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Dynasty & Redraft: QB Dwayne Haskins, Redskins

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2 hours ago, Andy Dufresne said:

Yeah, at this point I'm pretty sure any mock that doesn't have Murray & Haskins both in the top 6 is wrong.

I agree.  Funny to see this type of mock getting posted the day after his Pro Day:

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NFL Media analyst Lance Zierlein projects the Miami Dolphins to select Ohio State QB Dwayne Haskins with the 13th pick in his latest 2019 NFL Mock Draft.

We wonder if this mock was set before Haskins had his Pro Day, if only because he received such positive reports from that afternoon. That being said, there's no obvious fit for Haskins if the Giants do pass on him with the sixth pick. "We already know the king of the bridge quarterbacks is in place and waiting to start for the Dolphins (Ryan Fitzpatrick)," writes Zierlein, "but he would also be an excellent choice to help mentor the future at the position." We can't imagine the Dolphins would pass on Haskins if he's still on the board.

SOURCE: NFL.com

Mar 21, 2019, 11:40 AM

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Mock drafters don't seem too keen on predicting trades, but they happen every year.  Those teams in the teens know they need to get in front of the Giants to select Haskins. 

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16 minutes ago, Grahamburn said:

Mock drafters don't seem too keen on predicting trades, but they happen every year.  Those teams in the teens know they need to get in front of the Raiders to select Haskins. 

fixed. dont put it past the Raiders to take Haskins. Even TB. Teams 4, 5, 6 ,7, 10, 11 all could use a young/future qb...

 

This is amazing news for the Jets 

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23 minutes ago, Dr. Dan said:

fixed. dont put it past the Raiders to take Haskins. Even TB. Teams 4, 5, 6 ,7, 10, 11 all could use a young/future qb...

 

This is amazing news for the Jets 

Tampa isn't taking him. 

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On 3/20/2019 at 11:00 AM, Faust said:

CBS Sports' Jason La Canfora reports the Redskins are "very much intrigued" by Ohio State QB Dwayne Haskins.

The Jets at No. 3 overall are reportedly open for business and would be more than willing to trade out of that spot after landing Sam Darnold last year. The Redskins are said to be one of the prime candidates to come up should Kyler Murray and Nick Bosa go Nos. 1 and 2 in the draft. Washington's quarterback situation is bleak with Case Keenum and Colt McCoy on year-by-year deals and Alex Smith (leg) unlikely to play again. The Skins would seemingly have to leap the Raiders and Giants at Nos. 4 and 6 overall for a chance at Haskins.

As a Raider fan, this would be my absolute dream situation. Land Allen and don't look back.

8 hours ago, Dr. Dan said:

dont put it past the Raiders to take Haskins.

As a Raider fan, this would be my absolute nightmare situation. Burn my jerseys and don't look back.

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Gruden has never had much interest in grooming a rookie QB unless it was out of necessity. 

The guy passed up Aaron Rodgers so he could start Bruce Gradkowski and Luke McCown. 

He’s also never been on a ten year contract though. Maybe he learned his lesson in 2005?

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Justin‏ @afc2nfc

I think it’s kinda backwards. McLaurin and Campbell catching fire while ppl seem to be cooling on Haskins. Those WRs weren’t QB makers. Both played extensively as juniors but neither really broke out until they had a high end passer

6:10 AM - 26 Mar 2019

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Ohio State QB Dwayne Haskins is the top-rated QB on Mel Kiper Jr.'s big board.

Haskins is ranked fifth, one spot ahead of Oklahoma QB and Heisman Trophy winner Kyler Murray. "Haskins never gets rattled, and he excels in big moments," Kiper wrote in his analysis. "He's far from a finished product, but his high ceiling flashes on tape." While the Buckeye may not be in the conversation with Murray when it comes to possibilities for Arizona (first overall pick), he is projected to go at some point in the top half of Round 1. The Giants (6th overall), Broncos (10th) and Dolphins (13th) are three teams with a quarterback need to address that will be drafting in that range.

SOURCE: ESPN.com

Mar 28, 2019, 9:05 AM

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I didn't realize the Ravens had only 1 pick in the first 84.

It seems that DeCosta and Harbs are targeting WR with their first round pick and they want a guy who can come in right away and be an effective blocker.

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General manager Eric DeCosta said earlier this week that he didn't see free agency as a way to help the Ravens at wide receiver this year. He believes the best way is the draft, but Baltimore currently has just one of the first 84 picks this year.

Harbaugh agreed that the transition for wide receivers from college to the NFL is a difficult one because of the nuances of running routes and the difficulty to get open against more talented cornerbacks. But ...

"There’s always a rookie or two every year that proves it wrong," Harbaugh said. "I think hopefully we’ll get that rookie."

 

Oops wrong thread.  

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13 hours ago, Faust said:

That one was dated a bit.

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By: Evan Thorpe and Steven Ruiz | February 27, 2019 1:51 pm

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I checked the date after they mentioned him going to the Giants with OBJ.

I like Haskins.  He reads fronts and has a good feel for pressure, he is able to go through progressions and can buy time with his knowledge of the game.  

The bar is low but he is the best OSU QB prospect and I think he makes it in the NFL.  His ceiling is low because he has no mobility but he is going to surprise people IMHO.

 

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2 hours ago, Bracie Smathers said:

That one was dated a bit.

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By: Evan Thorpe and Steven Ruiz | February 27, 2019 1:51 pm

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I checked the date after they mentioned him going to the Giants with OBJ.

I like Haskins.  He reads fronts and has a good feel for pressure, he is able to go through progressions and can buy time with his knowledge of the game.  

The bar is low but he is the best OSU QB prospect and I think he makes it in the NFL.  His ceiling is low because he has no mobility but he is going to surprise people IMHO.

 

You are correct that the article was originally published a little over one month ago; however, I thought that there was still some value in posting the link as the evaluations that they made of Haskins as a quarterback prospect from their film study were interesting.

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Todd Haley is not a fan.

https://www.si.com/nfl/2019/04/02/film-room-scouting-report-dwayne-haskins-ohio-state

COACH: Todd Haley
Former Head Coach, Kansas City Chiefs; Offensive Coordinator, Cleveland Browns, Pittsburgh Steelers, Arizona Cardinals

Strengths: Size, short accuracy, quick release, quick passing game, level of competition, protects the ball.

Weaknesses: Deep accuracy, don’t see many NFL throws, one-year starter, doesn’t see coverage, all shotgun, average athlete, can’t extend plays, minus runner, below-average drops/footwork

Player Comp: Jacoby Brissett.

Ideal landing spot: A west coast offense—progression passing game

Can he be a starter in 2019?: I would bet against him starting early. He had arguably best offensive line in college football, and a good supporting cast with a proven system. I believe the jump to the NFL will be a big one for him and he will be game manager-type early. I just didn’t see enough NFL throws on tape. And so much success was created by the system. He has shown the baseline skill set to be a successful one-year starter in college against a high level of competition, he shows very good short accuracy and the ability to be a progression passer. However he lacks downfield accuracy on tape and I don’t see him make many NFL throws. So it will take time and development.

Potential to become a franchise QB: I just didn’t see enough big-time plays to get real excited about him.

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21 minutes ago, LAUNCH said:

can’t extend plays

Disagree with Haley and others who parrot this sentiment.

He extends plays due to his pre-snap reads of fronts and recognizing pressure.  THAT extends a play before it begins and after it begins he has ability to side-step and step-up in the pocket to avoid pressure.  

Haley and others are being very pedantic in only thinking a QB can extend plays with superior athleticism or by being physical.  Tom Brady isn't mobile or athletic or physically imposing but he has the ability to extend plays and so does Haskins.   

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Draft Analyst's Tony Pauline reports that the Oakland Raiders spent "extensive" time with Ohio State QB Dwayne Haskins on Monday and worked him out on Tuesday.

Recent reports from Ian Rapoport stated that the Raiders are "evaluating Haskins and Oklahoma QB Kyler Murray against Derek Carr." Seems like Oakland is going deep in that evaluation. The Raiders have three first-round picks, but if they're going to get Haskins, it seems extremely likely they'd need to use that fourth pick on the Ohio State signal-caller. This is going to be an interesting final three-plus weeks, as it appears that the quarterback class is gaining momentum.

SOURCE: Tony Pauline on Twitter

Apr 2, 2019, 4:56 PM

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I just saw this guy listed at 220. If he's 220, I'll have thirty meals of what he's having, please.  

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Crap, dude may not even last to the Giants. A lot of smoke coming up that teams are interested in leapfrogging into the Top 5 for Haskins.

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4 minutes ago, The Frankman said:

Crap, dude may not even last to the Giants. A lot of smoke coming up that teams are interested in leapfrogging into the Top 5 for Haskins.

That would be so awesome. The Jets could just sit and smile about that. That's right, we'll take your one and your two, thanks. We'll just get nice and deep on defense.  

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32 minutes ago, The Frankman said:

Crap, dude may not even last to the Giants. A lot of smoke coming up that teams are interested in leapfrogging into the Top 5 for Haskins.

No way the Giants select a QB at 6th.  They are locked in one of DL guys.    Perhaps the 17th pick or 2nd round.  Heard Giants are interested in Lock .

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1 hour ago, stlrams said:

No way the Giants select a QB at 6th.  They are locked in one of DL guys.    Perhaps the 17th pick or 2nd round.  Heard Giants are interested in Lock .

I don’t totally buy this, but I don’t think it’s going to matter.  Due to the importance of finding a franchise QB, I’m going to be pretty surprised if Haskins is still available at 6.  

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4 minutes ago, SayWhat? said:

I don’t totally buy this, but I don’t think it’s going to matter.  Due to the importance of finding a franchise QB, I’m going to be pretty surprised if Haskins is still available at 6.  

One question, though: At what point, when you decide he might or might not be a franchise guy, do you take him because of the importance of the position?  I think that's the rub, really. And I think a lot of teams sink their fortunes into somebody who isn't that great and wind up stinted for a few years because of it.    

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1 minute ago, rockaction said:

One question, though: At what point, when you decide he might or might not be a franchise guy, do you take him because of the importance of the position?  I think that's the rub, really. And I think a lot of teams sink their fortunes into somebody who isn't that great and wind up stinted for a few years because of it.    

Absolutely they do.  I don’t have an answer about “at what point you take him,” but I’d argue that if you feel more strongly than not that someone like Haskins can be that guy, that you take him and pray like hell.  Sure it can stick a team into a bit of rebuild purgatory when you miss, but if you hit ala Watson or Mahommes then you’re in the hunt for a decade.  

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2 minutes ago, SayWhat? said:

Absolutely they do.  I don’t have an answer about “at what point you take him,” but I’d argue that if you feel more strongly than not that someone like Haskins can be that guy, that you take him and pray like hell.  Sure it can stick a team into a bit of rebuild purgatory when you miss, but if you hit ala Watson or Mahommes then you’re in the hunt for a decade.  

As for the bolded -- absolutely. Hitting on Watson and Mahomes took some real foresight. My team, the Jets, took a safety before Mahomes. He's great, but oof.

Anyway, I agree with your assessment that Haskins won't last very long. I think somebody moves up to get him, too.  

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1 hour ago, SayWhat? said:

I don’t totally buy this, but I don’t think it’s going to matter.  Due to the importance of finding a franchise QB, I’m going to be pretty surprised if Haskins is still available at 6.  

I agree with Rockaction - all the QB's this year are way overvalued.  Therefore, the NYG will draft BPA at 6 thus no QB. 

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3 minutes ago, stlrams said:

I agree with Rockaction - all the QB's this year are way overvalued.  Therefore, the NYG will draft BPA at 6 thus no QB. 

QBs will always be overvalued if the NFL remains pass happy.  

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4 minutes ago, DocHolliday said:

QBs will always be overvalued if the NFL remains pass happy.  

Yeah but NYG are notorious for BPA approach to draft so they will not reach IMHO.  Leave it to the other teams to trade up.

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1 hour ago, rockaction said:

My team, the Jets, took a safety before Mahomes. He's great, but oof.

They passed on Watson also in that same draft.

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26 minutes ago, stlrams said:

Yeah but NYG are notorious for BPA approach to draft so they will not reach IMHO. 

I don’t know how you can legitimately make this assessment of the NY Giants.  Maybe they are notorious for BPA for every position sans QB, but I don’t know how you can assess if that holds true at QB considering they haven’t needed one for fifteen years.  But that franchise is nearing the point where they need a QB, and by default QB is almost never truely the BPA at any point in the draft.  So at some stage if you want a franchise QB, you’re going to have to forgo the better “football player” and gamble on the QB.  

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4 hours ago, rockaction said:

That would be so awesome. The Jets could just sit and smile about that. That's right, we'll take your one and your two, thanks. We'll just get nice and deep on defense.  

Right back at you from Oakland.  I'll take whoever is left of Bosa and Allen.

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2 minutes ago, SayWhat? said:

I don’t know how you can legitimately make this assessment of the NY Giants.  Maybe they are notorious for BPA for every position sans QB, but I don’t know how you can assess if that holds true at QB considering they haven’t needed one for fifteen years.  But that franchise is nearing the point where they need a QB, and by default QB is almost never truely the BPA at any point in the draft.  So at some stage if you want a franchise QB, you’re going to have to forgo the better “football player” and gamble on the QB.  

I believe the Giants would have cut Eli and not pay him roster bonus if they are committed to drafting QB especially at 6.  This tells me they are not in love with any of the QB's but could draft one at 17 or 2nd round...

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58 minutes ago, Dr. Octopus said:

They passed on Watson also in that same draft.

And during that same pre-draft process there were a lot of negatives being brought up about those players.  If you need a QB, and there's one available who looks like he can play even at an average level, you should take them every time. 

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3 hours ago, stlrams said:

Yeah but NYG are notorious for BPA approach to draft so they will not reach IMHO.  Leave it to the other teams to trade up.

To be fair, BPA was mainly attributed to Jerry Reese; a guy who was notorious for reaching. I don't think any Giants fan knows what Gettleman's MO is (including me), and it's made worse because many of the Giants talent evaluators didn't come with Gettleman, they're from other regimes (Coughlin and McAdoo). So it's a lot of different philosophies trying to coalesce.

 

Also, there's no way Lock lasts until 17. Giants are either in on Haskins, trading for Rosen, or they're not getting a QB.

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2 minutes ago, The Frankman said:

To be fair, BPA was mainly attributed to Jerry Reese; a guy who was notorious for reaching. I don't think any Giants fan knows what Gettleman's MO is (including me), and it's made worse because many of the Giants talent evaluators didn't come with Gettleman, they're from other regimes (Coughlin and McAdoo). So it's a lot of different philosophies trying to coalesce.

Thought the bpa started with George young.  

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Takes to long to read the defense.   Might turn out to be good but he is going to get drafted high and more than likely thrown to the wolves, he'll fail.  If given time to develop could be really good.

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1 hour ago, bucksoh said:

Takes to long to read the defense.   Might turn out to be good but he is going to get drafted high and more than likely thrown to the wolves, he'll fail.  If given time to develop could be really good.

For most of the teams he's mocked to, he'd sit a year (Giants, Washington)

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18 hours ago, SayWhat? said:

I don’t know how you can legitimately make this assessment of the NY Giants.  Maybe they are notorious for BPA for every position sans QB, but I don’t know how you can assess if that holds true at QB considering they haven’t needed one for fifteen years.  But that franchise is nearing the point where they need a QB, and by default QB is almost never truely the BPA at any point in the draft.  So at some stage if you want a franchise QB, you’re going to have to forgo the better “football player” and gamble on the QB.  

This.:goodposting:

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NBC Sports' Peter King hears Ohio State QB Dwayne Haskins is "sinking" and "may be the fourth passer picked in this draft."

NFL.com draft analyst Lance Zierlein had a similar report over the weekend, writing Haskins' perceived draft stock has been "more media created than team driven." Expected to be the second quarterback off the board behind Oklahoma's Kyler Murray for most of the process, it now appears as if Missouri's Drew Lock and Duke's Daniel Jones have a real shot of jumping Haskins on draft day. It would be a surprise if all four are not selected on Day 1.

SOURCE: Football Morning in America

Apr 8, 2019, 8:10 AM

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In his latest mock draft, The Athletic's Dane Brugler pegged Ohio State QB Dwayne Haskins to the Cincinnati Bengals with the No. 11 pick.

This pick has started to see a little momentum in mock drafts, as NFL Media's Charles Davis likewise projected Haskins to the Bengals in his own early April mock draft. Haskins has long been linked to the New York Giants (in rumor if nothing else), but it's possible that New York passes on him to focus on another position before later taking a quarterback with the No. 17 pick. Brugler, for instance, mocks them Duke's Daniel Jones with that latter pick.

SOURCE: The Athletic

Apr 8, 2019, 10:43 AM

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8 hours ago, JohnnyU said:

NBC Sports' Peter King hears Ohio State QB Dwayne Haskins is "sinking" and "may be the fourth passer picked in this draft."

NFL.com draft analyst Lance Zierlein had a similar report over the weekend, writing Haskins' perceived draft stock has been "more media created than team driven." Expected to be the second quarterback off the board behind Oklahoma's Kyler Murray for most of the process, it now appears as if Missouri's Drew Lock and Duke's Daniel Jones have a real shot of jumping Haskins on draft day. It would be a surprise if all four are not selected on Day 1.

SOURCE: Football Morning in America

Apr 8, 2019, 8:10 AM

Peter king is ungood....

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