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avoiding injuries said:
People had to have known that a group was going to pop up that would be on the opposing side of BLM. 
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You're kidding yourself if you think the alt-right started in response to BLM. 

And also, the predictability of racist schmucks doesn't in any way validate them. I'm not surprised by the alt-right turds, but it doesn't lessen my disgust for them or anyone who tries to justify their existence.

 
chauncey said:
https://yiannopoulos.net/

Coming to a campus near you this fall!

It is amazing that a gay white man who talks openly about his sexual relations with black men triggers so many middle aged white men into calling him a racist and a bigot.

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He is vile.

You are either just trolling, which is boring, or don't actually know the raw sewage he spews on a regular basis.

Those are the only options. There is no possible way in this physical universe that you believe what you just posted.

Let me ask you: Why trolling? What's the joy, can you explain it? Help me understand. 

 
Will Trump’s poisonous politics leave lasting damage?


https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/will-trumps-poisonous-politics-leave-lasting-damage/2016/08/30/6fd1e274-6e1b-11e6-8533-6b0b0ded0253_story.html?utm_term=.92bdc484fc8e

Donald Trump is mainstreaming hate. That was the central message of Hillary Clinton’s speech last week in Reno, Nev., where she detailed Trump’s record of stoking racism and conspiracy theories. “From the start,” she declared, “Donald Trump has built his campaign on prejudice and paranoia.”

Clinton certainly had a point. Even before the start of his campaign, it was Trump’s disgraceful crusade to “prove” that President Obama was not actually born in the United States that laid the foundation for his victory in the Republican primaries. His most despicable statements of the election — from calling Mexican immigrants “rapists” to promoting the lie that “thousands” of Muslims in New Jersey celebrated the Sept. 11 attacks — have only cemented his hero status among bigots and cranks who were previously relegated to the fringes of society.

While past Republican nominees have flirted with extremists, none has embraced or encouraged them so openly. As Clinton pointed out, Trump has brought out of the online shadows an emerging movement known as the “alt-right.” Despite lacking clear leaders or a cohesive ideology, the alt-right “is bound together by common enemies: women, minorities, immigrants and national institutions that, by their worldview, threaten the freedom of white men with the toxic sword of political correctness,” Jack Smith IV writes. Notably, in his former role as the chairman of Breitbart Media, Trump’s new campaign chief executive Stephen Bannon boasted, “We’re the platform for the alt-right.”

Trump has not merely given voice to the visceral hatred in our midst. With his brazen lies and his childish taunts, Trump has also effectively given permission for people to say virtually anything in public without regard for facts or fear of repercussions. This could have a lasting impact on our public discourse regardless of how Trump fares in November.

Already, Trump has debased the political debate. As Felix Salmon observes, Trump’s outrageous behavior “tends to render invisible severe and important policy distinctions,” which is a problem especially in state and local races where Trump is not one of the choices. “This year, the effect is likely to be felt strongly in down-ticket races, where Democratic and Republican candidates are finding it incredibly hard to cut through the noise of the presidential race and to have substantive debates,” he writes.

Meanwhile, Trump’s impact is also increasingly apparent among our children. In April, the Southern Poverty Law Center released a report finding that many kids “have been emboldened by the divisive, often juvenile rhetoric in the campaign,” with teachers witnessing among their students “an increase in bullying, harassment and intimidation.” At the same time, members of the alt-right have turned online bullying and harassment into something of a sport; their unrelenting abuse of “Saturday Night Live” star Leslie Jones is the latest example in an ugly trend.

Some have expressed hope that, in the event that Trump loses, Trump-ism will go down with him. That may be wishful thinking. Even a landslide seems unlikely to deter Trump’s most rabid fans, especially if he continues to claim that the election was “rigged.” In addition, there are credible rumors that Trump’s fallback plan is to establish a media presence — possibly working with Bannon and former Fox News head Roger Ailes — that could compete with Fox News for supremacy on the right.

Regardless of the outcome, there is no reason to believe that a Trump defeat would reverse the damage his campaign has already done, especially its impact on how young people view the political process. Millennial voters, who were so energized by Bernie Sanders, are rejecting Trump in overwhelming numbers. But they could ultimately decide to reject politics altogether — both in 2016 and for years to come. With U.S. voter turnout hovering at just more than 50 percent, this would be devastating for our democracy.

Over the coming weeks, the election will only become more brutal. As Trump scorches the earth with his vitriolic tweets and verbal assaults, Clinton should guard against the cynicism his campaign has inspired by making a concerted effort to reach the millions of young people whose voices still need to be heard. And no matter what the polls say, Clinton and her supporters should remember that the danger in this election is not just that Trump could win. It’s that — win or lose — he could poison our politics for a generation.

 
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Rove! said:
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How do you feel about blaming it on the over-liberalization of America?

''Hey, these whiny college kid SJW have no clue about the real world. I am sick of welfare cheats gaming the system while I work hard. I think I'll try and ruin someone's life via Twitter.''

That make sense to you, buddy?

Some things aren't worth seeing from the other side.  Some things are not defensible.  This is one of them. The bullying ####heads that make up the base of this group are awful little men (and they are ALL men).  Hateful towards women, cowards that hide behind anonymous social media accounts, and cheer the opportunistic scumbags that have the guts to actually show their face to be this terrible.  

I don't really give a #### where they came from, or what this can be attributed to.  Maybe a rapist had a bad childhood.  That's a bummer for him.  He's still a rapist.  If the right wants to blame the alt-right on liberals, they can.  That's about what I would expect from the right.  Confronted with a terrible group of people in their ranks? Blame the left. This is why the GOP is a dumpster fire.  

 
It's never that simple...its an amalgamation

i think a lot it's heart is what us seen as a betrayal and selling out of the average citizen to further philosophical ideals.  they see free trade agreements as the US accepting the short end of the stick for the sake of a better relationship with other countries.  They see an immigration policy that asks them to accept lower demand for their labor (equating to lower wages), and less safety in thier communities for the sake of corporate profits.  There is a common theme caving in and being weak in defending the rights of the citizens.  A cuckold is seen as a weak and cowardly person and why this use of cuck and its various forms is a popular theme.

Anotherthread is that In decades past, the Republicans tended to be the party of big business and the Democrats the party of the common people.  Things have changed in the last twenty five years and the Democrats have become pretty corporate.  This seems to have left a void as well.

The sense of betrayal of the common people by "the elites" is a sting theme.

 
Rove! said:
It's never that simple...its an amalgamation

i think a lot it's heart is what us seen as a betrayal and selling out of the average citizen to further philosophical ideals.  they see free trade agreements as the US accepting the short end of the stick for the sake of a better relationship with other countries.  They see an immigration policy that asks them to accept lower demand for their labor (equating to lower wages), and less safety in thier communities for the sake of corporate profits.  There is a common theme caving in and being weak in defending the rights of the citizens.  A cuckold is seen as a weak and cowardly person and why this use of cuck and its various forms is a popular theme.

Anotherthread is that In decades past, the Republicans tended to be the party of big business and the Democrats the party of the common people.  Things have changed in the last twenty five years and the Democrats have become pretty corporate.  This seems to have left a void as well.

The sense of betrayal of the common people by "the elites" is a sting theme.
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Gosh, they sure shoud like level-headed people, with a concern for their communities and their fellow man!  

 
The views of the alt-right are widely seen as anti-Semitic and white supremacist.

It is mostly an online movement that uses websites, chat boards, social media and memes to spread its message. (Remember the Star of David image that Trump received criticism for retweeting? That reportedly first appeared on an alt-right message board.)

Most of its members are young white men who see themselves first and foremost as champions of their own demographic. However, apart from their allegiance to their "tribe," as they call it, their greatest points of unity lie in what they are against: multiculturalism, immigration, feminism and, above all, political correctness.

"They see political correctness really as the greatest threat to their liberty," Nicole Hemmer, University of Virginia professor and author of a forthcoming bookMessengers of the Right, explained on Morning Edition.

"So, they believe saying racist or anti-Semitic things—it's is not an act of hate, but an act of freedom," she said.

For that reason, as well as for fun and notoriety, alt-righters like to troll, prank and provoke.

One of their favorite slams is to label someone a "cukservative," loosely translated by the Daily Caller as a cuckolded conservative, or "race traitor" who has surrendered his masculinity
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Doooshbags.

End of story.  

 
Rove! said:
It's never that simple...its an amalgamation

i think a lot it's heart is what us seen as a betrayal and selling out of the average citizen to further philosophical ideals.  they see free trade agreements as the US accepting the short end of the stick for the sake of a better relationship with other countries.  They see an immigration policy that asks them to accept lower demand for their labor (equating to lower wages), and less safety in thier communities for the sake of corporate profits.  There is a common theme caving in and being weak in defending the rights of the citizens.  A cuckold is seen as a weak and cowardly person and why this use of cuck and its various forms is a popular theme.

Anotherthread is that In decades past, the Republicans tended to be the party of big business and the Democrats the party of the common people.  Things have changed in the last twenty five years and the Democrats have become pretty corporate.  This seems to have left a void as well.

The sense of betrayal of the common people by "the elites" is a sting theme.
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This is Rove-level spin, all righty. The alt-right isn't concerned about protecting the rights of citizens unless those citizens are white and Christian. You can be for restraint of corporatism without being against our minority citizens.

 
Why Trump is a poster boy for the Alt-right?

1. Refused to condemn the white supremacists who are campaigning for him.

2. Claimed  a judge was biased because “he’s a Mexican”

3. The Justice Department sued his company ― twice ― for not renting to black people.

4  Attacked Muslim Gold Star parents.

5. Openly questioned whether President Obama was born in the United States and did not let it go after it was proven.

6. Encouraged mob justice that resulted in the wrongful imprisonment of the Central Park Five and Trump still thinks they are guilty.

7. Called Mexican immigrants rapists and murders - called his supporters who beat up a homeless Latino man “passionate”

8. Shared an anti-Semitic meme created by white supremacists and stereotyped Jews.

 
Flying Spaghetti Monster said:
Why Trump is a poster boy for the Alt-right?

1. Refused to condemn the white supremacists who are campaigning for him.

2. Claimed  a judge was biased because “he’s a Mexican”

3. The Justice Department sued his company ― twice ― for not renting to black people.

4  Attacked Muslim Gold Star parents.

5. Openly questioned whether President Obama was born in the United States and did not let it go after it was proven.

6. Encouraged mob justice that resulted in the wrongful imprisonment of the Central Park Five and Trump still thinks they are guilty.

7. Called Mexican immigrants rapists and murders - called his supporters who beat up a homeless Latino man “passionate”

8. Shared an anti-Semitic meme created by white supremacists and stereotyped Jews.
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Yeah, but he's not politically correct and that's what's really important.

 
roadkill1292 said:
Yeah, but he's not politically correct and that's what's really important.
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Hey, it's a real problem.  We can't have people walking around not insulting each other.  

That's the funniest part of these impotent little clowns, PC is their big issue.  This is the #1 concern. We are getting too PC.  

 
There is a common theme caving in and being weak in defending the rights of the citizens.  A cuckold is seen as a weak and cowardly person and why this use of cuck and its various forms is a popular theme.
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People insult others with what they are afraid of being.  Most of these Trump voters have little going for them and fear their wives will look for someone better.  Thus the popularity of the 'cuck' insult.  Ironic considering Trump's wife cheated on him.

 
massraider said:
Hey, it's a real problem.  We can't have people walking around not insulting each other.  

That's the funniest part of these impotent little clowns, PC is their big issue.  This is the #1 concern. We are getting too PC.  
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It's really crazy. PC is what used to be called "politeness". Basic life lesson #1; "treat others the way you wish to be treated". Simple stuff most good parent teach their kids. Why anyone is proud to be against that is beyond me.

If people want to be against being polite, go for it. Those same people really shouldn't get butthurt when they get called out for acting like crass dooshbags though.

 
ericttspikes said:
It's really crazy. PC is what used to be called "politeness". Basic life lesson #1; "treat others the way you wish to be treated". Simple stuff most good parent teach their kids. Why anyone is proud to be against that is beyond me.

If people want to be against being polite, go for it. Those same people really shouldn't get butthurt when they get called out for acting like crass dooshbags though.
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See this is where you're wrong.  It is being used as a weapon to intimidate people.  Both sides use this.  Looks at what is happening to Colin Kaepernick.  People are using a form of political correctness to intimidate him into silence.  

Look at at what happened to Dr Drew.  He offered his informed opinion and then he gets fired.  The free exchange of ideas has always been a cornerstone to our country, and one of the most fundamental of human rights.  

 
Rove! said:
See this is where you're wrong.  It is being used as a weapon to intimidate people.  Both sides use this.  Looks at what is happening to Colin Kaepernick.  People are using a form of political correctness to intimidate him into silence.  

Look at at what happened to Dr Drew.  He offered his informed opinion and then he gets fired.  The free exchange of ideas has always been a cornerstone to our country, and one of the most fundamental of human rights.  
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No one is intimidating him into silence. He can stand or sit but that does not mean he will not to be called out on it. Insulting the flag and by extension insulting the soldiers who have died defending the freedom and equality that the flag stands for is repulsive. There are so many different ways to show your displeasure with a policy or issue  than insulting the symbol so many Americans, black Americans , white Americans, yellow Americans, pink Americans,  have died for. We have this great nation because we are together in this, and TOGETHER we will get these problems solved. 

 
I don't see where Kap is being intimidated into silence at all. He knew precisely what kind of reaction he was going to be getting because our history is full of protests of his kind. What kind of reaction to you think Tommy Smith and John Carlos got in 1968? Ali when he refused his induction into the military? Anti-war protesters after four of them were gunned down at Kent State? (hint: they were pretty much reviled by the country's infamous Silent Majority) 

Perhaps the shoe is on the other foot these days and the people wearing it aren't very happy about the turn of events. So they want to change the rules and blame something called "PC." It ain't PC, boys, it's just good old-fashioned disagreement and you're not free to dish it out without getting a good dose of it right back at you any more.

 
Rove! said:
See this is where you're wrong.  It is being used as a weapon to intimidate people.  Both sides use this.  Looks at what is happening to Colin Kaepernick.  People are using a form of political correctness to intimidate him into silence.  

Look at at what happened to Dr Drew.  He offered his informed opinion and then he gets fired.  The free exchange of ideas has always been a cornerstone to our country, and one of the most fundamental of human rights.  
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How is this different than any other time in history when someone goes against society's conventions?  Hundreds of years ago people would be killed for it, not they get angry tweets about them.

 
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I find it hilarious that Kaepernick is being used as an example of political correctness run amok. The loudest SOBs condemning him are the same tools that profess to hate political correctness so much. Hell, your Messiah, Donald Trump, told the guy to go find another country. Curt Schilling, a guy who got fired for being a tool and subsequently whined about PC culture, has come down on him.

It almost suggests to me that these guys are total hypocrites. So it's ok to say whatever is on your mind and completely not fair to be criticized or condemned for it, UNLESS it happens to be on a topic that you are on the other side of.

 
ericttspikes said:
Why is it called "Alt Right"? It's white nationalism. Alt right is a soft and fuzzy name of a group that should frankly stay in the shadows. How this is even a thing that garners the support it does is depressing.
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Saw a clip of Milo Yanalapolous on Real Time and honestly, it almost seems this is a Borat skit.   

 
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Not really sure where to place this but I thought this could be a decent place to track the recent antisemitic attacks and discussions whether such or other hate crimes are driven by alt right - including nationalists/supremacists groups of all stripes - or even Trump policies and statements. Open question, not casting judgements. (yet).

 
Phone Threats Against Jewish Centers Made Using 'Spoofing' Technology, Expert Says

Authorities say perpetrators' use of certain technologies has made the investigation more challenging, Buzzfeed reports.

The latest bomb threats against Jewish community centers across the U.S. were reportedly carried out using "spoofing," technology that makes a call appear like it's coming from a "friendly" or known source, while in fact it is not.

Buzzfeed News cited Paul Goldenberg, a former law enforcement official who directs the Secure Community Network, a security group affiliated with the organized U.S. Jewish community, as saying that federal investigators have determined that the perpetrators were using the tactic and other "technologies that have made the investigation more challenging.”

Bomb threats against Jewish targets leaped from the East to the West Coast on Monday afternoon, bringing the number of centers threatened to 29 in the fifth such wave sweeping the United States.

The threats came in the form of prerecorded “robo-calls” in some cases and live calls in others. In both types, the callers used voice disguising technology. Experts believe the calls are coming from a single source, though the phone numbers have were made undetectable. Thus far, no actual bombs or other signs of a physical threat have been found at any of the locations.

According to Buzzfeed, the FBI and the Justice Department Civil Rights Division said that they are looking at the threats as possible civil rights violations.

Over the past 45 days there have been an estimated 190 incidents targeting Jews and Jewish institutions throughout the United States, including verbal and written threats and vandalism. Over 90 bomb threats have been called in to 73 Jewish institutions in 30 states and one Canadian province in five separate waves. Meanwhile, Jewish cemeteries were vandalized in Philadelphia and St. Louis.

Goldenberg has recently told Haaretz that the situation was “unprecedented.”

U.S. President Donald Trump began his first speech before a joint session of Congress on Tuesday night by referring to the recent wave of anti-Semitic incidents across the United States, just hours after it was reported that he hinted at a possibility that these incidents were not in fact a result of anti-Semitism.
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http://www.haaretz.com/us-news/1.774614

- I think it's arguable that the use fo specialized technology takes this into the realm of organized groups perpetrating this and not just a spate of individual threats called from random places and persons.

 
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This is a repost somewhat but I thought it worth noting...
 

Thu Feb 2, 2017


Exclusive: Trump to focus counter-extremism program solely on Islam - sources


The Trump administration wants to revamp and rename a U.S. government program designed to counter all violent ideologies so that it focuses solely on Islamist extremism, five people briefed on the matter told Reuters.

The program, "Countering Violent Extremism," or CVE, would be changed to "Countering Islamic Extremism" or "Countering Radical Islamic Extremism," the sources said, and would no longer target groups such as white supremacists who have also carried out bombings and shootings in the United States.

Such a change would reflect Trump's election campaign rhetoric and criticism of former President Barack Obama for being weak in the fight against Islamic State and for refusing to use the phrase "radical Islam" in describing it. Islamic State has claimed responsibility for attacks on civilians in several countries.

The CVE program aims to deter groups or potential lone attackers through community partnerships and educational programs or counter-messaging campaigns in cooperation with companies such as Google (GOOGL.O) and Facebook (FB.O).

Some proponents of the program fear that rebranding it could make it more difficult for the government to work with Muslims already hesitant to trust the new administration, particularly after Trump issued an executive order last Friday temporarily blocking travel to the United States from seven predominantly Muslim countries.
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http://mobile.reuters.com/article/idUSKBN15G5VO

- I have no idea if this came to fruition or if it might still in the future, but I would think that supremacist/nationalist groups could take this as something of a green light that they will not be 'harassed' as in years past.

 
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EYLive said:
I don't think it can be a serious political movement without some violent hate elements. They just can't get enough traction online to be taken seriously otherwise.
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What's the name of the anti-Trump people causing problems? They must have a name. You just described them. 

 
flapgreen said:
http://www.lifezette.com/polizette/trump-supporters-beaten-bloodied-berkeley/?utm_content=buffereb0e3&utm_medium=social&utm_source=facebook.com&utm_campaign=laura_ingraham_buffer

I'll bet NPR and CNN aren't running big stories about this.  These news organizations are so damn crooked. They're not concerned about spreading accurate news anymore.  Hate is bad, unless we disagree with you, then we have the right to attack you and do awful things. Right? 
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I'm confused, the article says NBC reported this.

As for the attackers, who were they?

 
flapgreen said:
http://www.lifezette.com/polizette/trump-supporters-beaten-bloodied-berkeley/?utm_content=buffereb0e3&utm_medium=social&utm_source=facebook.com&utm_campaign=laura_ingraham_buffer

I'll bet NPR and CNN aren't running big stories about this.  These news organizations are so damn crooked. They're not concerned about spreading accurate news anymore.  Hate is bad, unless we disagree with you, then we have the right to attack you and do awful things. Right? 
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I saw this on cnn, msnbc and HuffPo so...you're wrong. 

 
Fascism and the far right in Europe: country by country guide and analysis



Introduction


Europe is witnessing a dangerous revival of fascist and racist populist parties and organisations. Here is our country by country guide and essay analysing the scale of the threat. Our guide was originally published in three parts – we have combined them here.

We have focused on the countries where fascist and racist parties have made significant electoral and/or organisational breakthroughs. There are small fascist groups operating in several other countries, but with very small numbers and little impact. We intend to look separately at the situation in Russia at a later date and have not included it here.

We start with a country by country guide and continues with an analysis piece, including working definitions of fascism and far right racist populism, and we will look at the conditions that are enabling these parties to flourish. We hope this series will be of use to antifascists and antiracists across Europe.

We would like to encourage readers to send us comments, reports and analysis of fascist and racist parties that are active your country or region. You are welcome to post your thoughts in the comments section, or if you would rather get in touch with us offline, you can email us via our Contact page. We very much hope you will support this project.

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http://www.dreamdeferred.org.uk/2016/04/fascism-and-the-far-right-in-europe-country-by-country-guide-part-one/

- This is definitely tldr but it is a terrific summary of nationalism and the easy transition into fascistic ideology or even plain fascism, as it is occurring in Europe.

 
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@rojbk I told you I would follow up when possible about VDare.

This is a cached article, not directly from the site, which I am not linking to, but it reflects the tenor of the website: [link fixed]

Malik makes several arguments trying to prove that “white nationalists” are not American patriots. Each one falls flat on its face.
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- The article, originally from VDare, is a defense of white nationalism, and makes all the usual alleged distinctions about racialism and white supremacism that these lunatics make, from David Duke to Richard Spencer to yes Peter Brimelow.

Anyway, it is sick, racist stuff, and the only reason that anyone, including 'JBurton' whom you were posting to, would follow it is because they share white nationalist ideas.

I wasn't knocking or insulting you last night, I was trying to give you a heads up and hope you stay clear of this trash or anyone that delves in it, like JBurton.

In the meantime the site that VDare is attacking here, American Thinker, is a terrific conservative intellectual site. I don't always agree with them, but at least they are on solid philosophical, constitutionalist and democratic grounds. If VDare hates them you should love them.

I also saw you posted to The Federalist later, I thought that was great. Good website, again truly a decent conservative source. Stay away from anyone following and recirculating white nationalists or supremacists in any way IMO, and if for some reason that includes Coulter then she isn't worth it.

 
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Here's a story that was making the rounds on Stormfront and other alt-right sites as " Three black man kidnapped and gang raped an engaged 18 year old white girl yesterday. IF THE RACES WERE REVERSED, THIS WOULD BE NATIONAL NEWS. THESE MEN DESERVE TO BE HANGED ".

Fear gripped the small town of Denison, Tex., after 18-year-old Breana Harmon Talbott burst into a church on a Wednesday night, bleeding and wearing only a shirt, bra and underwear. She said that three black men in ski masks had kidnapped her.

But that was not the worst of it.

“She told witnesses at the church she had been kidnapped and sexually assaulted in the woods behind the church,” the Denison County Police Department said in a statement on Wednesday. “There were also visible cuts and/or scratches on her body.”

The March 8 incident was all over the local news, making “many in the community fearful there were individuals abducting women,” police said. 
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Turns out it was fake.

“The so-called victim in the case confessed to the hoax last evening (March 21) to a member of the investigative team working the case,” read a news release by the Denison Police Chief Jay Burch. “Talbott’s hoax was also insulting to our community and especially offensive to the African-American community due to her description of the so-called suspects in her hoax.”
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“Almost from the beginning, we had doubts in Breana Harmon Talbott’s story as the puzzle pieces just weren’t coming together,” the police chief said in a statement. “We were unable to corroborate any of Talbott’s allegations that she had been abducted or sexually assaulted.”
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It is unclear why Talbott confessed on Tuesday. She told police her wounds were self-inflicted.

“According to Talbott’s confession, we believe the crime scene — from the initial ‘kidnapping’ scene at the apartment complex to the point of Talbott’s condition when she walked into the church — were staged,” Burch’s statement said.
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rojbk said:
http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2017/03/24/report-steve-bannon-says-american-health-care-act-written-insurance-industry/

Paul Ryan took the fall with that horrible bill, and now Bannon's credibility will increase. Trump didn't lose here, he neutered Paul Ryan and cleared the way for the nationalist movement that he ran on.
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rojbk said:
American Nationalism aka civic nationalism.

@SaintsInDome2006 how come you always like posts that are about accusing someone else of racism? really weird lol. I guess you have a lot of guilt built up, and it helps you sleep better at night.
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- @rojbk

Actually I think I liked your post first because I thought you made a point that I made yesterday about Trump - that he is a Nationalist.

I can't recall how it went down but I think I actually Liked your post first, then un-liked it because your post was vague and it wasn't clear what I was 'liking' to others, or maybe I deleted it after reading Squiz's point - "Nationalist movement? What does that mean? White Nationalist?" - which I thought better so I Liked Squiz's post and unliked yours.

I'll even Like posts from people I disagree with if they've made an insightful comment and/or linked to a good or useful source. So Likes are not an endorsement here.

I did agree with Squiz's point though because it raises a good question as far as you're concerned. Are you a white nationalist?

And actually I posted at Tim yesterday making the exact same point you did - that Trump is not non-ideological like many have said but rather is a Nationalist. So I thought it was great when you - relying on BB - made that exact same point. And so I have Liked your OP again.

I'm just curious about that BB piece, why do you think killing the HC bill was a nationalist moment and how does it further nationalism? By pushing Ryan out I suppose and elevating Bannon and BB, who had been calling for defeat of the bill (a measure that GOP pols had been running for non-stop on for 8 years now)?

I do think it was a nationalist moment though, however I think it's because Trump is not conservative or liberal at all - but he is nationalist - if the people or the government or America are even harmed by this then so be it as it promotes the program, ie the movement, which is essentially revolutionary (in a Marxist or Nsdap sense) in tone.

 
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SaintsInDome2006 said:
- @rojbk

 Are you a white nationalist?
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You understand that is a very insulting question to ask someone right? Only someone mentally ill would be a white nationalist(IMO), so I take great offense to you even asking me that question. Nothing I have ever posted would suggest that I am one. It is always about wanting all Americans to do better. Doesn't matter what color they are or what gender they are.

 
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rojbk said:
You understand that is a very insulting question to ask someone right? Only someone mentally ill would be a white nationalist(IMO), so I take great offense to you even asking me that question. Nothing I have ever posted would suggest that I am one. It is always about wanting all Americans to do better. Doesn't matter what color they are or what gender they are.
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It's a neutral question, not an insult, JBurton appears to be a white nationalist and you follow that feed. I also (generally, not you) see a frequent close blurring of the lines between the ethnic pride in heritage evoked in nationalism into the ethnic identification inherent in white nationalism. I think if you're going to walk that line you should be prepared for these kinds of questions even if you are on the right side of it.

 
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rojbk said:
2 hours ago, SaintsInDome2006 said:

Are you a white nationalist?
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You understand that is a very insulting question to ask someone right? Only someone mentally ill would be a white nationalist(IMO), so I take great offense to you even asking me that question. Nothing I have ever posted would suggest that I am one. It is always about wanting all Americans to do better. Doesn't matter what color they are or what gender they are.
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But it is a fair question ask as nationalism is quite often code for white nationalism and we rarely hear people in or outside of this forum talk about nationalism without meaning white nationalism. For instance SIDA was always talking about white pride, bragging about how his white European ancestors kicked the butt of the indigenous people here, made this country a superpower, and in the same breath was talking about nationalism - not much of a leap to say he was referring to white nationalism. 

 
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SaintsInDome2006 said:
It's a neutral question, not an insult, JBurton appears to be a white nationalist and you follow that feed. I also (generally, not you) see a frequent close blurring of the lines between the ethnic pride in heritage evoked in nationalism into the ethnic identification inherent in white nationalism. I think if you're going to walk that line you should be prepared for these kinds of questions even if you are on the right side of it.
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Disagree, and for the record I don't follow him, I follow Ann Coulter who retweets him. Also, you are allowed to like a tweet without approving every thought that person ever had or has, correct?

 
rojbk said:
lol, squistion there are about a million questions that would be fair to ask you, but I wouldn't want to personally insult you.

One for example would be when was the last time you left your house?
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Meh.  Be better than this.

 
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Disagree, and for the record I don't follow him, I follow Ann Coulter who retweets him. Also, you are allowed to like a tweet without approving every thought that person ever had or has, correct?
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Of course, retweets and posts from a feed do not mean one adopts those tweets/feeds, however after a while enough posts of such content approvingly do reflect a shared ideology.

Just a comment here on the distinction of white nationalism vs nationalism, and how IMO often it is very easy for self-professed nationalists to fall into white nationalism.

- If you think that ethnic or racial demography defines America's destiny or legacy, then that's white nationalism.

- If you think America has a racial or ethnic identity which defines it then that's white nationalism. That's a restating of the line above but I am trying to nail it down.

I think the definition is that aside from America's self interest being primary above all other interests, ie nationalism ( as well as 'interest' being defined differently than conservatism or liberalism), it is that ethnic or racial component which makes it a distinct philosophy.

Racialism has to be a part of white nationalism, but I can also see how easy to slide from asking 'well you have pride in your heritage, don't you?' to arriving at 'being patriotic and loving America means loving your race'.

If you have any thoughts on the delineation in your own mind I'm open to it. You've posted enough here under various handles to make this worth discussing separately I think.

 
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