This is literally happening because the police chocked a man to death in broad daylight...your optimism on the tear gassing is strangeThere is simply no way police would just start year gassing peaceful protesters. Full stop.
This is literally happening because the police chocked a man to death in broad daylight...your optimism on the tear gassing is strangeThere is simply no way police would just start year gassing peaceful protesters. Full stop.
Disagree. He urged law and order, including justice for Floyd. Just another example that the left will complain about anything he does.True.
But irrelevant.
He went to the church to take a picture, make a speech, pander to his base, and generally create a distraction.
What did he do there other than pose for a photo. He didn’t pray. He didn’t deliver a speech there. He didn’t mention the church. As far as I could tell, he didn’t even acknowledge the church. So if it wasn’t a photo op, what was it?I don't agree it was for a photo op.
We had several police officers shot at riots yesterday. Police needs to seize control and keep the public safe from these thugs.This is literally happening because the police chocked a man to death in broad daylight...your optimism on the tear gassing is strange
Showing respect for the churchWhat did he do there other than pose for a photo. He didn’t pray. He didn’t deliver a speech there. He didn’t mention the church. As far as I could tell, he didn’t even acknowledge the church. So if it wasn’t a photo op, what was it?
Who will keep the people safe from the Police?We had several police officers shot at riots yesterday. Police needs to seize control and keep the public safe from these thugs.
How did he show respect for the church? He didn’t even acknowledge the church other than to pose for a picture in front of it (hence, the photo op).Showing respect for the church
While will have to agree to disagree on that one, in classic Trump fashion he certainly didn’t miss the opportunity though did he? If what he really cared about was the opportunity to go there the photo op is completely pointless. His presence there is all the photo op one needs.He didn't go to the church only to take a picture.
If you are afraid of the police then I do not know what to tell you.Who will keep the people safe from the Police?
Again...how then do you explain not actually talking to people who work at the church? How do you explain expelling them from their own patio? Pushing them back with police forces and tear gas affecting them (as many of them attended to people with medical needs).Showing respect for the church
While my opinion is in the minority in this thread I suspect it is in the majority in the real world.While will have to agree to disagree on that one, in classic Trump fashion he certainly didn’t miss the opportunity though did he? If what he really cared about was the speech and the opportunity to go there the photo op is completely pointless. His presence there and his speech are all the photo op one needs.
By standing there posing and being sure the world sees he’s holding a Bible (even going so far as holding it up so people can even more clearly see it) blatantly shows his reasoning for being there.
Same way visiting natural disaster is showing respect.Again...how then do you explain not actually talking to people who work at the church? How do you explain expelling them from their own patio? Pushing them back with police forces and tear gas affecting them (as many of them attended to people with medical needs).
In what way did what he did show respect for the church...if anything, he quite clearly showed zero respect for the church, the teachings of the church, or the people who serve the church.
Why do you think that is?While my opinion is in the minority in this thread I suspect it is in the majority in the real world.
I dunno. Coast Guard?Who will keep the people safe from the Police?We had several police officers shot at riots yesterday. Police needs to seize control and keep the public safe from these thugs.
Pretty much why people are protesting.If you are afraid of the police then I do not know what to tell you.
you do realize those presidents actually met with the people, shared their pain.Same way visiting natural disaster is showing respect.
There are numerous videos of the police targeting legitimate protestors and bystanders as well as members of the press with some incidents resulting in severe injuries to those targeted. There are bad hombres on both sides of this and these protests are about weeding out individual cops and changing cultures of policing in general. The masks are off and we can see how truly bad the situation is in some areas.If you are afraid of the police then I do not know what to tell you.
I don't believe that is the same.Same way visiting natural disaster is showing respect.
Floyd had every right to be afraid of the police. Unfortunately it was also proven justified.If you are afraid of the police then I do not know what to tell you.Who will keep the people safe from the Police?
There are a great number of African Americans who are very much afraid of the police...given how the police have treated people like them...including the murder of George Floyd.If you are afraid of the police then I do not know what to tell you.
Trump didn't do that eitherThey didn't use tear gas to clear a path and push them all to the side so he can give a presentation holding a bible
Pretty much sums it up perfectly.If you are afraid of the police then I do not know what to tell you.
It really isn't...also, why do you believe your opinion of this is in the majority overall? That does not seem to be supported by much of anything at all..including people I know who support Trump who were unhappy with his actions the past few days and the photo op.because this forum is EXTREMELY liberal
Stop this...nobody is saying he did it personally...however, at his or his administration/secret service request...it did happen.Trump didn't do that either
No I’d say extremely anti-trump yes, liberal no. But regardless so are you saying the majority of the “real world” is pro Trump or conservative. Since you’re saying you’re in the majority in the “real world”because this forum is EXTREMELY liberal
When presidents visit national disaster areas, they don't simply "go" there to show respect; they go there to comfort victims, to meet with first responders, to assess damage, and to promise financial aid.Same way visiting natural disaster is showing respect.
I am genuinely confused here. I can't tell what you disagreed with. You came out pretty strong saying that he did no such thing.Don't Noonan said:He did no such thing.Get It.......At Porky's said:Don't dodge the question. Are you proud that he dispersed peaceful protestors - people he claimed to stand with during that speech just moments before - with tear gas and flash grenades so he could cross the street for that photo op at the church? Yes or no.
Yup, just like our forefathers discussed when drafting our constitution: "The comfort and safety of one man is far more important and takes greater priority over the comfort and safety of masses of men".Protesters would not move out of the way as they were instructed. Safety of our President takes priority.
of course he didn't, he couldn't exert that type of effort. He's having other people do it...Trump didn't do that either
Look, you can't stop the bad seeds. Unfortunately their are going to be bad cops but almost all are here to serve the public. For the same reason you can't hate on Muslims just because a small minority are terrorists.Floyd had every right to be afraid of the police. Unfortunately it was also was proven true
This is the new take on everything right now...if you disagree with Trump you are a liberal. I know a lot of conservatives (as do most others) who are not for Trump..No I’d say extremely anti-trump yes, liberal no. But regardless so are you saying the majority of the “real world” is pro Trump or conservative. Since you’re saying you’re in the majority in the “real world”
dudeof course he didn't, he couldn't exert that type of effort. He's having other people do it...
Except we have done a million things to protect us from terrorists. We can't even get the police to keep their body cams onLook, you can't stop the bad deeds. Unfortunately their are going to be bad cops but almost all are here to serve the public. For the same reason you can't hate on Muslims just because a small minority are terrorists.
When a leader visits the location of a natural disaster, they acknowledge and recognize the destruction, they talk to the people affected, they spend time there trying to understand the impact. Trump did none of those things.Same way visiting natural disaster is showing respect.
I completely agree the overwhelming majority of cops, or Muslims in your example, are good people. But you also can’t deny if you’re a part of a specific part of our society fear of the cops is justified. And this has been played out time and time again.Look, you can't stop the bad deeds. Unfortunately their are going to be bad cops but almost all are here to serve the public. For the same reason you can't hate on Muslims just because a small minority are terrorists.
Don’t we hear often from people that they wished the good Muslims would speak up? And that if they dint...thats too bad? Does the same not apply here? And it goes beyond a few bad coos. It goes higher to a system that has been protecting those bad cops for years.Look, you can't stop the bad deeds. Unfortunately their are going to be bad cops but almost all are here to serve the public. For the same reason you can't hate on Muslims just because a small minority are terrorists.
Untrue. Trump did all of those things.When a leader visits the location of a natural disaster, they acknowledge and recognize the destruction, they talk to the people affected, they spend time there trying to understand the impact. Trump did none of those things.
Do you also dude the person making the disingenuous claim that Trump didn't do it? So you seriously think anyone here was claiming that Trump personally fires tear gas?dude
Agreed, but It’s not new, it’s been going on for about 3.5 years.This is the new take on everything right now...if you disagree with Trump you are a liberal. I know a lot of conservatives (as do most others) who are not for Trump..
Trump is an entirely different thing
That's unfortunate, because that, combined with the attitude that nothing needs to change, is the problem.No I don't support changing that. No reason to.
This is twice today...what is untrue? Everything he stated was true. Trump did none of those things on his visit to the church.Untrue
We can implement policies that will mitigate and ultimately reduce the instances of bad deeds. And when I say “we” I’m referring in large part to mayors, governors and state legislators, many of which are Democrats.Look, you can't stop the bad deeds. Unfortunately their are going to be bad cops but almost all are here to serve the public. For the same reason you can't hate on Muslims just because a small minority are terrorists.
My point is you can never truly stop these type of events. There are always going to be very bad people including this horrible officer. Increased training will help so that the other officers on scene could have stepped in and stopped him. However, this will happen again for sure unfortunately and violent protests and looting helps nobody.I completely agree the overwhelming majority of cops, or Muslims in your example, are good people. But you also can’t deny if you’re a part of a specific part of our society fear of the cops is justified. And this has been played out time and time again.
While I don’t disagree with anything you typed here it has nothing to do with the point of justified fear. Your original statement was “if you’re afraid of the police I don’t know what to tell you”. That shows a massive Blindspot in my opinion and there are lots of people out there who’s fear is extraordinarily justified. Now I completely agree violent protest help nothing here, at all, and I am in no way shape or form advocating for it. But your fear statement in my opinion shows a massive disconnect.My point is you can never truly stop these type of events. There are always going to be very bad people including this horrible officer. Increased training will help so that the other officers on scene could have stepped in and stopped him. However, this will happen again for sure unfortunately and violent protests and looting helps nobody.
When Trump stood in front of the church to pose for photos, did heUntrue
I would argue police have much more reason to be fearful as they are risking their lives every day.While I don’t disagree with anything you typed here it has nothing to do with the point of justified fear. Your original statement was “if you’re afraid of the police I don’t know what to tell you”. That shows a massive Blindspot in my opinion and there are lots of people out there who’s fear is extraordinarily justified. Now I completely agree violent protest help nothing here, at all, and I am in no way shape or form advocating for it. But your fear statement in my opinion shows a massive disconnect.
Because we can’t eliminate criminal police brutality entirely doesn’t mean we should not make efforts to reduce its occurrence.My point is you can never truly stop these type of events. There are always going to be very bad people including this horrible officer. Increased training will help so that the other officers on scene could have stepped in and stopped him. However, this will happen again for sure unfortunately and violent protests and looting helps nobody.