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Andy Dufresne

Non-ppr: 1.02/4.07 for 1.5/1.9/2.5

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I  get 1.02/4.07

I give 1.5/1.9/2.5

I really like Fournette and Davis but I'm torn on whether there's enough of a difference between one of them and someone like McCaffrey/Williams/Mixon to sacrifice getting the likely candidates at 9.

I kinda disregard the 2.5 and 4,7 in this. 

Current starting lineup would look about like this

Wilson, Russell SEA QB
Ajayi, Jay MIA RB
Freeman, Devonta ATL RB
Perkins, Paul NYG RB
Adams, Davante GBP WR
Coleman, Corey CLE WR
Hill, Tyreek KCC WR
Walker, Delanie TEN TE
Vinatieri, Adam IND PK

My current roster (sans IDP)

PLAYER 2016 YTD PTS BYE DRAFTED TRADE?
Bridgewater, Teddy MIN QB (Q) - 9 FA  
Wilson, Russell SEA QB 310.36 6 FA  
Ajayi, Jay MIA RB 189.80 11 FA  
Booker, Devontae DEN RB 112.70 5 FA  
Freeman, Devonta ATL RB 230.10 5 FA  
Perkins, Paul NYG RB 65.30 8 FA  
Richard, Jalen OAK RB 112.66 10 FA  
Stewart, Jonathan CAR RB 138.40 11 FA  
Adams, Davante GBP WR 173.70 8 FA  
Boldin, Anquan FA WR 106.40 - $1.00  
Coleman, Corey CLE WR 62.30 9 FA  
Hill, Tyreek KCC WR 200.73 10 FA  
Inman, Dontrelle LAC WR 111.00 9 $11.00  
Tate, Golden DET WR 132.10 7 FA  
Brate, Cameron TBB TE 116.50 11 FA  
Heuerman, Jeff DEN TE 14.10 5 FA  
Higbee, Tyler LAR TE 16.50 8 FA  
Hooper, Austin ATL TE 45.60 5 FA  
Walker, Delanie TEN TE 124.10 8

FA

 

 

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1.5/1.9 for 1.2 is pretty much a fair offer to me.   But the issue is that your team isn't that strong and isn't, say a RB2 away from being a contender.  I would just keep what you have and keep rebuilding.

So I would pass.

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18 minutes ago, fightingillini said:

1.5/1.9 for 1.2 is pretty much a fair offer to me.   But the issue is that your team isn't that strong and isn't, say a RB2 away from being a contender.  I would just keep what you have and keep rebuilding.

So I would pass.

It's a 12 team league with return yards. Zealots non-ppr if that helps. 7 of the 12 teams were 6-7 or worse so all the teams are pretty average.

The way I see it, Ajayi and Freeman are two top backs. Adams/Hill/Coleman isn't awful. 

I think I like the 1.2 over the 1.5 but but I wonder if I can get someone at 1.9 that I could start over what I have at an amount greater than I what I'd gain with the 1.2 over the 1.5.

I'm glad you think the 1.5/1.9 equals the 1.2.

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It's probably a fair offer but I would prefer to stay where you are at.  My own personal feeling is that this draft is deep but I'm having trouble getting highly excited at a player or two.  That could change after the draft. But, at this time I would rather pick a little later and have a couple more shots at guys at 1.9 and 2.5.  I wish I could get a similar offer in Z11 for the 1.2 that I hold.

 

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On 4/23/2017 at 8:39 PM, Andy Dufresne said:

 

The way I see it, Ajayi and Freeman are two top backs. Adams/Hill/Coleman isn't awful. 

I think I like the 1.2 over the 1.5 but but I wonder if I can get someone at 1.9 that I could start over what I have at an amount greater than I what I'd gain with the 1.2 over the 1.5.

I'm glad you think the 1.5/1.9 equals the 1.2.

I think I like 1.02 over 1.05 too?

Its fair value, question is are you willing to let the draft come to you or do you want to jump for your pick of the top guys? I'd fournette goes to the jets and Davis to buffalo do they still top your list? So you have the space to roster all your picks or do you need to condense?

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2 hours ago, Snorkelson said:

I think I like 1.02 over 1.05 too?

Its fair value, question is are you willing to let the draft come to you or do you want to jump for your pick of the top guys? I'd fournette goes to the jets and Davis to buffalo do they still top your list? So you have the space to roster all your picks or do you need to condense?

I get that it could be funny but I'm of the mind that there's possibly no difference between the talent you'd get at 2 than at 5. The top 5 seem almost interchangeable.

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29 minutes ago, Andy Dufresne said:

I get that it could be funny but I'm of the mind that there's possibly no difference between the talent you'd get at 2 than at 5. The top 5 seem almost interchangeable.

Sure but pre draft ranking can change greatly post draft. For me, I have guys in that tier that I like more than others and where they go could change my perception or solidify it. If Cook, who I have some reservations about, goes to a prime landing spot I toss out the issues I have. If he goes to the jets in rd 2, well, I may drop him into the 2nd tier of guys because I don't think that offense is going anywhere fast. Maybe I put more value on quality opportunity than others. That would be one reason to move up for me, two or three of these guys will land in prime spots, and one will surely land in a less than ideal situation. I don't want to be stuck at 5 when I can get (hopefully) more immediate returns from the 2 and have a reasonable offer. Sometimes talent can overcome that, but like taking Watkins over Evans/obj, maybe he has more talent but the situation wasn't ideal and pretty much remains that way. 

The statement was funny to me, though,  as to there may be some doubt that the 1.02 is better than 1.05. Semantics aside, I can't wait for the week to be over so we can start the real internet speculation.

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definitely keep 5 and 9. This draft is pretty deep. That should land you POTENTIALLY one of the top WRS and maybe even OJ Howard... (Trade Bait) (If Mixon/Mcaffrey go somewhere beneficial as in situation... I could easily see this top 4, turn into a top 5 or 6)

 

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So were back on again here but he's given up on the 1.05 - I wouldn't budge there.

I've added as trade bait Kuechly (least desired by him), Adams and Hill.

He's also thrown out making Hopkins, Shepard and Henry avalable to me.

So, with the ammo of 1.09, Keuchley, Adams, and Hill and the target pool of 1.02, Hopkins and Henry...what would you do?

Remember it's NON-PPR. 

Is a 1.02 for 1.09/Hill fair? Would I have to throw in Kuechly or the 2.9?

What about using the 1.9 for Hopkins? How much would the difference between there.

I'm nearly positive the 1.1 will be a RB. Guy there has nothing at the spot.

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And the starting lineups are as such 

Any combination of seven from

Number of Starting RBs:1-3

Number of Starting WRs:2-5

Number of Starting TEs:1-4

So my plan would be to start 3 RB  (one coming with the 1.5 which should be better than Perkins) and then Davis instead of Hill (for example) to go with Adams/Coleman.

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1 hour ago, Andy Dufresne said:

So were back on again here but he's given up on the 1.05 - I wouldn't budge there.

I've added as trade bait Kuechly (least desired by him), Adams and Hill.

He's also thrown out making Hopkins, Shepard and Henry avalable to me.

So, with the ammo of 1.09, Keuchley, Adams, and Hill and the target pool of 1.02, Hopkins and Henry...what would you do?

Remember it's NON-PPR. 

Is a 1.02 for 1.09/Hill fair? Would I have to throw in Kuechly or the 2.9?

What about using the 1.9 for Hopkins? How much would the difference between there.

I'm nearly positive the 1.1 will be a RB. Guy there has nothing at the spot.

Getting to 1.02 might depend on what the other team needs.  I think 1.09/Hill for 1.02 is reasonable but if that team wants a RB he might not want to move down that far.  I'm assuming this is a zealot league which counts return yardage to some extent.

1.9 for Hopkins seems light to the general community and probably is.  I'm just not high enough on Hopkins to want to pay his market value.

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2 minutes ago, Warhogs said:

Getting to 1.02 might depend on what the other team needs.  I think 1.09/Hill for 1.02 is reasonable but if that team wants a RB he might not want to move down that far.  I'm assuming this is a zealot league which counts return yardage to some extent.

I kind of let it be for a couple days tuning the matter was closed.  He came back to me today and seems eager to deal. I think I've made him flinch.

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5 minutes ago, Andy Dufresne said:

Really? Interesting.

Just looked up the scoring and maybe not (should be in the original post :D).  Hill's return numbers get your 400 regular yards.  

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Just now, BassNBrew said:

Just looked up the scoring and maybe not (should be in the original post :D).  Hill's return numbers get your 400 regular yards.  

Yes, good point

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32 minutes ago, BassNBrew said:

Just looked up the scoring and maybe not (should be in the original post :D).  Hill's return numbers get your 400 regular yards.  

I see a down tick in his return yards as many teams try to neutralize his impact by kicking away from him.  I don't see him having nearly as good of a return year as teams don't let him beat them on the kick return game.

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WTF is wrong with people? A week and a half ago the guy submitted this offer:

Minnesota Vikings offers

Year 2017 Draft Pick 1.02;

Year 2017 Draft Pick 4.02

Arizona Cardinals for

Year 2017 Draft Pick 1.05;

Year 2017 Draft Pick 1.09;

Year 2017 Draft Pick 2.05

 

Today I offer 

Arizona Cardinals offer

Tyreek Hill

1.09

2.09

Minnesota Vikings for

1.02

4.02

 

His response was, "I don't see that as a starting point." What an epic waste of time. :hot:

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