Agreed.Wrong forum but I wouldn't trade Henry for less than the 1.02. maybe 3 after the draft.
I would trade Henry for the 1.04 or 1.05 probably. I like this draft for RBs a lot.Wrong forum but I wouldn't trade Henry for less than the 1.02. maybe 3 after the draft.
This.I’d rather have Henry.
Side question....Henry is finally at the point you’ve been waiting for, why would you move him for a lottery ticket?
Nobody with 1.01 would do that. It's like trading LT for Brandon Jacobs. Insane.In wouldn’t trade Henry for anything less than the 1.01.
Ok.I'm a redraft guy and while everyone is thinking Gurly as the #1 RB.
My thoughts are Henry
Just curious, do you live in a state with legalized marijuana?I'm a redraft guy and while everyone is thinking Gurly as the #1 RB.
My thoughts are Henry.
I see Henry having a David Johnson 2016 type season.
Leading the league in TD's.
Only question is can he handle the work load.
1st round - disappointed. (ETA, more as a Titans fan as they have more pressing needs and RB won't be BPA at their pick)Wonder how Henry owners will feel if the Titans draft a running back in the first 3 rounds?
You can't possibly mean that.1st round - disappointed. (ETA, more as a Titans fan as they have more pressing needs and RB won't be BPA at their pick)
2nd round - less disappointed. In redraft wouldn't mean much probably, more important in dynasty.
3rd - ambivalent. If they release Murray they need another back. I'd rather they sign McKinnon but drafting a 3rd down / cop back would be fine.
Where can we find this info?If you compare just the NFL draft scores, Herry’s 6.1rating would put him 4th this year behind Barkley, Guice, and Jones. I think you also have to consider that he’s not know for catching passes so in PPR leagues you have to knock him down a bit below that as he’s more of a 2-down back.
I think hes talking the NFL.com draft ratings, which a lot of use dyno freaks would consider pretty terribleWhere can we find this info?
it ain't weed, bro, Ill tell you thatJust curious, do you live in a state with legalized marijuana?
The Titans drafting a RB isn't a big deal to Henry because they need more RBsI would seriously consider moving henry in dynasty PPR leagues. if they guy is offering 1.06, hit up the guy with the 1.03 or 1.04 and see if there is interest.
Tennessee will add a pass catching back at least, they have no depth behind Henry.
You can't possibly mean that.
This, plus I suspect Vrabel won't throw the rookie in over Henry for the majority of carries in his rookie year. He's not Mularkey so I guess we don't really know utilization but I'll bet on Henry.The Titans drafting a RB isn't a big deal to Henry because they need more RBs
Including a RB to compete for the starting jobThe Titans drafting a RB isn't a big deal to Henry because they need more RBs
I'm with you in spirit. I actually think Henry will be elite next year. While I'm not as bullish as you are due to a change in the coaching staff and roster moves yet to come, seeing Henry hit RB1 status next year looks like a reasonable gamble.jon007 said:I'm a redraft guy and while everyone is thinking Gurly as the #1 RB.
My thoughts are Henry.
I see Henry having a David Johnson 2016 type season.
Leading the league in TD's.
Only question is can he handle the work load.
Interesting comp. But Henry is nowhere near the same caliber of receiving back as DJ. TDs, maybe.jon007 said:I'm a redraft guy and while everyone is thinking Gurly as the #1 RB.
My thoughts are Henry.
I see Henry having a David Johnson 2016 type season.
Leading the league in TD's.
Only question is can he handle the work load.
Compliment doesn't mean not a very good year for Henry.Henry was used a decent amount when Ds had been worn down. Don’t get me wrong I think he’ll have a good year but Titans will draft a complement. I don’t see the monster season some seem to be projecting.
Perhaps. ...or it could be like trading Trent Richardson for Arian Foster.Alex P Keaton said:Nobody with 1.01 would do that. It's like trading LT for Brandon Jacobs. Insane.
As much as I like Henry this year, I wouldn't trade Barkley for 3 Derrick Henry's.Perhaps. ...or it could be like trading Trent Richardson for Arian Foster.
We don’t know either way.
Oh. I prefer Barkley, too, but I would not consider less than that for Henry. ...and I don’t even own Henry. Lol.As much as I like Henry this year, I wouldn't trade Barkley for 3 Derrick Henry's.
Boone22 said:If you compare just the NFL draft scores, Herry’s 6.1rating would put him 4th this year behind Barkley, Guice, and Jones. I think you also have to consider that he’s not know for catching passes so in PPR leagues you have to knock him down a bit below that as he’s more of a 2-down back.
It’s funny... I see that 6.1 grade as support of his performance to date. You cherry picked 4 guys who underperformed their grades. I’m using the 6.1 to support Henry’s performance to date and say he was the second best RB drafted in 2016 behind Zeke, who by the way graded out as a 7.0. So to me his ranking feels pretty spot on. By the way, the other guy who ranked with a 6.1 that year... Jordan Howard. Another ranking that feels about right.I just do not understand this kind of thinking. What was Trent Richardson’s pre-draft grade? CJ Spiller’s? Knowshon Moreno’s? Reggie Bush’s?
Henry is a known at the NFL level. His pre-draft grade is completely meaningless. All the incoming rookies are nothing better than speculative.
- Edited to soften the initial statement.
What is he known as exactly?Henry is a known at the NFL level.
He's known for his 3 nfl starts, all against playoff teams, in which he had 357 total yards and 2 touchdowns.What is he known as exactly?
Thanks for response but none of that is anything to do with being a "known" at the NFL level when used in the context it was used or in a fantasy context.He's known for his 3 nfl starts, all against playoff teams, in which he had 357 total yards and 2 touchdowns.
He's also known for his 286 carries for 1234 yards (4.3 yards per carry) and 24 catches for 273 (11.4 yards per reception) and 11 touchdowns in two regular seasons. He added 35 rushes for 184 yards (5.3 ypc) and a touchdown and 5 catches for 56 (11.2 ypr) in the post season.
He also is known to play behind a good o line with a mobile quarterback and a tight end who puts stress on the linebacker/safety.
And he's known for playing well against his division. He had games of 89, 92, 109, 117, and 145 yards with 4 touchdowns against Indy, Jacksonville and Houston this year, despite only starting one of those games. The other game was a horrific 6 carries for 7 yards. But even then - in 6 games he had 559 yards and 4 touchdowns which is pace for 1360/10. As a backup.
He's known for being a physical specimen who had a huge college workload, but has very low mileage in his first two seasons and could be capable of 300+ carries. In his 3 starts he had 63 carries (at 3.7 ypc) and 6 catches which is in line with a high projected workload.
He's also known for having 910 total yards and 6 touchdowns as a backup this year, on 187 total touches (176 rush, 11 rec). So if that workload increases to "just" 250 carries, that would project to about 1300/9. If it goes higher than that, his ceiling is potentially very high.
That's an interesting comparison.Thanks for response but none of that is anything to do with being a "known" at the NFL level when used in the context it was used or in a fantasy context.
He's actually less "known" than say Tevin Coleman in the NFL and people are not paying pick 6 for Tevin Coleman.
If you are investing in Henry you are in fact speculating he'll do more then he's shown, you are not paying his price for what you have seen him show, for the part that is "known".
I agree, except that is also still speculation. If Murray sticks around I’d still like Henry as a buy but not for that price. If he is indeed the guy back there and they use a 4th+ rd pick on a back up I think you could make a case for 1.03. If Murray leaves and they sign someone like Chris Thompson to be the receiving back then I think he’s closer to a late first. Likely worth the pick but it’s a little early for me to take the chance.That's an interesting comparison.
Both have 3 career starts
Coleman 265 yards, 4 touchdowns, 1 reception
Henry 357 yards, 2 touchdowns, 6 receptions
Very similar career averages
Henry 4.31 ypc and 11.38 ypr
Coleman 4.27 ypc and 12.23 ypr
Henry gets slightly more carries
Henry 286 carries in 2 years
Coleman 361 carries in 3 years
Coleman actually averages about one more touchdown per year
Henry 11 touchdowns in 2 years
Coleman 20 touchdowns in 3 years
Very similar.
I'm not sure if I'm supposed to like Coleman more or Henry less because of the comparison, but the reason I like Henry more is that he appears to be the starter going forward, and Coleman doesn't, and might never be in line to start. That's a pretty significant difference.
I’m not Meno so I can’t speak for him but since it looks like he and I are on the same side in this discussion I’ll give my opinion...I agree, except that is also still speculation. If Murray sticks around I’d still like Henry as a buy but not for that price. If he is indeed the guy back there and they use a 4th+ rd pick on a back up I think you could make a case for 1.03. If Murray leaves and they sign someone like Chris Thompson to be the receiving back then I think he’s closer to a late first. Likely worth the pick but it’s a little early for me to take the chance.
@menobrown I’m curious- with the sample size we’ve seen and making the assumption that he is the starter, do you find his game flawed? If he’s in line for a good workload, do you think he will produce or be replaced in a year? We certainly know more about him than whoever you draft at 1.06, and I think he’s shown pretty well and looks like he belongs out there. I’m curious if you don’t like Henry or simply think the value is skewed.
It’s funny... I see that 6.1 grade as support of his performance to date. You cherry picked 4 guys who underperformed their grades. I’m using the 6.1 to support Henry’s performance to date and say he was the second best RB drafted in 2016 behind Zeke, who by the way graded out as a 7.0. So to me his ranking feels pretty spot on. By the way, the other guy who ranked with a 6.1 that year... Jordan Howard. Another ranking that feels about right.
Now if you are saying the incoming rookies could flame out spectacularly and miss their current NFL grades, I can’t disagree with that... poop happens. But saying there are potentially 3-4 rookies in this draft who “could” outperform him isn’t all that far fetched. Especially in PPR leagues where Henry hasn’t exactly been a reception machine.
What is he known as exactly?
And apparently you’re completely missing my point, which is fine. I’m not going to get into a message board argument. We can agree to disagree and move on.Thanks for not answering the questions asked, and further for completely either missing or dodging the point.
And as to “cherry picking”, that’s just under half of the top picks at RB when a RB was taken in the upper half of the first round since 2006. You know, can’t-miss type guys. I can post a lot more names if we want to widen those parameters a bit.
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I just threw Coleman's name out as someone who has been similarly productive on a per touch basis to address to some degree the "known" part of this equation. In both cases those RB's have had some level of success when pressed to be the starter, but we still don't know if any of them are complementary RB's.I'm not sure if I'm supposed to like Coleman more or Henry less because of the comparison, but the reason I like Henry more is that he appears to be the starter going forward, and Coleman doesn't, and might never be in line to start. That's a pretty significant difference.
Yes I do find his game flawed. Some positives as well with main one being his size/speed combo makes him as dangerous as any RB in the NFL if he can get in space or to second level of defense and maintain his build up speed.@menobrown I’m curious- with the sample size we’ve seen and making the assumption that he is the starter, do you find his game flawed? If he’s in line for a good workload, do you think he will produce or be replaced in a year? We certainly know more about him than whoever you draft at 1.06, and I think he’s shown pretty well and looks like he belongs out there. I’m curious if you don’t like Henry or simply think the value is skewed.
Titans agreed to terms with RB Dion Lewis, formerly of the Patriots, on a four-year contract.I’m not Meno so I can’t speak for him but since it looks like he and I are on the same side in this discussion I’ll give my opinion...
Based on my comments above I see him valued right around 1.05-1.06 based on the unknowns. I can’t see giving up the 1.03 or earlier as some people have mentioned. My reasons being...
1) We don’t know how much he’ll be used in the passing game going forward. With the new coaching staff and him not having a big resume when it comes to receptions that makes me a bit leary of him in PPR leagues.
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2) We don’t know whether Tenn will bring someone else in through the draft or Free Agency.
I guess I just can’t see spending MORE than the 1.06 at this point in time. If you are willing to give up more to get him why not wait until after the draft to see how things shake out. I don’t see his value increasing (beyond the 1.02-1.03) so why spend that now when there are still a bunch of unknowns.
I think a potentially good comparison to Henry is Jordan Howard. What do people feel his value is in rookie picks? I think Henry could become a slightly better Howard if he becomes the unquestioned starter and everything falls just right.
I'm a redraft guy and while everyone is thinking Gurly as the #1 RB.
My thoughts are Henry.
I see Henry having a David Johnson 2016 type season.
Leading the league in TD's.
Only question is can he handle the work load.
i think they were always going to bring in a 3rd down receiving back. Henry should still get most of the early down carries and goal line work.Titans agreed to terms with RB Dion Lewis, formerly of the Patriots, on a four-year contract.
The Derrick Henry bellcow status lasted for all of five days. The Titans released DeMarco Murray last Thursday and add the more talented Lewis to pair with Henry in what will likely be a backfield tough to figure out at times in 2018. Lewis is by no means just a pass-down back, as he proved late last season when he carried the Patriots' offense on his back. He can bang it between the tackles in addition to excelling in the pass game. Lewis is the latest in a long line of former ex-Patriots to head to Nashville. This will be a backfield to watch closely.
This is exactly why I said this type of trade should wait until after the draft...