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I watched a couple cut ups of his recently and there was an interception off of a drop that hits his hands. He tries to high point thr ball and there is some contact but it goes right into the safeties hands for an interception.
I think he has good vision on screens but needs the blockers. Once he has a lane he’s gone. He might be shifty, who knows? Most of his plays he doesn’t have anyone in front of him left to juke.
His hands will be the biggest hurdle for him. They are small and he might struggle with contested catches. If he isn't able to separate than he's not going to pan out. Luckily he has the speed to get space. I won't worry much about one INT off his hands, we could probably find a clip of half the WRs in the NFL who have had the same thing happen. Coming into the draft Julio's big knock was that he didn't have good hands.
If Arizona ends up with Murray, I think that would be a great landing spot for Isabella.
Depends on if it’s where I have them now or where I had them last year. I would say AJ Brown and N’Keal Harry would be in a tier with Moore, Kirk and Sutton, then Isabella and a few others would be in a tier with Ridley, Washington, Gallup, Coutee and Pettis. I’m not a fan of Ridley (age/market share concerns) and Pettis (BMI).
I'd put him 3rd behind Ridley and Washington. I'd have him just ahead of Moore, because I consider Newton to be a limiting factor on WR's, where as Ryan and Roethlisberger have proven with multiple guys that they are not. They'd all be in the same tier though, which would also include Metcalf, Arcega-Whiteside, and both AJ and Hollywood Brown from this draft.
As a prospect, I'd have 2 WR's (Ridley and Gallup) from last years class ahead of Isabella. Seems about right. Hard to say exactly since my groupings were not consistent over the past couple years though.
Behind Moore and Ridley. Depending on draft capital maybe behind Pettis too.
I figured I'd move this here.
As does Antonio Brown, Tyreke Hill, DeSean Jackson and Tyler Lockette - that's why it's silly to say he can only be a slot guy. Isabella is roughly the same size as all those guys and faster than all of them (except for maybe Hill).
To answer my own question, player profiler has him at 22.4 as of this posting.
yeah at this point it's hard to believe anything NFL personelle say.
I believe his hands are smaller than normal for his height. which makes his smallness even more of a hindrance. I could be wrong on that, but its what I read
I'd like to know his drop rate. If it's low, does it matter how he catches the ball? I see him primarily in the slot and having separation for the vast majority of his targets (not fighting someone for the ball). As long as he comes down with the football, that's the important part. Granted, pairing him with QBs with lower accuracy (hello Lamar Jackson) may not be the best idea. As always, landing spot (specifically QB pairing) will play an important role.
I swear this isn't meant to pick on you I just see this a lot and for whatever reason tonight it irk'ed me.
I dont envision him in the slot. IMO that's a lazy projection too often used for smaller wrs. He has been working with Randy Moss to transition to the slot if needed.
You don’t think this is obvious to anyone using the term “landing spot”? I’m pretty sure people think Baltimore is a bad “landing spot” because of Jackson and likewise Indianapolis would be a good landing spot due to Luck.
Weird rant, I don't know why you think people don't take all of that into account when they say "landing spot". I mean you can't really decouple any of that from "landing spot" by definition. The post you quoted specifically mentions QB specifically.
It's just a narrative stemming from media adjusting to what they're hearing from league sources rather than...well, everything before now.
It's a fair rant, to be sure, and I agree for the most part. I specifically called out QB for that reason. I take no offense by any means.
I think this is more directed at me since I said I think he will primarily be in the slot. I understand he didn't play there until the senior bowl, but with small arms and hands, I think a lot of teams will want to push him into the slot. I'm not saying he won't ever play outside or that he can't, just that I think that is where most teams would put him for the majority of his snaps. I think he will have to earn outside playing time by proving he can succeed against NFL-caliber talent there.
And even that is really hard to get a grasp on. Kamara landing behind Ingram and AP looked ominous but without any injuries in front of him he ends up as an RB1. That was kind of a reverse case where his college “landing spot” was bad and hid his true potential. I also think the big part of this is the most difficult to know and that’s the between the ears stuff. Is this the kind of guy who is going to dedicate themselves fully to the craft, get along well with coaches, avoid distractions, etc. That’s just so hard to guage and even we are right, people change.
Yea, but what else is there to talk about, TJ Yeldon landing in Buffalo?It's just a narrative stemming from media adjusting to what they're hearing from league sources rather than...well, everything before now.
Is it legit? Or a team trying to torpedo a player's stock so they may be able to get him more affordably?
Not a new thing though. Dont think it's worth questioning further until this weekend.
I'm not here to tell others what to and what not to talk about, but in years in which I'm engaged in the draft I mostly shut it down before now. If you have a sound starting point and have done your own work then I think as the draft nears you're more likely to make a valuation mistake than anything. React post draft? Maybe. But now? Nah.
Actually Baltimore is a bad landing spot historically because they have drafted a ton of busts at the WR position over the last 2 decades. They haven't had a WR develop into a top or even near the top of their depth chart since they were the Browns. Torry Smith perhaps the most successful of WR they have drafted. Or maybe Stokley but he didn't do anything until he played with Manning.
You could also apply this logic to any receiver going to the Pats, which seems irrational to me.
While its true the Patriots haven't drafted a WR to have good production during the entire Bellechek and Brady era, they also haven't used any first round picks on them during this period either. They have used free agents as starters at the position for the most part, and those players have been productive. Its not really the same as what Baltimore has done.
Especially when the majority of them dont work out. Pretty sure wide receiver has about the biggest bust rate.
It's something crazy like only 20% of all round 1-4 picks get a 2nd contract with the team that drafted them. The Seahawks are the ultimate example. Schneider and Carrol took over in 2010 and from 2010-2012 they drafted 7 Pro Bowlers at QB, CB, 2 LBs, 2 Ss and LT. Since then they have drafted 2 Pro Bowlers, a punter and kick returner. They looked like geniuses for a while but that was likely just random success.
N'Keal Harry is gonna suck because the Patriots suck at drafting WRs. It is really a shame that he wasn't drafted by a team that knows how to properly scout WRs.
