would be a welcome addition in my opinion. He's on 975 the fanatic right now and, man he gets it. Interesting sidenote, since McDermitt became defensive Cordinator and Carolina five years ago they're the only team to finish in the top 10 defensively each year since.
Kwai Chang Caine
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Yes!! Just wrapping up! Man I'd take him with Shermerbas OC and keep Bradford. This would be awesome. Just think about what Kurt Coleman was here and what he's done in Carolina.
Donny Loved Bowling
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Saw a blurb on Rotoworld about Dirk Kotter being considered for Eagles gig.
No thanks.
No thanks.
I agree. That's a combination I'd be happy with. Was listening to a few players last night and they all seem to like Shermer. Not sure McDermott wouldn't have his own guy in mind for OC, but the prospect of McDermott/Shermer/Bradford being here next year is exciting.
Amused to Death
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Heard it as well. It started as I was getting in my car and they were wrapping up as I was getting to the office parking lot. Great interview and was very impressive. As they pointed out on the show, it sounded like McDermott was speaking directly to Lurie. He hit all the main points about being a players' coach and being personable. And I liked how he mentioned the Schuikill Expressway and I-95 (hey Jeff! I'm a Philly guy. wink wink).
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