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RB Darrel Williams - Arizona (3 Viewers)
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JoeyJoJoJuniorShabadoo
Footballguy
For middle of the season help this works for me!
Let's see how this pans out for us.
I can't say this wasn't a mistake, but impossible to really predict long term use for either of these guys given the backfields they are in.
At the very least, one is on the upswing (Williams, given he may be involved at least one more week if Shady/DWill can't go) and one is on the downswing (Mostert, with Coleman returning and Mostert's carries should by all likelihood go down).
"Chiefs RB Darrel Williams is new 'Mr. Consistent' on offense"
https://chiefswire.usatoday.com/2019/09/25/kansas-city-chiefs-rb-darrel-williams-is-new-mr-consistent-on-offense/amp/?__twitter_impression=true
https://chiefswire.usatoday.com/2019/09/25/kansas-city-chiefs-rb-darrel-williams-is-new-mr-consistent-on-offense/amp/?__twitter_impression=true
LawFitz
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Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
I won’t wish injury on anyone, but if shady and Dwill want to take the next few weeks off and get healthy, I sure wouldn’t mind.
As die hard fans were oppressed having to look at 40 times lol. How the #### do they not strictly go off MPH in the college game?! This dude ran a 4.66 - 4.71 40 time. The NFL is disgraceful. Can’t put a little money into new tech for athletic measurables.
As somebody who owns Barkley and Ekeler and just picked up this guy, I'm all for it.
rschroeder1
Footballguy
Not to get off subject but I find the over-reliance on 40 times and Combine stats to be an excellent inefficiency to capitalize on in dynasty/keeper leagues. Keep it going!
tackle for loss
Footballguy
The combine isnt just about workouts, I assume some NFL teams care more about tape and they use technology.
We are not in the room, we dont know what teams do, but I would guess the combine is more about teams meeting players and watching them work out as well as checking out health concerns.
I get the feeling Andy really likes this kid.
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Football Jones
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To be fair, you could say game speed is a combination of the 40 & MPH. Darrel's 40 is no doubt affected by not being as quick as other RBs, but his long speed seems more than respectable.
In general, the 40 is an overvalued metric. It has its place, but they should do it in pads with a helmet on, preferably while carrying a ball. Running it in what is essentially track gear is a joke. Some guys just carry the equipment/ball better.
In general, the 40 is an overvalued metric. It has its place, but they should do it in pads with a helmet on, preferably while carrying a ball. Running it in what is essentially track gear is a joke. Some guys just carry the equipment/ball better.
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Stompin' Tom Connors
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Since you got us off-topic...
Completely agree, and I think it extends to the institution of the combine in general.
Seems combine was instituted in the days where data and consistency of collecting it were absent, so the combine put everyone in the same place subject to the same conditions under more controllable circumstances. From that standpoint, totally get the purpose.
But even still, the reliability on these measurables are simply indicators, not proof of future performance, and I have no idea if there are studies that prove correlation of better combine scores equaling better overall performance (there is certainly a correlation between combine and draft position).
The rise of so many great players who weren't invited to the combine, didn't qualify as they came from unheard-of-programs, UDFAs coming out of the blue (or even out of other sports) to be studs seems to me to also be directional in showing the combine really isn't the best gauge of how a player might fare in the NFL.
Stompin' Tom Connors
Footballguy
And oh yeah, Choo f'n Choo Darrel!
SaintsInDome2006
Footballguy
Obviously who knows what’s happening but what I could see develop is McCoy continue to be the run/pass swing guy for the early part and Darrell come in to close and ease up on Shady. Win/win.
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SaintsInDome2006
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I genuinely hope Damien is *ok* because this is his *one shot to be a big time player in the league.
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TartanLion
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Tough one. Own him in dynasty, which is great. Re-draft is tough though. Picked him up today, dropping my kicker so someone will need to go before the weekend. I’m almost considering Breida because I just have a feeling about Darrel, and I can’t see anyway that Breida takes over a larger role this season. Darrel’s ceiling could be huge if Damien is injury bitten
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kittenmittens
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Nice. I knew he looked shot out of a cannon on that play. I looked at his speed metrics and thought I must be mistaken, but next Gen stats is here to validate my assumptions
I did this myself. Maybe I get lucky after the bye and get him back. Maybe I don’t need to worry about it because of what happens with Darrel. We’ll see!
kittenmittens
Footballguy
Max MPH is very deceiving too. It doesn't measure as long of a burst. Wind can also be a factor like with sprinting. Players also get "pushed" by defenders and teammates.
kittenmittens
Footballguy
The committee that picks combine invitees could improve... I'll say that...
Agree on the ‘max’ of MPH. I just think it’s even BS they restrict next gen stats. Why not make it available to have a full catalog of touch MPH? People would be able to average it out by position, by weight, by height... heck even could do wind direction and other weather conditions as factors. Go crazy just like we’re able to do with everything else that’s ever been introduced statistically.
Chaka
Footballguy
I would like to see Dwill take a couple weeks off but I don't want to see Dwill take a couple weeks off.
Actually so long as Dwill takes a couple weeks off, I'm good.
Chaka
Footballguy
The NFL is putting a ton of money into advanced metrics. NCAAF isn't because...not enough money? Okay, more likely there is no RoI for the NCAA, so maybe they want the NFL to subsidize that investment?
Chaka
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Chaka
Footballguy
Breida is getting 15 touches/game. He got 15 when Coleman was in the lineup and 13 & 17 without Coleman. I think he's a lock for that volume. More importantly he is maximizing his opps, 5.5 per rush and 9.3 per reception. It seems like every time I see him touch the ball he's gashing defenses for 10+ yards.
And Shanahan's offense is historically RB friendly. I think most likely of us remember how Reid seemed to always just not quite maximize what we thought Brian Westbrook could produce.
I like the KC backfield but, until we get clarity on Damien I'm going with Breida without question. Coleman's return isn't going to impact his workload in the least.
kittenmittens
Footballguy
Stompin' Tom Connors
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rockaction
Footballguy
Wasn't it Hipple, Long, Ware, and Peete or something like that? I saw a lot of him in those old threads when I first got here.
flapgreen
Footballguy
Ministry of Pain
Footballguy
And the Cone of Uncertainty begins Week 4...things impacting the direction and strength of this storm include Damien Williams bone bruise reports, Shady McCoy's on and off again lower leg injuries typically involving knees and ankles which most 31 yr old RBs tend to have, and of course what Andy Reid had for breakfast.
I think Damien's performance and production thus far would be a big factor but it seems to be glossed over.
I think Damien's performance and production thus far would be a big factor but it seems to be glossed over.
rockaction
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Stompin' Tom Connors
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Ministry of Pain
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Actually I was thinking about the 9 carries 8 yds...but I like the way you're looking at it much better. Let's focus on how productive this guy was this past Sunday vs 22 carries 34 yds on the season.
rockaction
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barackdhouse
Footballguy
Ok I picked him up in a handful of spots. White star please.
Chaka
Footballguy
rockaction
Footballguy
I guess my point is more so they act afraid of it. Why post JUST the max MPH? What is there to hide? Let people see the metrics and work out the correlation. There is this weird culture in the league where the smart teams don’t complain about it because they get the edge from these types of blind spots and the ####ty teams don’t ##### about it because they don’t know it’s a blind spot.
kittenmittens
Footballguy
The crappy teams still make most of the money of a good team due to the TV deals, so winning isn't really that big of an incentive?
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Cowboysfan8
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flapgreen
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TheWinz
Footballguy
This is fantasy football, you buzzkill. In the words of a famous American, " I have a dream".
Chaka
Footballguy
I don't see him becoming the feature back but I also don't think Damien Williams had as much of hammerlock on the feature back role as many of us thought this off-season. My guess is if McCoy had not been signed Darrell would be getting 12-15 touches/game all along with the possibility of flipping his role with Damien.
I think it is still possible, greater than 1%, that Darrell passes Damien and/or McCoy on the depth chart. Particularly as Darrell seems to be the only legitimate hammer on the team.
Cowboysfan8
Footballguy
Chaka
Footballguy
I am not sure I get your point. I am 100% certain that every NFL team has complete access to all of the data from these new "Next Gen" stats they are tracking (and touting in commercials).
Is your issue that they are not providing the raw data to the public? Or is it they aren't working, as far as we know, to bring these metrics to the college game?
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