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On 4/4/2019 at 2:56 PM, Hankmoody said:

Well I will tell you what I can't move Gurley to save my life.  I'm willing to take a moderate hit on a couple of teams to stock up on other goodies but I am getting RNC all over the place.

RNC = Reject, no counter-offer? What do you consider to be a "moderate hit" in a return for Gurley?

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6 minutes ago, northern exposure said:

RNC = Reject, no counter-offer? What do you consider to be a "moderate hit" in a return for Gurley?

I've posted it a few times now, so apologize if I'm being redundant, but I sold Gurley for Kittle and Duke Johnson.  I kinda wanted to puke immediately after but I'm feeling better and better about it by the day.

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The two times I dealt Gurley this offseason was actually extremely easy. I did not create a post indicating  I was looking to move him, did not want to look desperate. On both teams I knew I wanted or needed a RB in return so I had a small handful of young, mainly next tier RB's I wanted. I scanned rosters for who had these players, looked over how Gurley made sense for them and what extra to the young RB I was going to request did they have to give me that made sense to them. I was also putting his value in the player 5-6 range, and I think that's key and this was few months ago, I was not entering these trades like I was hawking guy who in December was still in discussion with Barkely for 1.1. I ended up trading him to the only two teams I ever offered him to in a trade, one with zero negotiation and one that required a little back and forth and that back and forth was all on the side dishes of the trade. All in all both trades were quick and easy and 2 for 2 on teams I offered him to accept ratio.

In my experience in leagues people have tried to deal Gurley it's because they are trying to get like a top 4 RB. In last week I've had offers for him wanting  CMC and Kamara and that's going to be hard to pull off now. When I dealt him I made offers thinking of him in terms of 5-6 overall player. Might want to think in terms of 7-10 kind of range now.

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1 hour ago, menobrown said:

The two times I dealt Gurley this offseason was actually extremely easy. I did not create a post indicating  I was looking to move him, did not want to look desperate. On both teams I knew I wanted or needed a RB in return so I had a small handful of young, mainly next tier RB's I wanted. I scanned rosters for who had these players, looked over how Gurley made sense for them and what extra to the young RB I was going to request did they have to give me that made sense to them. I was also putting his value in the player 5-6 range, and I think that's key and this was few months ago, I was not entering these trades like I was hawking guy who in December was still in discussion with Barkely for 1.1. I ended up trading him to the only two teams I ever offered him to in a trade, one with zero negotiation and one that required a little back and forth and that back and forth was all on the side dishes of the trade. All in all both trades were quick and easy and 2 for 2 on teams I offered him to accept ratio.

In my experience in leagues people have tried to deal Gurley it's because they are trying to get like a top 4 RB. In last week I've had offers for him wanting  CMC and Kamara and that's going to be hard to pull off now. When I dealt him I made offers thinking of him in terms of 5-6 overall player. Might want to think in terms of 7-10 kind of range now.

Can you post the trades?

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1 hour ago, kutta said:

Can you post the trades?

I did in the trade thread when I made them and did not want to keep making people read my trades but since you asked. These trades were made in February I think, for sure before FA.

Gurley/Golladay for Dalvin/Mike Evans and cutting out the non-essential parts of the trade the other one was Gurley/McKinnon/2.11 for Fournette/Lindsay/Kupp and a 2020#1.

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44 minutes ago, menobrown said:

I did in the trade thread when I made them and did not want to keep making people read my trades but since you asked. These trades were made in February I think, for sure before FA.

Gurley/Golladay for Dalvin/Mike Evans and cutting out the non-essential parts of the trade the other one was Gurley/McKinnon/2.11 for Fournette/Lindsay/Kupp and a 2020#1.

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I like the them both for you.

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8 hours ago, northern exposure said:

RNC = Reject, no counter-offer? What do you consider to be a "moderate hit" in a return for Gurley?

Yes, reject no counter.  I offered him for the 1.02 and a 2020 1st.  I offered him for $FAAB (we also do RFA process with this, the amount I requested would be enough to get say Amari Cooper) plus a 2020 1st.  Those are laughable offers 5 months ago yet today it's flipped.

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13 minutes ago, Hankmoody said:

Yes, reject no counter.  I offered him for the 1.02 and a 2020 1st.  I offered him for $FAAB (we also do RFA process with this, the amount I requested would be enough to get say Amari Cooper) plus a 2020 1st.  Those are laughable offers 5 months ago yet today it's flipped.

I'm thinking you must be in a contract league to have RFA. How many years does Gurley have, out of curiosity. 

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31 minutes ago, Jello_Biafra said:

I'm thinking you must be in a contract league to have RFA. How many years does Gurley have, out of curiosity. 

We are, and this is a couple of different leagues.  One has a lead-pipe lock Franchise Tag rule, so the contract is kind of irrelevant, but the other is a 4 year contract.  These aren't the only ones I have thrown out, but they are representative of the "hit" I am willing to take.

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On 4/4/2019 at 1:56 PM, Hankmoody said:

Well I will tell you what I can't move Gurley to save my life.  I'm willing to take a moderate hit on a couple of teams to stock up on other goodies but I am getting RNC all over the place.

I’m trying to figure out if Gurley is a hold, sell now, or wait for his value to go back up and sell then. 

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Does anyone think the “2019 class stinks” narrative is a little overplayed? While there isn’t an obvious “elite” player like Barkley/Zeke/gurley it seems to me to be a better wr class than the last couple years. Kind of like the “David Johnson is old” narrative- he’s 26 going on 30. It gets repeated over and over in 2017 that the 2019 class looks weak and it just becomes normalized. Picks are devalued this year because of it, and I’m trying to capitalize. 

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5 minutes ago, Snorkelson said:

Does anyone think the “2019 class stinks” narrative is a little overplayed? While there isn’t an obvious “elite” player like Barkley/Zeke/gurley it seems to me to be a better wr class than the last couple years. Kind of like the “David Johnson is old” narrative- he’s 26 going on 30. It gets repeated over and over in 2017 that the 2019 class looks weak and it just becomes normalized. Picks are devalued this year because of it, and I’m trying to capitalize. 

It's like the 2016 draft without Elliott.  The top receivers - doctson, treadwell, Coleman - all had warts but that draft also had Michael thomas, tyreek hill, Tyler boyd, Derrick Henry, Jordan Howard, Kenyan drake. hunter henry, and some ok producers like fuller and shepherd. Everyone talked about how terrible that draft was but it produced 3 elite guys and a bunch of starters. 

The difference is that 2017 produced mixon McCaffrey fournette dalvin cook and more in the clear top 5, and 2018 produced barkley guice sony chubb dj moore at or near the top. 

Which 2019 player profile sounds best to you?   A running back who isn't very athletic and didn't play many snaps but checks all the other boxes?  A big strong fast receiver who doesn't run many routes?  A big slot receiver? A short but really athletic quarterback? 

Forget the names, forget calling people "second round prospects" or whatever, those all sound like "guys who could break out in spite of their flaws" instead of "guys who I can build around". 

If you endured a rebuild and got a bunch of early picks this year, you're hoping that some pan out. That's a little scary compared to other years. 

 

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1 hour ago, bostonfred said:

It's like the 2016 draft without Elliott.  The top receivers - doctson, treadwell, Coleman - all had warts but that draft also had Michael thomas, tyreek hill, Tyler boyd, Derrick Henry, Jordan Howard, Kenyan drake. hunter henry, and some ok producers like fuller and shepherd. Everyone talked about how terrible that draft was but it produced 3 elite guys and a bunch of starters. 

The difference is that 2017 produced mixon McCaffrey fournette dalvin cook and more in the clear top 5, and 2018 produced barkley guice sony chubb dj moore at or near the top. 

Which 2019 player profile sounds best to you?   A running back who isn't very athletic and didn't play many snaps but checks all the other boxes?  A big strong fast receiver who doesn't run many routes?  A big slot receiver? A short but really athletic quarterback? 

Forget the names, forget calling people "second round prospects" or whatever, those all sound like "guys who could break out in spite of their flaws" instead of "guys who I can build around". 

If you endured a rebuild and got a bunch of early picks this year, you're hoping that some pan out. That's a little scary compared to other years. 

 

* I have a draft starting this week, so some of my thinking is “at this point.” 40 man offseason rosters, cut to 30 before week 1. I also have some picks stockpiled, which may be swaying my opinion. 

 

I agree with your point. Its not a top heavy draft, but it’s deep imo. Look at bia’s draft pick polls, if you have a few 2nd rounders and roster space there are some intriguing players. Maybe you like JJaw or Isabella or Campbell or one of a handful of RBs out there, and if they were sniped earlier maybe it’s a deebo or fant or sanders falls. Some experts love marquis brown, still available at 2.01. 

Landing spots will change this particular years lists a lot. You’re not going to find Calvin or Julio, but you could end up with a Baldwin, golladay, and welker, and maybe a Michael turner or a Gio Bernard.

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3 hours ago, Snorkelson said:

Does anyone think the “2019 class stinks” narrative is a little overplayed? While there isn’t an obvious “elite” player like Barkley/Zeke/gurley it seems to me to be a better wr class than the last couple years. Kind of like the “David Johnson is old” narrative- he’s 26 going on 30. It gets repeated over and over in 2017 that the 2019 class looks weak and it just becomes normalized. Picks are devalued this year because of it, and I’m trying to capitalize. 

Fwiw David Johnson is 27, not 26. He will be turning 28 during this year's season. 

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1 hour ago, Snorkelson said:

I agree with your point. Its not a top heavy draft, but it’s deep imo.

It's not just that.  It's that i don't have any confidence that any of these guys will be a "sure starter". If you told me that the big slot receiver ended up being a wr2/3 type, I wouldn't be shocked.  If you told me the big fast guy who is a sucky route runner was another Kevin white, cordarrelle Patterson style bust, i wouldn't be shocked.  If you told me that the 3 down running back with a limited track record and mediocre athletic skills ended up being paul perkins, i'm still not shocked.  

That's what makes me say this class sucks. It's not the lack of a sure fire uber stud, it's the lack of anyone i feel confident about. It's all guys with warts but upside. 

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39 minutes ago, FreeBaGeL said:

Fwiw David Johnson is 27, not 26. He will be turning 28 during this year's season. 

He will turn 28 after the fantasy regular season is over. If he was 1 week younger would this be his age 28 season?  Two weeks?  What's the cut off?

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3 hours ago, bostonfred said:

It's like the 2016 draft without Elliott.  The top receivers - doctson, treadwell, Coleman - all had warts but that draft also had Michael thomas, tyreek hill, Tyler boyd, Derrick Henry, Jordan Howard, Kenyan drake. hunter henry, and some ok producers like fuller and shepherd. Everyone talked about how terrible that draft was but it produced 3 elite guys and a bunch of starters. 

 

 

It's a lot like 2016 but if I was picking a year I'd have gone with 2013, the Bell draft.

That draft gave us zero first round RB's but 5 in round two. I don't think we see 5 RB's off the board by end of round two this year but if we look at picks instead of round I think it will be close because most of those RB's went late round two with Lacy and Michel the last two picks . So it won't be a lot of different to me then what I anticipate as a lot of early to mid third round RB's this draft in a draft far superior on the defensive side which is going to contribute to pushing RB's back.  The big similarity to me on that RB draft and this one is that RB value was heavily dictated by landing spot with Bell taking a massive leap post-draft. Out of those 5 RB's that went in round two a clear cut Big 4 emerged and that's the only draft I can recall since I've been doing dynasty that the first pick in a lot of drafts was a player not chosen in round one of the NFL draft.

At WR we had a gadget buy in Tavon go at pick 8 and then not another WR until Hopkins in late 20's with Patterson bringing total of first round WR's to 3. I expect something similar this year, just not one as high as 8.

TE was super interesting that year. It was thought to be solid and that's how it was viewed when we drafting but it turns out to possibly be in a top 3 All Time TE class. That draft gave us Eifert, Ertz, Kelce and Jordan Reed but at time we were drafting, even in TE premium FFPC, Eifert was the only first round lock. I drafted Reed and Kelce both that season in round 3.

That 2013 draft was so bad that Lacy, who was two picks from a third round guy, was a lot of people's 1.1 after the draft and one of things keeping him from being closer to a consensus 1.1 was that the Packers also drafted Johnathan Franklin whose ADP was around 10. 

Another huge similarity to this year's draft vs the 2013 is that we knew it was weak looking before the NFL draft and after the NFL draft most people had 9-10 players they felt were worth a first round pick. I had 8.  The Big 4 RB's I mentioned, Eifert, and the first round WR's (Tavon, Hop, Cordarelle).  I recall having a few picks in the 10-11 range this year and in those leagues those top 8 were gone so similar to this year it was a bunch of teams trying to move out of late 1's for 2014 #1's which looked like a much stronger draft. Some here always say "the next draft always looks better" and that 2014 draft was the All-Time WR draft so it was better.  I recall doing a trade where I gave up pick 10 PLUS a few third round picks for a 2014#1. 

Now here is the good news. That draft was not considered strong but it gave us Bell, Hopkins, Keenan Allen and the TE's and maybe I'm probably forgetting someone. What is also encouraging is that I did a FFPC startup the next year and Bell, Gio, Ball, Lacy and Cordarelle all were gone by round end of round two so a weak draft provided us 5 players who were first two round startups the next season and none of them were Kelce(who missed the season), Ertz, Eifert, Allen or Hopkins.

Very long winded message by me  but trying to make two points. This draft , at least in round one, looks very similar to me to the super weak looking 2013 draft. But like the 2013 draft there will be diamonds to be found here, just harder then most years IMO identifying it.

 

 

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wondering what kind of value you guys put on this year's 1.1 rookie pick. Let's for arguments sake say you had all picks from 1.6 - 1.12, what combo of picks would you be willing to trade to move up to 1.1??

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25 minutes ago, Aunt Jemima said:

wondering what kind of value you guys put on this year's 1.1 rookie pick. Let's for arguments sake say you had all picks from 1.6 - 1.12, what combo of picks would you be willing to trade to move up to 1.1??

according to DTC. 1.6 and 1.12 are equal value to 1.1

I certainly would not trade 1.1 for that. And I probably wouldnt entertain any trade if 1.6 was the highest I could get. 1.4 and 1.10 would probably be my price, and it's too much 

ETA: You're question was would I pay this to move up, absolutely. 1.6 and 1.12, 1.7 and 1.11 or, 1.8 and 1.10.

I'd honestly try to pay less and move up to 1.2 or 1.3 myself 

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11 minutes ago, Dr. Dan said:

according to DTC. 1.6 and 1.12 are equal value to 1.1

I certainly would not trade 1.1 for that. And I probably wouldnt entertain any trade if 1.6 was the highest I could get. 1.4 and 1.10 would probably be my price, and it's too much 

ETA: You're question was would I pay this to move up, absolutely. 1.6 and 1.12, 1.7 and 1.11 or, 1.8 and 1.10.

I'd honestly try to pay less and move up to 1.2 or 1.3 myself 

I have the 1.1 in an upcoming draft and the post made me look at my league. The only other team with more than 1 pick in the first round has the 1.6 and 1.9 picks, and I didn't think that was enough to even offer the 1.1 for those 2 picks, personally. We'll see if, after the NFL draft, I hate the land spots for all of the "top" consensus rookies, maybe 1.6 + 1.9 would be something I'd consider.

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I traded the 1.01 for the 1.05, 2.02 and 2020 2nd (probably late) recently in a FFPC league.    It feels light and I may regret it but I don't think I could have gotten better than that.

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24 minutes ago, joey said:

I have the 1.1 in an upcoming draft and the post made me look at my league. The only other team with more than 1 pick in the first round has the 1.6 and 1.9 picks, and I didn't think that was enough to even offer the 1.1 for those 2 picks, personally. We'll see if, after the NFL draft, I hate the land spots for all of the "top" consensus rookies, maybe 1.6 + 1.9 would be something I'd consider.

I have 1.3, 1.7, 1.9, 2.2 currently in one 12 manleague and 1.1, 1.9, 1.10, 2.1 in another 14 teamer

I see 1.6-1.9 to be kind of an undesirable slot. You also have WRs like Harmon and M Brown... both I have zero interest in. Too early to draft the guys I do like, but may as well. You could land a nice rb at 1.6, although I am toying with the idea of bailing on RBs until round 2. maybe a wr or te at 1.9. Maybe Isabella.

could be worth it but probably not enough for me. I'm only interested in a select group of wrs this draft, and most of them at this point are likely to go in the top 4-5, or picks 11-14. 

24 minutes ago, Marauder said:

I traded the 1.01 for the 1.05, 2.02 and 2020 2nd (probably late) recently in a FFPC league.    It feels light and I may regret it but I don't think I could have gotten better than that.

Depends what goes above you. If someone bites on Butler you'll have a good wr waiting for you, probably the guy I'm planning on taking 1.1. That's how I'm looking at this: who would I personally take 1.1 and how far could he fall... he could fall to 1.5, although I doubt it. Although my back plan may slip that far...

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Curious to others thoughts between Kupp and Golladay. Been going back and forth in one of my PPR leagues and I’m arguing Kupp has been far more productive when on the field, and I’d say his QB and offense is trending up where Stafford is going the other direction. Am I wrong here or do others feel the same way? 

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4 minutes ago, ffmail4me said:

Curious to others thoughts between Kupp and Golladay. Been going back and forth in one of my PPR leagues and I’m arguing Kupp has been far more productive when on the field, and I’d say his QB and offense is trending up where Stafford is going the other direction. Am I wrong here or do others feel the same way? 

I’d take Golladay. Just think he has #1 WR traits.

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3 minutes ago, ffmail4me said:

Curious to others thoughts between Kupp and Golladay. Been going back and forth in one of my PPR leagues and I’m arguing Kupp has been far more productive when on the field, and I’d say his QB and offense is trending up where Stafford is going the other direction. Am I wrong here or do others feel the same way? 

Kupp has some nice production to date. He’s the safer guy imo. Will the offense be impacted if gurley is limited? Probably not. Golladay gets targets and seems like the #1 there and I think could beast if stafford wasn’t throwing from his back, but they need to address their pass pro.

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Speaking of the 2013 draft I remember having the 1.01 pick and trading it away for Cruz and half the league wanted to quit the league because I "ripped off" the other guy so bad.

Also I offered a guy the pick 1.06 in that draft for Kaepernick.  He laughed at me said "this draft sucks I wouldn't give you Kaepernick for 5 1st round picks in this draft even if they were 1,2,3,4,5.  True story.  I picked Hopkins at 1.06.

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2 hours ago, ffmail4me said:

Curious to others thoughts between Kupp and Golladay. Been going back and forth in one of my PPR leagues and I’m arguing Kupp has been far more productive when on the field, and I’d say his QB and offense is trending up where Stafford is going the other direction. Am I wrong here or do others feel the same way? 

I take Golladay rather easily if we're considering straight up value to value.  Kupp has the production for sure, and now he also has the injury history now.  Golladay is probably a hair riskier but there's a good enough floor for me to take that gamble.  That whole Lions offense should take a step forwards, while I believe the Rams will take a step backwards now that teams saw the Patriots figure them out a little.  

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2 hours ago, ffmail4me said:

Curious to others thoughts between Kupp and Golladay. Been going back and forth in one of my PPR leagues and I’m arguing Kupp has been far more productive when on the field, and I’d say his QB and offense is trending up where Stafford is going the other direction. Am I wrong here or do others feel the same way? 

They are both sells for me at their current value.  If forced to pick one and keep him I'd take Golladay by a nose, but I think he's pretty much hit his ceiling on that Lions team.  Kupp is a guy everyone seems to be enamored with in my leagues so I would suspect he can be moved fairly easily.  I'd probably look for a lower tier player I like plus a 1st in return.  

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I like both Golloday and Kupp very much, for many of the same reasons as posted above. Last year mid-season I gave up this years 1st (ends up 1.10 of 12) for Golloday. Currently trying to move my 2019 2nd (2.10/22) and my 2020 2nd for Kupp. I've got the owner on the hook, it just requires a little more patience.

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5 minutes ago, Ruffrodys05 said:

I like both Golloday and Kupp very much, for many of the same reasons as posted above. Last year mid-season I gave up this years 1st (ends up 1.10 of 12) for Golloday. Currently trying to move my 2019 2nd (2.10/22) and my 2020 2nd for Kupp. I've got the owner on the hook, it just requires a little more patience.

2 2nds for Kupp is horrendous value for the owner trading him away.  Just awful.

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Have received a lot of feelers but the best actual offer I have gotten for Kupp this off-season is the 1.11 straight up. For that I’ll keep him and see if his torrid pace before injury was a fluke or not which many seem to think it was.

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31 minutes ago, skinfanjon said:

2 2nds for Kupp is horrendous value for the owner trading him away.  Just awful.

I agree.

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13 hours ago, ffmail4me said:

Curious to others thoughts between Kupp and Golladay. Been going back and forth in one of my PPR leagues and I’m arguing Kupp has been far more productive when on the field, and I’d say his QB and offense is trending up where Stafford is going the other direction. Am I wrong here or do others feel the same way? 

Kupp easily for me. His total PPG in his healthy games is solid but in particular I'm a huge fan of consistency.  Only had 6 fully healthy games last year but hit at least 12 fantasy points in all 6.  Granted 6 is not a huge sample size he really started to become a different player around mid point of his rookie season and if you include his last 16 fully healthy games he has hit double digits in 14 of the 16 games.  86/1200/10 TD's over his last 16 games. Consistent with upside and a budding bromance with his QB. I like Golladay, just not as much as Kupp.

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I own Kupp and would not trade him straight up for Golliday. 

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17 hours ago, Dez said:

Speaking of the 2013 draft I remember having the 1.01 pick and trading it away for Cruz and half the league wanted to quit the league because I "ripped off" the other guy so bad. 

Also I offered a guy the pick 1.06 in that draft for Kaepernick.  He laughed at me said "this draft sucks I wouldn't give you Kaepernick for 5 1st round picks in this draft even if they were 1,2,3,4,5.  True story.  I picked Hopkins at 1.06.

i also remember this one time i made a trade and when i made it it looked really good but then it turned out bad and i was sad.

but then this other time I made a trade and the guys were like oh man that was bad and i was like wut why and they hated and i was sad it but then later it turned out i got the better end of the deal and i wasn't sad

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18 hours ago, Marauder said:

I traded the 1.01 for the 1.05, 2.02 and 2020 2nd (probably late) recently in a FFPC league.    It feels light and I may regret it but I don't think I could have gotten better than that.

I actually love the 1.05 spot this year if you were able to trade down. I have the 1.02 and am looking to do so but will wait till after the draft just to be sure. I’m sorely tempted to take AJ Brown at the 1.02 and I figure there’s a very very high Chance he would be there at 1.05 ...

Metcalf  - will most likely go 

Harry - likewise 

Butler - getting massive props from a lot of quarters, figures someone inside the top 4 will want that potential upside 

RB with the best landing spot - would be difficult to imagine no RBs going in the top 4 

 

= AJ Brown at 1.05 

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22 hours ago, ffmail4me said:

Curious to others thoughts between Kupp and Golladay. Been going back and forth in one of my PPR leagues and I’m arguing Kupp has been far more productive when on the field, and I’d say his QB and offense is trending up where Stafford is going the other direction. Am I wrong here or do others feel the same way? 

I own Kupp and wouldn't trade him for golladay. As someone else said before, he's extremely consistent. Considering the questions surrounding this draft class I don't know if I'd give up Kupp for 1.1.

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9 hours ago, kutta said:

I own Kupp and would not trade him straight up for Golliday. 

I own Golloday, I would not trade him straight up for Kupp.  

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6 hours ago, TartanLion said:

I actually love the 1.05 spot this year if you were able to trade down. I have the 1.02 and am looking to do so but will wait till after the draft just to be sure. I’m sorely tempted to take AJ Brown at the 1.02 and I figure there’s a very very high Chance he would be there at 1.05 ...

Metcalf  - will most likely go 

Harry - likewise 

Butler - getting massive props from a lot of quarters, figures someone inside the top 4 will want that potential upside 

RB with the best landing spot - would be difficult to imagine no RBs going in the top 4 

 

= AJ Brown at 1.05 

Not if I have anything to say about it, AJ Brown will be going 1.01.  If you risk waiting for him there, someone else will snipe him guaranteed.

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7 hours ago, TartanLion said:

I actually love the 1.05 spot this year if you were able to trade down. I have the 1.02 and am looking to do so but will wait till after the draft just to be sure. I’m sorely tempted to take AJ Brown at the 1.02 and I figure there’s a very very high Chance he would be there at 1.05 ...

Metcalf  - will most likely go 

Harry - likewise 

Butler - getting massive props from a lot of quarters, figures someone inside the top 4 will want that potential upside 

RB with the best landing spot - would be difficult to imagine no RBs going in the top 4 

 

= AJ Brown at 1.05 

I also don’t think brown makes it to 1.05, but one can hope. Butler going inside the top 5, at this point, would be a surprise to me. I have a draft starting Thursday- let’s get the season going!!!!

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9 hours ago, TartanLion said:

I actually love the 1.05 spot this year if you were able to trade down. I have the 1.02 and am looking to do so but will wait till after the draft just to be sure. I’m sorely tempted to take AJ Brown at the 1.02 and I figure there’s a very very high Chance he would be there at 1.05 ...

Metcalf  - will most likely go 

Harry - likewise 

Butler - getting massive props from a lot of quarters, figures someone inside the top 4 will want that potential upside 

RB with the best landing spot - would be difficult to imagine no RBs going in the top 4 

 

= AJ Brown at 1.05 

Too early to say. I’ve found it’s almost always better to move up before the draft. Some players go to terrible spots and some win the lottery.

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How do people view the value of Breida vs Jaylen Samuels in a 12 team PPR dynasty league? Looks like Samuels is going a little earlier in ADP right now.

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18 hours ago, Hankmoody said:

i also remember this one time i made a trade and when i made it it looked really good but then it turned out bad and i was sad.

but then this other time I made a trade and the guys were like oh man that was bad and i was like wut why and they hated and i was sad it but then later it turned out i got the better end of the deal and i wasn't sad

His schtick got old a while ago but he just keeps at it.

 

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18 hours ago, Hankmoody said:

i also remember this one time i made a trade and when i made it it looked really good but then it turned out bad and i was sad.

but then this other time I made a trade and the guys were like oh man that was bad and i was like wut why and they hated and i was sad it but then later it turned out i got the better end of the deal and i wasn't sad

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22 minutes ago, hispeedthinmint said:

I was offered this year's 1.08 rookie pick for Fournette & turned it down. I feel Fournette is worth more. Anyone disagree?

You made the right choice.

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20 hours ago, wgoldsph said:

I own Kupp and wouldn't trade him for golladay. As someone else said before, he's extremely consistent. Considering the questions surrounding this draft class I don't know if I'd give up Kupp for 1.1.

Well this is probably the highest anyone is on Kupp. I have Golladay a decent amount ahead of Kupp. I think he's got much more room to grow, and more natural talent. I also worry the Rams offense can really only come down, where as Detroit can get better(or worse I guess) 

I have 5 WR's in this draft class I'd take over Kupp, assuming none of them end up in Baltimore, or other awful situations. 

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50 minutes ago, hispeedthinmint said:

I was offered this year's 1.08 rookie pick for Fournette & turned it down. I feel Fournette is worth more. Anyone disagree?

Way  more

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49 minutes ago, hispeedthinmint said:

I was offered this year's 1.08 rookie pick for Fournette & turned it down. I feel Fournette is worth more. Anyone disagree?

I think he's worth 1.1 if you need a RB,  top 3 even if you don't.

I got a league where I acquired him a few weeks ago for 1.10 and Tevin Coleman. The team I traded with has McKinnon so I hoped they would see value in the 49'er pairing and seems like they did since they accepted my offer and have turned down previous offers that I thought were a little stronger. I also have 1.3 in that league and RB is not a major need but had they countered asking for 1.3 instead of 10/Coleman I'd have accepted.

 

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29 minutes ago, travdogg said:

Well this is probably the highest anyone is on Kupp. I have Golladay a decent amount ahead of Kupp. I think he's got much more room to grow, and more natural talent. I also worry the Rams offense can really only come down, where as Detroit can get better(or worse I guess) 

I have 5 WR's in this draft class I'd take over Kupp, assuming none of them end up in Baltimore, or other awful situations. 

35	15	3.11	Green, A.J. (CIN, WR, Age: 30)	35.33	Feb: 39.50, Mar: 37.67, Apr: 35.33
36	16	3.12	Golladay, Kenny (DET, WR, Age: 25)	36.83	Feb: 38.50, Mar: 32.67, Apr: 36.83
37	17	4.1	Hilton, T.Y. (IND, WR, Age: 29)	37.50	Feb: 38.50, Mar: 37.33, Apr: 37.50
38	18	4.2	Moore, D.J. (CAR, WR, Age: 21)	39.00	Feb: 43.33, Mar: 41.17, Apr: 39.00
39	19	4.3	Davis, Corey (TEN, WR, Age: 24)	39.67	Feb: 38.50, Mar: 39.17, Apr: 39.67
40	20	4.4	Woods, Robert (LAR, WR, Age: 26)	42.50	Feb: 38.00, Mar: 45.50, Apr: 42.50
41	21	4.5	Kupp, Cooper (LAR, WR, Age: 25)	42.67	Feb: 47.00, Mar: 41.83, Apr: 42.67

Mizelle shows all these WRs in basically the same tier.  Personally, I would move Green slightly up and Davis slightly down, but the dynasty world* seems to have Golladay and Kupp pretty close together.

 

*the world of mock drafters

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