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The Trump Years- Every day something more shocking than the last! (14 Viewers)
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This is nothing short of incredible. Fox News talking about the President:
https://twitter.com/nyinla2121/status/1118363073801261058
https://twitter.com/nyinla2121/status/1118363073801261058
The Commish
Footballguy
HFS
It's times like this I wish I watched our "news" outlets....that is simply incredible.
squistion
Footballguy
Fun fact!
Chuck Todd @chucktodd 2h2 hours ago
Remarkable stat from @peterbakernyt:
Trump is only POTUS in Gallup polling history to “never to earn the support of a majority of Americans even for a single day of his term.”
https://twitter.com/chucktodd/status/1118488794825666560
Chuck Todd @chucktodd 2h2 hours ago
Remarkable stat from @peterbakernyt:
Trump is only POTUS in Gallup polling history to “never to earn the support of a majority of Americans even for a single day of his term.”
https://twitter.com/chucktodd/status/1118488794825666560
Sheriff Bart
Footballguy
If they were going to Photoshop Trump in front of a microphone you would think they would make it less Hitlery. Unless that's the point of course.
Joe Summer
Footballguy
Hmmm. Looks like there's no minimum donation required to get one of those sweet free shirts.
I just donated $0.01 and requested a shirt with "LIAR" on the back. I look forward to wearing this shirt at the next rally.
I just donated $0.01 and requested a shirt with "LIAR" on the back. I look forward to wearing this shirt at the next rally.
Sheriff Bart
Footballguy
"ADULTERER". would believe good too.Who am I kidding, there's about 50 funny things that are true to put on there.
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[scooter]
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I would go with:
Who am I kidding, there's about 50 funny things that are true to put on there.
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mr fancypants
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Amused to Death
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Huh.
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Sheriff Bart
Footballguy
Republicans that hitch their wagon to Trump remind me of the racist that looks all over before dropping an N bomb because they are most certainly racist but they aren't so sure they want anyone to know and certainly realize it's wrong to be that way.
Sheriff Bart
Footballguy
Laura Ingraham's father was a a nazi sympathizer. Shocking.
I can't remember if I posted it here but when I was at the AZ Dem reorganization (when state parties elect officials, etc.) the crowd erupted when we learned the AZ GOP elected Kelli Ward as chair. This is why.
Here’s some comfirmation, but even more surprising from that story: she’s apparently fluent in jive.
Sheriff Bart
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yak651
Footballguy
Sheriff Bart
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msommer
Footballguy
Ned
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SaintsInDome2006
Footballguy
He’s weird.
I forget her name but his former manager at Trump Org was interviewed last night and she commented just how different he is now from the man she knew.
Ruffrodys05
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Listening to Mike Lee on CBS This Morning. Amazing. The Mueller report is “unflattering”. But the process worked as designed, Trump was surrounded by good people who pushed back against his “bad ideas”. All presidents have “bad ideas” and are talked out of them by their advisors. All presidents engage in bad behavior. Just remember the “tea party” where we rebelled against the very same system that existed pre-Trump. (This last statement was in support of Trump’s policies reducing the size of government).
He quotes a Rasmussen poll showing minimal changes in Trump’s approval rating post Mueller report. When the host pushed back by referencing a Politico poll showing a significant drop in approval following the report, Lee mumbles something like (paraphrasing) “Well, yeah, short term, that’s to be expected. The American people don’t really care”.
Minimizing and excuses.
He quotes a Rasmussen poll showing minimal changes in Trump’s approval rating post Mueller report. When the host pushed back by referencing a Politico poll showing a significant drop in approval following the report, Lee mumbles something like (paraphrasing) “Well, yeah, short term, that’s to be expected. The American people don’t really care”.
Minimizing and excuses.
timschochet
Footballguy
The politico poll shows a huge drop. It also shows that most Americans don’t want impeachment.
The message is: most Americans know what they have in Trump and they don’t like it. Give them the opportunity to vote him out.
The message is: most Americans know what they have in Trump and they don’t like it. Give them the opportunity to vote him out.
msommer
Footballguy
Reuters/Ipsos poll yday (the first with only polling after report was published) showed a drop from 40 to 37% approval. It also shwed virtual dead heat between for and against impeachment (40 resp 42%). 42% is not a majority (nor is 40)
timschochet
Footballguy
sho nuff
Footballguy
Well the bolded seems pretty odd...first the tea party rebelling against what? And Trump has reduced the size of government?
Big government, government intrusion,
. I guess the “reducing the size of government” means not staffing, defunding? Effectively hamstringing? Dunno.
sho nuff
Footballguy
Yeah...not sure how anyone can try to honestly claim he reduced the size of government given the deficit.Big government, government intrusion,
Exactly. A vote to impeach, simply to be laughed at by the senate, would just be something Trump and his base can claim as a victory. Mueller could have discovered dismembered bodies in Trump's freezer and the Republican senate isn't going to vote for removal from office. In four years of virtually zero victories, why hand him one? We have this cool thing called an election. "Impeach" him there.
msommer
Footballguy
Deregulation? Like making asbestos great again? #magaBig government, government intrusion,
msommer
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timschochet
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Ruffrodys05
IBL Representative
msommer
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msommer
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Skoo
Footballguy
Yeah. we should definitely allow the President to break the law as much as he wants as long as his party holds the Senate.
Sounds like a good precedent to set.
timschochet
Footballguy
He can compare me to anyone he wants. Getting him out of office in 2020 should be everyone's goal. Not some lame going-through-the-motions dog and pony impeachment that has zero percent chance of accomplishing his removal. Bill Clinton got a huge popularity bump after his failed impeachment hearings and left office with a 60% approval. Trump is at 37%. No need to help him.
And how does impeaching him punish him for breaking the law? When there is exactly a zero point zero chance of him being removed from office?
SaintsInDome2006
Footballguy
Tim, I think you've always taken the investigation from the POV of it as a political matter, which is that the point is to drag down Trump and push him from office. It just so happens that is the Trumpite view as well. - If you take that approach then IMO it creates its own end result, such things are never justified. But if you act from principle then you do what is necessary and appropriate under the constitution.
I'll give you the flipside - say the poll said that 60% favored beginning impeachment. I personally would not consider that sufficient grounds for starting impeachment. People might be banging drums outside Congress demanding it and it still would not be sufficient. What matters is Congress defending its constitutional prerogatives and ensuring that the presidency is kept within the bounds that the founders intended.
And strictly politically speaking, 34/48 isn't that strong. Here are the crosstabs to that poll.
- Among liberals it is 60% in favor. With mods it's 37/44/19. It's conservatives at 10/80/10 who are dragging that number down.
- Among those who approve of Trump's job performance the number is 3% yes (!), 88% no, 8% unsure.
- Among those who disapprove of Trump the number is 57/23/20.
I think Congress is there to do its job and follow their oaths, not cater to that 3%.
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msommer
Footballguy
I think this is a good discussion to take.
Clinton was seemingly not hurt by his impeachment coming in his second term (and was not removed by the democrat controlled senate). He did spend a lot of energy and time on it though and IIRC didn't accomplish much even after. Gore didn't seem to benefit, though
The sample size is too small to determine if Clinton's ordeal has made "lying under oath about BJs in the Oval Office" less likely to occur.
Is Trump's situation really the same? He's in his first term, so re-election is going to be on the menu. His impeachment would seem to be for a weightier matter than extra marital sex acts (that potentially are/were considered legal vis a vis consenting adults etc). OTOH Bill Clinton's character has since taken a bit of a hit with the change in attitude if not legal precedent on his behaviour - this may be a tangent. Would the damage done to Trump during/resulting from the hearings in Congress be mitigated by the "vindication" of not being removed by a pliant Senate? Would four more years of Trump (if that was the result) be worth it to potentially prevent future Presidents with both House and Senate on opposition hands from obstructing justice?
timschochet
Footballguy
While this is the truth, it’s not the whole truth. I don’t come to this POV in a vacuum.
There are 3 modern scandals before this one which people at the time believed rose to the level of impeachment: Watergate, Iran-Contra, and Lewinskygate. In each of those the President’s political party was generally opposed but at least some were open to the idea of following the investigation wherever it went. Not in this case. From the beginning, Republicans in Congress have expressed their utter contempt and total opposition to any investigation. They have actively aided Trump in his obstruction. They have made it impossible for the congress to fulfill its constitutional duties.
In other words, it is Republicans who have turned this into a wholly political matter. I simply accept things as they are.
IvanKaramazov
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Every Democrat who comes out against impeachment is handing Trump (and senate Republicans) a gratuitous victory.
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