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He is pretty much saying water is wet. NFL QB is the most important position in all of sports. While I don’t like the new rules, I completely understand them and why they’re here. The game is simply better when the starting QB’s are playing.
At least he's saying it in pretty frank terms that resonate 100% true with me.
At this point? No, it's not.
Given the choice you would pick the starter, over the back up, 100% of the time. It’s a WAY better game with the starting QB’s, there’s no debating it.
The point isn't that starting QBs are better than backups.
So players should just quit on a play because they know they are near the sidelines/endlines. Glad I never had to play a sport with someone with that thinking.Or; and I know this is crazy, but maybe players could pay attention to where the wall is, since the chances of the wall jumping out of their way is slim.
As was said in last night’s game thread, there are hints:
• did you run over a series of thick white stripes?
• when looking up for the ball did you see a long yellow goal-post shaped pole above you?
• did you run past a group of photographers?
Yeah - might wanna look out for that wall at that point.
Weird how you quoted me, yet somehow asserted I said something I never said.
All rule changes do, then players and teams adapt and all is well. This will be no different.
How long do you think it takes to "put on the breaks?" The end zone wall is not close.
Big oversimplification, IMHO. There is a difference in my eyes of, say, moving the ball back or requiring ST to be stationary on kickoffs to fundamentally changing the way a defensive player has been conditioned, trained, and coached since Pee Wee in terms of basic technique/approach and actually holding back on plays for fear of being flagged.
No you didn’t say those exact words but that’s how I read it. I got slow down and watch where your going instead of trying to make the play. I think they do mostly stay awhere of where they are on the field but if your in a sprint and catch the ball with just enough room to get 2 feet down that wall is going to show up very fast. Players shouldn’t have to worry abt it. Are the walls actually getting that close idk, haven’t really seen that much abt it yet. Also how many times does a play like the one I describe happen, probably not much, they do usually have time to slow down but the point is there. They want to keep players safe, most notably QBs, but have other stuff that can hurt other positionsWeird how you quoted me, yet somehow asserted I said something I never said.
how is that even possible? You quoted me, and that statement, sentiment or even basic concept appears literally nowhere in the quoted text.
You’re right, and I agree; players shouldn’t quit on a play.
But players should absolutely have field awareness & awareness of their surroundings.
walls don’t jump out in front of players. Players run into walls.
they usually don’t make that mistake a 2nd time.
last night’s play was an example of a player losing focus and forgetting his surroundings - it was dumb, and it was his fault.
Sure, he gave it his all - he never quit on the play. But once you know it’s an uncatchable ball going out of the back of the end zone, yes - absolutely “give up” on that play, because only an idiot or a golden retriever chases a ball off of a cliff. And I’d have more sympathy for the dog, because a human should know better.
smart football means having awareness of surroundings. That wasn’t the NFL’s fault.
It’s not like the walls are at different distances like on baseball fields. In football even if they added an extra row or two of seats, the walls are the walls.
It's not like we are talking about starting vs backup QBs in a vacuum.
I’m not talking abt non catchable balls, I’m more thinking offensive players trying to catch a TD where the ball was placed at the back of the end zone and their focused on catching it and scoring not worrying abt making sure they aren’t gonna run into a wall if they can’t slow down while catching the ball.
That’s not what happened last night though. And it’s not what has happened on any play this season so far.
These players are capable of change. Some will come around slower than others and you're just seeing the adjustment period now. I'm sure they'll tweak the rule a bit or adjust the way it's called as well.
I only mentioned the starters versus the back up to give insight into why the rule exists. It's really as simple as what Sherman said--they only really care about protecting QB's.
So then give em flags! These penalties are affecting outcomes and causing injuries of their own.
Didn’t know we were only talking abt what happened last night. I didn’t get to watch the game so not even sure what happened. I think it is easier for the offensive player to know where the boundaries since they are running a certain route whereas the defender is focused on not getting burned so could lose track of where they are easier. so not surprised if it was a non catchable ball that the receiver stopped short whereas the defender I’m guessing was more watching the receiver/ball. I understand the wall isn’t right behind the endline and I can’t run 18 mph so I don’t know how long it takes to slow down at a dead sprint while focusing on catching a ball so maybe it’s not a huge problem. But like the OP said why up your safety while at the same time making it where someone might end up crashing into a wall when they weren’t trying too. I honestly don’t pay attention enough to really know how far the stands are away from the endline and if they are actually moving them closer or not but if they are it could cause safety concerns.That’s not what happened last night though. And it’s not what has happened on any play this season so far.
And if the ball is thrown to the exact back of the Endzone, the wall is far enough behind that that anyone should have enough time to slow up and avoid running into it. On the play last night, the wide receiver knew where the wall was. He slow down in time.
You’re talking as though this is arena football and they have no means to avoid going into the wall.
I’m not sure what this has to do with your initial response to me talking about players not giving up on plays.
I think that's close to what happened on Drew Brees' first rushing TD against the Falcons Sunday. Both defenders were in a position to blow Brees up, but their recognition of "Can't blow up the QB!" -- even though he was outside the pocket and was a runner -- seemed to come into play.
You obviously did not watch that play in real time. The pass was so far out of the end zone, I bet that defender would've stayed stride for stride with the WR another 50 yards. He went full on #######. The wall did it's job.
Bingo.
Guess you haven't seen the Kenny Stills TD on Sunday. Watch that play and tell us that the wall is fine where it is.That’s not what happened last night though. And it’s not what has happened on any play this season so far.
And if the ball is thrown to the exact back of the Endzone, the wall is far enough behind that that anyone should have enough time to slow up and avoid running into it. On the play last night, the wide receiver knew where the wall was. He slow down in time.
You’re talking as though this is arena football and they have no means to avoid going into the wall.
I’m not sure what this has to do with your initial response to me talking about players not giving up on plays.
Didn't a player file a claim a while back when there was concrete too close to the field causing him to skid on his cleats into a wall?Or; and I know this is crazy, but maybe players could pay attention to where the wall is, since the chances of the wall jumping out of their way is slim.
As was said in last night’s game thread, there are hints:
• did you run over a series of thick white stripes?
• when looking up for the ball did you see a long yellow goal-post shaped pole above you?
• did you run past a group of photographers?
Yeah - might wanna look out for that wall at that point.
This part I’m in agreement with. The overcorrections by the NFL over the years have uniformly made things worse.
I thought it was the white mat at the sideline. But yeah, I do remember that. That’s a bit different, and was seemingly negligent of the NFL.
Just because players can adapt doesn't mean that that adaptation means it's better for the game.
It was JPP (they didn't wave off the penalty) and Ben said on his radio show today that although he may have embellished it a little to get the ref's attention, it was the hand that JPP wears a cast on so it did ring his bell. Of course, knowing Ben the drama queen, that probably will put him into concussion protocols tomorrow.
And we are still too early in the process to know if it is or not. As I said previously, there's have been a lot of changes recently and almost every one reads the same and after some time no one cares anymore. This (IMHO) will be no different and we can all get ready to hate the next change in 2019
Let's agree to disagree. The kind of calls I am seeing that are deciding key parts of the game, if not the potential outcome, disrupting momentum, causing delays and confusion, and the general non-clarity of the line between legal hit and a flag, is clearly (IMHO) worse for the game.
You know what's a watered down product? Watching Deshon Kizer air mail the ball 12 feet out of bounds time and again while Aaron Rodgers watches on from a stretcher.
That is really close in that stadium I agree.
Yeah that was the one I saw live that made me immediately think along the lines of the original poster.
Ok, yeah - you have a point there. That’s ridiculously close. Arena-league-esque.
