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== OFFICIAL OAKLAND RAIDERS 2018 thread == (6 Viewers)
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Chadstroma
Footballguy
We like the high risk, high reward moves. If you go for them you have to live with the downside too
The Bears gave up first-round picks in 2019 and 2020, a third-round pick in 2020 and a sixth-round pick in 2019 to acquire Mack earlier Saturday, a source told ESPN. In return, the Bears also received s a second-round pick in 2020 and a conditional fifth-round pick in 2020.
rockaction
Footballguy
Chadstroma
Footballguy
We get two 1's, a 3 and a 6.
We send Mack, a 2, and a conditional 5th.
As reported but not official.
We send Mack, a 2, and a conditional 5th.
As reported but not official.
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Garrett
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You can only have one player in this extreme deviation from the mean of NFL contracts and have any chance of building a playoff contender. If the Raiders doubled down and did it with Carr and Mack it would have been a self inflicted disaster.
https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/oakland-raiders/contracts/
Go pull up the contracts from any team you think is doing anything right and show me the one that has two 20-25 million a year players...
There is no way I would have chosen to keep Mack over Carr. Mack got 20 million more guaranteed than Derek did; if that was the price, the Raiders were forced to trade him.
https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/oakland-raiders/contracts/
Go pull up the contracts from any team you think is doing anything right and show me the one that has two 20-25 million a year players...
There is no way I would have chosen to keep Mack over Carr. Mack got 20 million more guaranteed than Derek did; if that was the price, the Raiders were forced to trade him.
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Garrett
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https://twitter.com/AmyTrask/status/1035903118762946560
If we needed a reminder of what Al would have done...
If we needed a reminder of what Al would have done...
Garrett
Footballguy
The Bears are still the worst team in their own division until proven otherwise. I guess a lot of any speculation comes down to their QB play moving forward though. I think the pick(s) are as likely to be 5 as 25; it will be interesting to see how it plays out.
flapgreen
Footballguy
Chadstroma
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Chadstroma
Footballguy
Though I do not expect top 5 picks from them, I think you are coloring your view with homer colored lenses.
Chadstroma
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Chadstroma
Footballguy
Waived
PlayerPos.Ht.Wt.Exp.College
Ateman, MarcellWR6-4216ROklahoma State
Baugh, MarcusTE6-4247ROhio State
Blacknall, SaeedWR6-2208RPenn State
Brown, PharaohTE6-52461Oregon
Bryant, MartavisWR6-42104Clemson
Butler, JamesRB5-9210RIowa
Butler, PaulTE6-6252RCalifornia (Pa.)
Cabinda, JasonLB6-1243RPenn State
Carter, JarellCB5-101961Trinity International
Cook, ConnorQB6-42153Michigan State
Cowser, JamesLB6-32453Southern Utah
Davis, AntwuanCB5-11196RTexas
Edwards Jr., MarioDE6-32804Florida State
Flagel, ConnorDT6-5296RCentral Missouri
Hamilton, AntonioCB6-01903South Carolina State
Hunt, CameronG6-42651Oregon
Kirkland, DenverG/T6-43353Arkansas
Leavitt, DallinS5-10203RUtah State
Mauger, QuincyS6-02062Georgia
Pringle, RayseanCB6-01911Southern Utah
Simmons, JordanG6-33391USC
Soto, ShakirDL6-32901Pittsburgh
Victor, AzeemLB6-2240RWashington
Ware, JylanT6-73172Alabama State
Whitney, IsaacWR6-22041USC
Wright, GabeDT6-33094Auburn
Yurachek, RyanFB6-0240RMarshall
RELEASED THE FOLLOWING PLAYERS:
Table inside Article
PlayerPos.Ht.Wt.Exp.College
Aboushi, OdayOL6-53156Virginia
Stone, JamesC6-32903Tennessee
Wright, ShareeceCB5-111848USC
PlayerPos.Ht.Wt.Exp.College
Ateman, MarcellWR6-4216ROklahoma State
Baugh, MarcusTE6-4247ROhio State
Blacknall, SaeedWR6-2208RPenn State
Brown, PharaohTE6-52461Oregon
Bryant, MartavisWR6-42104Clemson
Butler, JamesRB5-9210RIowa
Butler, PaulTE6-6252RCalifornia (Pa.)
Cabinda, JasonLB6-1243RPenn State
Carter, JarellCB5-101961Trinity International
Cook, ConnorQB6-42153Michigan State
Cowser, JamesLB6-32453Southern Utah
Davis, AntwuanCB5-11196RTexas
Edwards Jr., MarioDE6-32804Florida State
Flagel, ConnorDT6-5296RCentral Missouri
Hamilton, AntonioCB6-01903South Carolina State
Hunt, CameronG6-42651Oregon
Kirkland, DenverG/T6-43353Arkansas
Leavitt, DallinS5-10203RUtah State
Mauger, QuincyS6-02062Georgia
Pringle, RayseanCB6-01911Southern Utah
Simmons, JordanG6-33391USC
Soto, ShakirDL6-32901Pittsburgh
Victor, AzeemLB6-2240RWashington
Ware, JylanT6-73172Alabama State
Whitney, IsaacWR6-22041USC
Wright, GabeDT6-33094Auburn
Yurachek, RyanFB6-0240RMarshall
RELEASED THE FOLLOWING PLAYERS:
Table inside Article
PlayerPos.Ht.Wt.Exp.College
Aboushi, OdayOL6-53156Virginia
Stone, JamesC6-32903Tennessee
Wright, ShareeceCB5-111848USC
I thought it was Buchanan and Napoleon Harris? A MLBTrivia time!! The Raiders got 2 1sts when they shipped Gruden to Tampa Bay. What Pro Bowl quality, once-in-a-decade players did they parley those picks into?
Why, cornerback Phillip Buchanan and defensive end Tyler Brayton, of course.
Ed Wood
Footballguy
Garrett
Footballguy
Thanks for the insight. Everyone can celebrate here when the Bears win the Super Bowl after winning 5, 6, 3, and 5 games the last 4 years.
Tanner9919
Footballguy
this is a GREAT move for Oakland..they're not winning this year, they're not winning next year.but they want the building blocks..Oakland figures to win about 5-6 games this season, maybe less than that..
Chicago is BY FAR one of the 4-5 worst teams in the NFL. I've got Chicago, Indy, Oakland, Detroit and Buffalo., I can't imagine Chicago winning 5 games, they might win 3 or 4 games.so Oakland is looking at having 2 top 5 picks in next years draft. and probably a top 10 in 2020 when Chicago once again wets the bed.
this was a brilliant move for Oakland!!!
there's simply no other way to look at this.they've freed up a TON of cap space for next year, and acquired TOP picks in the process..
Chicago is BY FAR one of the 4-5 worst teams in the NFL. I've got Chicago, Indy, Oakland, Detroit and Buffalo., I can't imagine Chicago winning 5 games, they might win 3 or 4 games.so Oakland is looking at having 2 top 5 picks in next years draft. and probably a top 10 in 2020 when Chicago once again wets the bed.
this was a brilliant move for Oakland!!!
there's simply no other way to look at this.they've freed up a TON of cap space for next year, and acquired TOP picks in the process..
DocHolliday
Footballguy
I hate being a raiders fan today.
rockaction
Footballguy
Interseptopus
Footballguy
I think Chicago is going to be better than 5 wins with their defense as it is now. trent dilfer won a superbowl with a great defense and pretty below average offense. Chicago is approaching that level with this trade.
I do agree, Chicago has a ways to go. It's going to be a big kick to the balls to Bear fans when they are .500 at the midway point looking at the very tough second half of their schedule. This has potential to be a top 15 pick, which is always nice.
I can see a scenario where the Bears are 9-7 and looking at potential playoffs. but I dont see them at .500 this season. so oakland has an opportunity to land a playmaker.
and who knows. maybe trubisky falls flat and absolutely blows and this turns into a top 10 pick. could happen.
ETA: if I were a raiders fan I'd be pretty bummed about this trade. Chicago fans should be pumped. Just as I would be stoked if GB landed him.
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BustedKnuckles
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Raiders released QB E.J. Manuel.
After both Manuel and Connor Cook bombed as Derek Carr's backup over the past two seasons, the Raiders have moved on to future failed backup AJ McCarron. New coach Jon Gruden is throwing darts, and doing so with alarmingly poor accuracy.
After both Manuel and Connor Cook bombed as Derek Carr's backup over the past two seasons, the Raiders have moved on to future failed backup AJ McCarron. New coach Jon Gruden is throwing darts, and doing so with alarmingly poor accuracy.
ICON211
Footballguy
The Bears won 5 games last year. They got rid of Fox, have a QB that is no longer a rookie and have added Mack, Roquan and weapons at receiver. They are definitely better than last year and are not one of the 4-5 worst teams in the NFL.
Ed Wood
Footballguy
Raiders fans can hope.
Gruden said the Raider D wasn't very good even WITH Mack last year. Fair enough. But can you imagine how great Mack could be this year--and elevate the D with him--if Key and Hall and Hurst are the players the Raiders think they may be. Mack was having to fight off two and sometimes three guys last year. Those days were potentially over. Now they are over but for the wrong reason.
Chadstroma
Footballguy
Chicago had the makings of a solid defense before Mack. A decent front 3, a decent secondary and if Smith is as advertised and adding Mack along with a healthy Floyd and Trevathan- IMO the best LB corps in the league.
The offense is all riding on Trubisky developing or not. If he doesn't.... I can see a top 15 pick over the next two years as the Bears won't have the money to get a FA QB to replace him and not the 1st rounders to draft one. If he makes decent progression this year, I think we can expect a 15-20 pick and a playoff slot pick in 2020.
How much value the Raiders get out of this trade is all about the Bear QB.
As a man who's been twice divorced. I know how to move on. It is what it is, Mack ain't coming back and this is obviously Grudens team. What choice do I (we) have but to hope for the best. Go Raiders!
rockaction
Footballguy
Chadstroma
Footballguy
We got a 7th from Seattle for Shalom Luani
Chaka
Footballguy
Along with throwing away a 3rd on Martavis and a 5th on McCarron. Great draft management right there.
rockaction
Footballguy
I'd take that risk again, but I might drive a harder bargain for it to be a fourth. I'm surprised you'd call it throwing it away. See: your work in the Josh Gordon thread. Not perfectly analogous situations, but a bit on point.
rockaction
Footballguy
I don't think I can. Trubisky is still on his rookie deal, so that's not a concern for the Bears.
What's weird, though, is most people are calling it a win-lose trade either way. I think it's lose-lose. The Bears might be an eight win team next year. The Raiders are going to have to find a dynamo, two position All-Pro in the draft to replace Mack. Good luck with that.
The teams don't make sense for each other. I guess Mack really forced hands here.
Chaka
Footballguy
Gordon>>>>>>Bryant and no one would give a 3rd for Gordon.
ETA: Except Gruden who would give two firsts apparently.
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Interseptopus
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rockaction
Footballguy
Yeah, Gordon > Bryant, and if I accept your premise (bolded), I accept that it's a different situation and you're emphasizing that the Raiders were cavalier in what they gave up for him.
I'm not sure I can do that. Bryant changes games, too, though not to the extent of Josh Gordon.
Interseptopus
Footballguy
right, but maybe that's what made Chicago the most attractive trade partner.
GB was interested. so they could have given their own and/or NO 2019 pick. both are expected to be playoff teams. that doesnt help the raiders much.
BUF and CLE interested. not bad. weird for buffalo to be into that but I guess build defense first. CLE is better than they have been.
Maybe Chicago was offering what seemed to be the highest picks of all teams interested
rockaction
Footballguy
That's a really good point. Give him to the worst team and improve your own first round picks in doing so. People were commenting today that they were surprised nobody offered more or that the trading partner was weird. Maybe that's why.
Garrett
Footballguy
Everyone is ignoring the salary cap; like the Raiders have to take a 1st round pick and replace Mack to just break even.
Your can sign a DE for 23.5m/year over 6 years
or
you can draft two 1st round picks at 3m/year each and bring in two FAs at 8-11m/year each (Hudson/Osemele) over that time. One of those 1st round picks doesn't have to equate to Mack to break even.
Chaka
Footballguy
Agree or not Martavis has never come close to flashing Gordon like ability. How many 3rd round picks get cut?
It was absolutely a cavalier waste of a pick. As was a 5th for AJ ####### McCarron.
rockaction
Footballguy
Yeah. I think it was you that made the point that there isn't a team with two guys making over twenty million dollars a year. It's sort of like the Garappolo situation last year in NE. You can't have two guys at those wages (when there's a mandatory ceiling on wages) and still expect to compete in all aspects of the game.
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