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Put my two weeks in and was all but fired. Can you Erase a iPhone w/o passcode? (1 Viewer)

SR388

SR388

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I put my two weeks at my old job and they basically all but fired me today. I was pretty shocked as I planned on spending all of today and tomorrow making sure my paperwork was in order and my work truck was clean before I left. Seemed like the right thing to do. They offered me more money over and over and I declined. Then they asked for my keys, credit cards and phone and told me to GTFO. 

They are threatening to hold my last check until I provide them with the passcode to my work issued iPhone that I turned in. 

Cant they just wipe the phone and start over? 

 
They can, by plugging it in and resetting it to factory settings. Or, you could do that if you have the phone. Or, go in and click a button to reset it without giving the passcode. 

 
Mario Kart said:
They can, by plugging it in and resetting it to factory settings. Or, you could do that if you have the phone. Or, go in and click a button to reset it without giving the passcode. 
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Sounds like he already handed the phone over. They obviously want to check it out before they wipe it.

 
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Yeah, that’s what I thought. They can just wipe it. I’m not even sure it’s legal to withhold my paycheck like this. 

 
SR388 said:
Yeah, that’s what I thought. They can just wipe it. I’m not even sure it’s legal to withhold my paycheck like this. 
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Probably not, though your contract might give an indication, and/or any agreement you made when you got the company provided phone. Ready to go to court?

 
This is a rookie move and a good lesson for all our friends here.  ALWAYS tidy up your trail and take all the office supplies you need for the next 12 months before making any kind of move regarding your employment even if it's just a threat/negotiating tactic.  Heck, all of you reading on a work computer should delete your internet history and grab a box of paper clips as soon as you are done with this post.  

 
Depending on what we are talking about it may have been in your best interest to drop it in a bucket of water over night and then smash it with a hammer, set it on fire and throw the ashes in the trash.  Or realize your gay porn browsing has left breadcrumbs everywhere for years and nobody cares.

”One credit card receipt for Swedish-made penis enlarger signed by Austin Powers.”

“I'm telling ya baby, that's not mine.”

 
I mean, it comes with a work truck and a phone, so what are we talking here?  Repairman of some sort?  Construction foreman?  I don’t think we’re dealing with trade secrets being on this phone.  Whatever is on that phone is personal - pics of him inserting things anally is my guess. 

 
Grahamburn said:
Why wouldn't you just give them the passcode?
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Sounds like he wanted to leave on good terms but they acted, in his opinion, like jackwads. So he feels slighted and disrespected. Why do anything for them?! Also, like nearly everyone with a work-paid phone, he also uses it for personal use so he would've like the opportunity to clear out his texts, family photos, etc.. even if not 'incriminating'. 

I would've looked them in the eye, put the phone in my pocket, and said I didn't bring it today and I'll bring it to you tomorrow. 

I would assume they owe you your rightfully earned money. If you don't want to give them the passcode, then don't. Doubtful it is going to be a court issue.

I'd recommend wait and see how your check situation comes out. Depending on how strongly you feel about not giving the passcode, send a 30-day demand letter for your pay. No attorney needed yet - just write it yourself. 

 
Maybe he's one of those people that use the same passcode for everything and he doesn't want some schumck from IT wiping out his bank account.

 
Resetting without knowing the passcode is not an issue. Now if it was signed into his iTunes account, resetting and reactivating the phone can be a chore.

You can sign into your iCloud account from a computer and remove the device from your account. Been awhile since I’ve been in there on the web, but you may be able to erase it yourself from there as well.

Not surprised they didn’t let let you finish the two weeks. Once a company knows you want to be somewhere else and you gave notice, even if you are on good terms, why would they want you there? Little good can come of it. It’s bad for morale to have a short timer around, and you aren’t exactly motivated to give much of an effort.

 
True story - back in the day when I was a co-op I did PC support for a large multinational.  I spent my days helping with stupid networking and printer issues mostly but also had to do some application support.  One day I head to this lady’s desk - probably would qualify as a cougar but not super attractive.  Anyway, I ask the lady for her password to help her get the issue fixed.  She looks at me and instead of saying anything grabs a piece of paper and pen.  Writes something and hands it to me. 

“Thomas69”

I tried my best not to LOL as she had a whatchagonado look on her face 

 
AAABatteries said:
Depending on what we are talking about it may have been in your best interest to drop it in a bucket of water over night and then smash it with a hammer, set it on fire and throw the ashes in the trash.  Or realize your gay porn browsing has left breadcrumbs everywhere for years and nobody cares.

”One credit card receipt for Swedish-made penis enlarger signed by Austin Powers.”

“I'm telling ya baby, that's not mine.”
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Ah, the old Aaron Hernandez routine

 
Grahamburn said:
Why wouldn't you just give them the passcode?
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arrow1 said:
:popcorn:
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Warhogs said:
That is what I am wondering. Employment is done. I would simply give them the code and wait for my final check. What are they going to do? Look at what's on the phone and fire you twice?
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This is pretty much the answer below:

MikeMan said:
Sounds like he wanted to leave on good terms but they acted, in his opinion, like jackwads. So he feels slighted and disrespected. Why do anything for them?! Also, like nearly everyone with a work-paid phone, he also uses it for personal use so he would've like the opportunity to clear out his texts, family photos, etc.. even if not 'incriminating'. 

I would've looked them in the eye, put the phone in my pocket, and said I didn't bring it today and I'll bring it to you tomorrow. 

I would assume they owe you your rightfully earned money. If you don't want to give them the passcode, then don't. Doubtful it is going to be a court issue.

I'd recommend wait and see how your check situation comes out. Depending on how strongly you feel about not giving the passcode, send a 30-day demand letter for your pay. No attorney needed yet - just write it yourself. 
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I had the keys to the entire place, alarm codes, passwords everything. If I wanted to cause harm I already would have done it. They were throwing money at me to stay and asked me to stay a half a dozen times. I was only planning on giving them an honest 8 hour day. :shrug:

Obviously I was just naive. (And I didn’t want them to see my gay porn stash)

 
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Gr00vus said:
Sounds like he already handed the phone over. They obviously want to check it out before they wipe it.
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:yes:

bigmarc27 said:
I mean, it comes with a work truck and a phone, so what are we talking here?  Repairman of some sort?  Construction foreman?  I don’t think we’re dealing with trade secrets being on this phone.  Whatever is on that phone is personal - pics of him inserting things anally is my guess. 
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:yes:  (To all of it)

Nick Vermeil said:
This is a rookie move and a good lesson for all our friends here.  ALWAYS tidy up your trail and take all the office supplies you need for the next 12 months before making any kind of move regarding your employment even if it's just a threat/negotiating tactic.  Heck, all of you reading on a work computer should delete your internet history and grab a box of paper clips as soon as you are done with this post.  
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I did all that. I got al my personal stuff out of my office, leaving only pictures and a few items on my desk so as not to alert anyone of my intentions. 

I deleted everything from my phone but I had nothing but good intentions prior to them giving me the boot unceremoniously. 

I understand now why they let me go early, but them wanting to go through my phone is pretty creepy and to be honest, weird. 

I would have gladly let them have the password on my way out but since they kicked me to the curb they can pound sand. I’m not going to go out of my way to make life hard for them but I’m also not going to lift a finger to help either.

 
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SR388 said:
:yes:

:yes:  (To all of it)

I did all that. I got al my personal stuff out of my office, leaving only pictures and a few items on my desk so as not to alert anyone of my intentions. 

I deleted everything from my phone but I had nothing but good intentions prior to them giving me the boot unceremoniously. 

I understand now why they let me go early, but them wanting to go through my phone is pretty creepy and to be honest, weird. 

I would have gladly let them have the password on my way out but since they kicked me to the curb they can pound sand. I’m not going to go out of my way to make life hard for them but I’m also not going to lift a finger to help either.
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Claim you forgot the passcode? They would have no legal ground to stand on to  hold your money.

 
Nick Vermeil said:
This is a rookie move and a good lesson for all our friends here.  ALWAYS tidy up your trail and take all the office supplies you need for the next 12 months before making any kind of move regarding your employment even if it's just a threat/negotiating tactic.  Heck, all of you reading on a work computer should delete your internet history and grab a box of paper clips as soon as you are done with this post.  
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I took TWO boxes of paper clips from DEI (but one was half empty...I mean full)

 
RokNRole said:
Claim you forgot the passcode? They would have no legal ground to stand on to  hold your money.
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I did actually. My secretary knew my password because she would upload my job photos so once I got wind they were canning me I quickly changed it. Now I legitimately forgot it. 

 
Maybe I’m being the naive one, but my guess is they really just want the phone wiped and ready to set up for for the next guy.

As an IT guy, I really don’t care to look at people’s files or pics and only reset password to access files if the superintendent tells me to. You really aren’t as interesting as you think you are and I’ve got other stuff to do.

As far as holding pay, everybody here signs a statement of responsibility for laptops, phones, etc. when issued. If they consider a locked phone as not being returned in working order, maybe that’s their angle. Then again,as the IT guy,  I would have also just bypassed mgmt and called you and asked nicely to wipe the phone from iCloud.

 
SR388 said:
I did actually. My secretary knew my password because she would upload my job photos so once I got wind they were canning me I quickly changed it. Now I legitimately forgot it. 
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There is your legal defense if they want to withhold your pay and take it that far.

( You are hiding pics of the secretary aren’t you?)

 
Rustoleum said:
Maybe I’m being the naive one, but my guess is they really just want the phone wiped and ready to set up for for the next guy.

As an IT guy, I really don’t care to look at people’s files or pics and only reset password to access files if the superintendent tells me to. You really aren’t as interesting as you think you are and I’ve got other stuff to do.

As far as holding pay, everybody here signs a statement of responsibility for laptops, phones, etc. when issued. If they consider a locked phone as not being returned in working order, maybe that’s their angle. Then again,as the IT guy,  I would have also just bypassed mgmt and called you and asked nicely to wipe the phone from iCloud.
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ETA- my boss literally told me that they will poke around through my phone before passing it along. 

Had they treated me with the common decency I have given them the past 7 years I would have gladly provided them with whatever they wanted.

I got my check and the money is right. (Ex co-worker brought it by)  I’ll help the IT girl tomorrow by trying to remember it. She didn’t do me wrong. 

 
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SR388 said:
Had they treated me with the common decency I have given them the past 7 years I would have gladly provided them with whatever they wanted.

I got my check and the money is right. (Ex co-worker brought it by)  I’ll help the IT girl tomorrow by trying to remember it. She didn’t do me wrong. 
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YOU didn’t give THEM 7 years. They gave you the privelage of working for THEM for 7 years for probably considerably less than you deserved ( evidenced by the fact they offered several raises to keep you. YOU are expected to give them 2 weeks notice of leaving. THEY can just terminate you for any arbitrary reason and threaten to not give your your final compensation.

YOU are a lowly peon. THEY are God’s .

 
At one of my older jobs I had to come in on a weekend to run a program.

Unfortunately I wasn't fully authorized to do it. So I called my boss who was out of town. We finally figure out that the only way to do it so for me to use his login and password.

So he tells me his login. Then I say, hey what's your password?

Long pause 

He mumbles something that nobody could possibly have heard. 

I say "what I didn't hear you?"

Longest pause of my life.

"BelowJob69"

I ####### lost it. I assumed he was joking.

He was not.

 
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FWIW, they can't withhold your paycheck for that.  Their threat is meaningless.  They fired you.  They can't direct you to do anything else.  If you were employed they could.

Tell them you plan to file a lawsuit if you don't get it, and don't respond to anything else.  That will end it with most companies, because they'd have to pay more than just your paycheck if it goes to arbitration/court.  Might not end it at your company, but any suit you file you should get the paycheck, damages, and lawyer fees recouped.

By the way, most (not all) states consider 40 years old as an older worker (yes, only 40).  You have additional rights that could have been violated if you are over that age.  For instance, the termination has to be in writing.  Not just verbal. Given how it sounds, that is unlikely to have happened.  You'd have to consult an attorney in your state.

 
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Pretty sure businesses have a right to accept resignations (which this was) and make them effective immediately instead of waiting for the employees terms on the date.

 
flranger said:
Pretty sure businesses have a right to accept resignations (which this was) and make them effective immediately instead of waiting for the employees terms on the date.
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They can, but it is treated as a termination not as a resignation when that happens.  At least in my state.  I defacto ran 2 HR departments when I was a CFO.  You can get in a lot of trouble not honoring resignation notices properly.

 
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GOB said:
At one of my older jobs I had to come in on a weekend to run a program.

Unfortunately I wasn't fully authorized to do it. So I called my boss who was out of town. We finally figure out that the only way to do it so for me to use his login and password.

So he tells me his login. Then I say, hey what's your password?

Long pause 

He mumbles something that nobody could possibly have heard. 

I say "what I didn't hear you?"

Longest pause of my life.

"BelowJob69"

I ####### lost it. I assumed he was joking.

He was not.
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Filter ruined my story.

 
Brunell4MVP said:
They can, but it is treated as a termination not as a resignation when that happens.  At least in my state.  I defacto ran 2 HR departments when I was a CFO.  You can get in a lot of trouble not honoring resignation notices properly.
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Many states are “at will” so you can get fired at anytime for any reason......other than the normal illegal reasons to terminate someone. 

 
Brunell4MVP said:
They can, but it is treated as a termination not as a resignation when that happens.  At least in my state.  I defacto ran 2 HR departments when I was a CFO.  You can get in a lot of trouble not honoring resignation notices properly.
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That makes sense.  I would imagine as long as the company would pay until the notice date (ie, the extra two weeks in this case) they could let him just not work and still pay him, that way it qualifies as voluntary.

 
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