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1 hour ago, Hankmoody said:

Yep little to risk and a lot to gain.  If they change their mind or catch too much hell they can just release him whenever they want.  Once he's suspended they won't have to pay him either.  There's no future guaranteed money. 

But the payoff could be significant.  A young quality RB on a rookie deal for free is a huge pop.  If the 2017 draft had a do-over last week he's likely a top 5 pick.  To get that off waivers is priceless.

top 5?  No way.  mccaffery and kamara would still be drafted in front of him just at the running back position, and a whole bunch of other guys would too.  He was a good running back in a great situation.  He would move up but let’s not go overboard.  

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When I look at the spectrum of predictions here I'm reminded of a tweet I saw recently. I don't remember who it was but it was essentially a reminder that the NFL is not some coherent "top down" organization. It's really not much more than 32 loosely connected "city states", each with their own operating handbook. As a result they are in this limbo of business and ethics. How long after the funeral do you wait to read the will? Do you open grandma's presents or send them back? When can Hunt play again? The answer is blowin' in the wind...

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31 minutes ago, Enderdog said:

I think he gets claimed by someone today, does his time and comes back late next year.

What I'm thinking as well.  Is he still being view as a top 25 dynasty RB with this, or what?

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He will get claimed. The team claiming him will say "we're very concerned about the incident and will have a deep conversation with Hunt about our expectations for his behavior and what punishment is appropriate." Or some BS like that. Code for "he's a good cheap player and as long as no other video shows up we're good."

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On 12/1/2018 at 6:25 AM, Rhythmdoctor said:

Kudos for cuttya guy 10 months after the incident only because the video surfaced? Nah. He should’ve cut him in February. Cutting him now seems like it’s more about public perception than doing it for the right reasons. 

Kareem lied about the original incident, and Clark Hunt trusted him. He was cut after the video emerged, and Clark Hunt realized Kareem had lied to him.

 

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2 hours ago, Enderdog said:

I think he gets claimed by someone today, does his time and comes back late next year.

Rumor this afternoon was Clev asked about him, but went thru proper NFL HQ channels unlike Wash re: Foster claim. 

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53 minutes ago, Birdie048 said:

Rumor this afternoon was Clev asked about him, but went thru proper NFL HQ channels unlike Wash re: Foster claim. 

Lol....hey rodger should we claim him???  No

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1 hour ago, CalBear said:

He will get claimed. The team claiming him will say "we're very concerned about the incident and will have a deep conversation with Hunt about our expectations for his behavior and what punishment is appropriate." Or some BS like that. Code for "he's a good cheap player and as long as no other video shows up we're good."

The timing of the second investigation report smells of the League Office doing their best to keep the player off a roster for the time being.  Not that they would ever do anything like that. 😶

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1 hour ago, CalBear said:

He will get claimed. The team claiming him will say "we're very concerned about the incident and will have a deep conversation with Hunt about our expectations for his behavior and what punishment is appropriate." Or some BS like that. Code for "he's a good cheap player and as long as no other video shows up we're good."

I don't think he'll be claimed until next year at the earliest.

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Ex-Chiefs RB Kareem Hunt passed through waivers unclaimed.

He is now technically free to sign with any team but will remain on the NFL's commissioner exempt list indefinitely, making Hunt ineligible to play until Roger Goodell clears him to come off of it. And that won't happen this year. It speaks to the Washington Redskins' lack of integrity that they claimed ex-49ers LB Reuben Foster off waivers after his latest domestic violence accusation, but not a single NFL team claimed Hunt. It also speaks to the power of video evidence; Hunt was caught on tape beating up a woman, while Foster never was.

 

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its funny how this stuff leaks now that the league wants him to go away. Wonder who's leaking it.

Also, how can he be on the exempt list when hes not even on a team?  Does that mean he can just name anyone, including me to this list?

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Just now, KellysHeroes said:

its funny how this stuff leaks now that the league wants him to go away. Wonder who's leaking it.

Also, how can he be on the exempt list when hes not even on a team?  Does that mean he can just name anyone, including me to this list?

Nice point.  I better watch my back now as being part of that list could really hurt my social work career.

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http://www.rotoworld.com/player/nfl/12295/kareem-hunt

Bears leave door open to pursue Kareem Hunt

ESPN's Jeff Dickerson reports Bears GM Ryan Pace was "noncommittal" on the idea of pursuing free agent RB Kareem Hunt this offseason.

The Bears will be a rumored destination because of coach Matt Nagy's Chiefs connection. Pace did not exactly deny it at Monday's season-ending presser, while Nagy said he has spoken to Hunt by phone this month. "It’s an unfortunate situation (and) learning lesson for everybody," Nagy said. Currently being investigated for three separate off-the-field incidents, Hunt probably isn't going to generate any interest until the length of his suspension is known.

Jan 14 - 2:10 PM

Source: Jeff Dickerson on Twitter

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interesting. IMO KC made Hunt who he was. It wont be as good of a signing as Bears fans (or wherever he goes) will think. Hes certainly better than Howard. 

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When I first heard of the incident I expected to see something similiar to the Ray Rice situation.  Then after seeing the video, are you kidding me?

Sure sure sure, a man should never get violent with women, but what we saw there ......not much.  Certainly nothing to cost the guy his career.

Didn't Tyreek Hill punch a pregnant girlfriend, now nobody cares,

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6 hours ago, ZenoRazon said:

When I first heard of the incident I expected to see something similiar to the Ray Rice situation.  Then after seeing the video, are you kidding me?

Sure sure sure, a man should never get violent with women, but what we saw there ......not much.  Certainly nothing to cost the guy his career.

Didn't Tyreek Hill punch a pregnant girlfriend, now nobody cares,

2 questions:

1-What would have been an appropriate consequence/outcome?  

2-What amount of violence against a women is enough to cost a guy his career?

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14 hours ago, Dr. Dan said:

interesting. IMO KC made Hunt who he was. It wont be as good of a signing as Bears fans (or wherever he goes) will think. Hes certainly better than Howard. 

Well if you believe the bolded (I think Reid's system helps of course but also think he's a talent), the Bears would be a great landing spot since Nagy is a Reid disciple.

 

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1 hour ago, Bayhawks said:

2 questions:

1-What would have been an appropriate consequence/outcome?  

2-What amount of violence against a women is enough to cost a guy his career?

With everyone so damn uptight today it pretty much had to go like it did

Then there's common sense, which is .....next time ya might not get in a guys face girl.

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we have rehashed this a million times when it happened. This is the Kareem Hunt thread and while this was news a few months ago, can we now focus on upcoming prospects, news on suspension, teams interested in signing him, etc. 

 

"Don't read it" doesn't make sense in this thread. If it were a thread titled "Discuss the Kareem Hunt Suspension" then, sure, I'd avoid. But as a Hunt owner, I'm not going to avoid this thread. So I politely request that we cut it with rehashing that old news, please.

thanks

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2 hours ago, Dr. Octopus said:

Well if you believe the bolded (I think Reid's system helps of course but also think he's a talent), the Bears would be a great landing spot since Nagy is a Reid disciple.

 

yes. true. but they dont have the same OL, QB, or WR/TE threats. 

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1 minute ago, Dr. Dan said:

yes. true. but they dont have the same OL, QB, or WR/TE threats. 

Well, he had Alex Smith as his QB during his rookie season where he gained nearly 2,000 total yards and scored 9 TDs - and the Bears o-line is very good.

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As a Bears fan, I'd be ok with a Hunt signing, obviously with a zero tolerance policy if he continues to make news off the field. I'm a very big believer in 2nd chances, and I think with some hoops to jump through(anger management, psych evals, etc.) he'd be worth a look.

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3 minutes ago, squistion said:

Adam Schefter @AdamSchefter 1h1 hour ago

Multiple teams interested in former Chiefs’ RB Kareem Hunt, who now is expected to have a job “sooner rather later”, per source.

http://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/25805106/multiple-teams-interested-former-kansas-city-chiefs-rb-kareem-hunt

My trade for Hunt is looking better 

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3 minutes ago, JohnnyU said:

My trade for Hunt is looking better 

Depends how long he's suspended for. Did we ever get any updates on the 2nd incident since the initial snowball effect happened? 

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17 minutes ago, DJackson10 said:

Depends how long he's suspended for. Did we ever get any updates on the 2nd incident since the initial snowball effect happened? 

Sounds like he’s doing very well in anger management and the league is pleased and several teams are interested.  I suspect he will be reinstated sometime in 2019.

My guess is the way things are going he’s looking at a 6 game suspension. 

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On 1/14/2019 at 6:38 PM, Dr. Dan said:

interesting. IMO KC made Hunt who he was. It wont be as good of a signing as Bears fans (or wherever he goes) will think. Hes certainly better than Howard. 

This.  KC was an amazing situation for him. 

He looked really, really good there. Now Damien Williams looks really really good there.... 

I'd take a chance on him, but expect a big downgrade.  Especially if he goes to Chicago where where passing down work has been claimed. 

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10 minutes ago, kittenmittens said:

This.  KC was an amazing situation for him. 

He looked really, really good there. Now Damien Williams looks really really good there.... 

I'd take a chance on him, but expect a big downgrade.  Especially if he goes to Chicago where where passing down work has been claimed. 

Just goes to show how important destination is for anyone. It's more opportunity than it is talent in the NFL it seems. Would Kareem Hunt be one of the best 5 young backs in the league if he weren't in KC? We might soon find out.

Quite a few people dogging on some of the rookies in this draft. If any of them went to KC they would immediately be the 1.1 pick in rookie drafts. If that same player went to the Dolphins I'd be much less interested.

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22 minutes ago, Dr. Dan said:

Just goes to show how important destination is for anyone. It's more opportunity than it is talent in the NFL it seems. Would Kareem Hunt be one of the best 5 young backs in the league if he weren't in KC? We might soon find out.

Quite a few people dogging on some of the rookies in this draft. If any of them went to KC they would immediately be the 1.1 pick in rookie drafts. If that same player went to the Dolphins I'd be much less interested.

That's what I was saying when we were talking about Jacobs. 

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26 minutes ago, Dr. Dan said:

Just goes to show how important destination is for anyone. It's more opportunity than it is talent in the NFL it seems. Would Kareem Hunt be one of the best 5 young backs in the league if he weren't in KC? We might soon find out.

 

I never had him as a top 5 young RB but more or less hovering in the 10'ish range.

I do think situation matters. You mention Miami but not sure what their offense will look like under a new regime yet but a place like Buffalo would be cause for a downgrade. But if he ended up on the Bears, I'd value him just about as much as I did when he was a Chief, I'm talking about retaining 90-95% of his value. In other words I don't think KC made him, I have total confidence in his ability.

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44 minutes ago, Dr. Dan said:

Just goes to show how important destination is for anyone. It's more opportunity than it is talent in the NFL it seems. Would Kareem Hunt be one of the best 5 young backs in the league if he weren't in KC? We might soon find out.

 Yes.  I don’t understand how you’ve watched Hunt run for a season and a half and you just can’t get past your position that he’s JAG.  

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23 minutes ago, Bronco Billy said:

 Yes.  I don’t understand how you’ve watched Hunt run for a season and a half and you just can’t get past your position that he’s JAG.  

I never said he is JAG. If you can find that direct quote within the last 6 months, I will admit to being dead wrong. He was one of the top backs in the league when he was with KC. All I am saying is that he isn;'t going to pick right up where he left off with his next team.

 

If Hunt goes to Miami is he a 1st round redraft pick next year?

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Couple of things...

1) I’ll be interested to see if KC is one of those teams...

2) I think it’d be a bad look for the NFL if Hunt winds up signing a deal where he broke the the bank.

 

 

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1 minute ago, TheDirtyWord said:

Couple of things...

1) I’ll be interested to see if KC is one of those teams...

2) I think it’d be a bad look for the NFL if Hunt winds up signing a deal where he broke the the bank.

 

 

yes, sets a bad precedent if he breaks bank. But that's on his new team, not really the NFL

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4 minutes ago, TheDirtyWord said:

Couple of things...

1) I’ll be interested to see if KC is one of those teams...

2) I think it’d be a bad look for the NFL if Hunt winds up signing a deal where he broke the the bank.

 

 

I can’t see 1 or 2 happening. Hunt was still on his rookie contract and now has a sever strike against him two factors that are sure to come up in negotiations.

it seems obvious to me that KC is not going to bring him back - but maybe I’m off base.

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2 minutes ago, Dr. Dan said:

yes, sets a bad precedent if he breaks bank. But that's on his new team, not really the NFL

But you seem to understand right off the bat that let’s say he signs a 4 year $40M deal...and they’ll be some up front money likely close to $15-20M.  I suspect he wasn’t going to earn more than $2M in 2019-2020.

Fact is, the NFL is the team(s)...

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15 minutes ago, Dr. Dan said:

I never said he is JAG. If you can find that direct quote within the last 6 months, I will admit to being dead wrong. He was one of the top backs in the league when he was with KC. All I am saying is that he isn;'t going to pick right up where he left off with his next team.

 

If Hunt goes to Miami is he a 1st round redraft pick next year?

Not miami.....chicago or philly

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10 minutes ago, TheDirtyWord said:

  I suspect he wasn’t going to earn more than $2M in 2019-2020.

 

He would have earned just over $1M COMBINED for those two years. I suspect even with missing 6 game checks next year he'll beat that next year alone.

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19 minutes ago, Dr. Dan said:

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If Hunt goes to Miami is he a 1st round redraft pick next year?

Was not always a first round guy this year when he was a Chief.

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20 minutes ago, Dr. Dan said:

I never said he is JAG. If you can find that direct quote within the last 6 months, I will admit to being dead wrong. He was one of the top backs in the league when he was with KC. All I am saying is that he isn;'t going to pick right up where he left off with his next team.

 

If Hunt goes to Miami is he a 1st round redraft pick next year?

 

You’ve averred to as much if you haven’t said it verbatim.  I never quoted you or stated you said those exact words.  I wish you’d be a bit more practical in discussing and not so defensive.  But that’s pretty much the amalgam of your position as stated in multiple posts.  And you repeat that position above by saying his performance is based upon his environment and not upon his talent.  I disagree and I believe his tape to date supports me.

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