Ilov80s
Footballguy
Sure but I have read the same thing in the N'Keal Harry thread and DJ Metcalf thread, etc.
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WR Andy Isabella, BAL (2 Viewers)
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Milkman
Footballguy
There's been a few WR like him in the past 5-10 years but they've only been successful in NE scheme. So I'm sceptical.
Ilov80s
Footballguy
I guess Phillip Dorsett hasn't done much except with New England. I just see lots of undersized burners have good careers in lots of places.
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Milkman
Footballguy
Ilov80s
Footballguy
That is fine. And I am not too stupid. If he ends up in a bad spot, I am willing to back off. More than anything, this is how I would evaluate him as an NFL team which is the best we can do at this point.
Interseptopus
Footballguy
absolutely. he could end up in many places that would drop him down pretty far for me. I'm back and forth on if I like him or Campbell better...
Ilov80s
Footballguy
I think the top 6 at WR this year represent an incredible group. Metcalf, Harry, H. Butler, Campbell, Isabella and AJ Brown all have a broad path to landing as top 20 fantasy WRs over the next few years. This is a rare class and beyond these guys, there are still several more prospects with upside.
Interseptopus
Footballguy
JohnnyU
Footballguy
Kelvin Harmon and Deebo Samuel will and should go before Isabella regardless of landing location, except maybe Baltimore. Campbell should go after Isabella. Campbell is no better than #11 WR. I currently have Isabella as the #10 WR.
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Ray Barboni
Footballguy
True.
But you can’t ignore the fact that Harry/Metcalf have more of the “pedigree” that would transition anywhere.
AI needs a scheme to succeed.
Ilov80s
Footballguy
Ilov80s
Footballguy
Ray Barboni
Footballguy
C’mon ... you know, the typical height/weight deal that “we” all drool over.
look, I love AI ... but if he goes to a team that isn’t going to use him to his strengths? He’s going to fail.
Whereas the other more “pedigreed” WR prospects could/might succeed - regardless of scheme/QB.
AI needs a team/QB/Scheme that’s going to get him looks underneath - I’m sure he can play outside, but he’s undoubtedly going to have to be the 3rd option for that to work
Ilov80s
Footballguy
He has the same size and athletic profile has TY Hilton, Lockett, John Brown, Desean Jackson and Brandin Cooks. I am not saying he will be that good but why is Isabella labeled an underneath WR???
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Ray Barboni
Footballguy
And all of those guys you mentioned ... were/are/have always been QB/Scheme dependent.
TY without Luck? John Broen without Carson? Desean withiut Andy Reid? Cooks without Brees, Brady and McVay?
Lol hey bud, we both really like AI ... but you even said a few posts earlier “you’ll pass if he lands in a bad spot.”
So?
The only reason you’d “pass” is because he’s limited physically. He needs to be in a “good spot”
Whereas your more prototypical WR, can succeed in situations that are not “ideal”
Ray Barboni
Footballguy
Ilov80s
Footballguy
You are responding to a post where I just asked why he keeps getting pegged an underneath WR.
Slight hijack here, but I really don't know why people aren't higher on Arcega-Whiteside. I think its entirely possible he's the best WR in this class. I think he'll fly up boards after Stanford's pro day.
rockaction
Footballguy
Would Wicked Isabella, named after Wicked Annabella by The Kinks, do the same?
Because every time I see this guy The Kinks's song pops in my head.
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rockaction
Footballguy
By the way, I watched highlight reels of this guy the other day. As many as I could find. It seems like he gains yardage deep and then underneath on out routes because the defense has to leave him such a cushion. I will admit that worries me a bit, as pro corners have speed and will be able to get up and press him.
That's a really amateur take on it, though, and I don't have UMass game film, so take that observation from highlight reels for what it's worth. A route tree diagram from the year might tell an entirely different story.
That's a really amateur take on it, though, and I don't have UMass game film, so take that observation from highlight reels for what it's worth. A route tree diagram from the year might tell an entirely different story.
Dr. Octopus
Footballguy
He'll surely face faster CBs than he did at UMass week in and week out but not even many pro CBs have 4.31 speed,
rockaction
Footballguy
From this cursory article:
The vertical burst, head fakes and explosiveness out of the break are eye-popping, as Isabella consistently maximized separation against off coverage. I don't love the skip release off the line of scrimmage against off coverage, but I'm also not sure what techniques they were working on, because there are times where that footwork is useful. It's also an easy thing to unteach, and not a cause for long-term concern.
https://thedraftnetwork.com/articles/welcome-to-the-andy-isabella-blender-machine
He's capable of playing in the slot and separating with quickness and explosive footwork over the middle of the field, but also has the deep speed to attack off coverage, force corners to open their hips early or win down the field on slot fades and vertical routes. That's a loaded combination for defenses to face from an inside receiver.
The vertical burst, head fakes and explosiveness out of the break are eye-popping, as Isabella consistently maximized separation against off coverage. I don't love the skip release off the line of scrimmage against off coverage, but I'm also not sure what techniques they were working on, because there are times where that footwork is useful. It's also an easy thing to unteach, and not a cause for long-term concern.
https://thedraftnetwork.com/articles/welcome-to-the-andy-isabella-blender-machine
He's capable of playing in the slot and separating with quickness and explosive footwork over the middle of the field, but also has the deep speed to attack off coverage, force corners to open their hips early or win down the field on slot fades and vertical routes. That's a loaded combination for defenses to face from an inside receiver.
rockaction
Footballguy
Yeah, I agree with that totally, but the knock on him is press coverage, small hands, and dropping balls.
I personally loved watching the guy again, as you might have noted from the Jets thread.
Zyphros
Footballguy
rockaction
Footballguy
We're probably more similar in age than you think, though I could be mistaken.
I just like good old-fashioned records sometimes. I think it's from '66. Anyway, sorry for the digression. I've been wanting to say that since I first saw this guy.
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cloppbeast
Footballguy
It would be awesome if he could go some where with offensive creativity, easy wr1. Other hand, he creates a mismatch no matter where he plays so he's sort of stupid-coach-proof.
rockaction
Footballguy
The hype following this guy is now huge. I think people tend to love people who are undersized and come from out of nowhere do so well against top competition. Something about it is edifying, so I hope he has a good, long career in the NFL.
I didn't write what you quoted, by the way, it's from the article. (Don't want to be accused of either passing off or plagiarism.)
Ilov80s
Footballguy
The one major weakness is contested catch situations. I just don't think that will ever be part of his game- he will need separation.
Ilov80s
Footballguy
Interseptopus
Footballguy
Not saying he is going to be Tyreek Hill, but from Hills draft profile:
Not very tough as a runner. Willing to go quietly into the turf once defender starts to make contact. Hands get shaky when headed into the middle of the field.
Zyphros
Footballguy
This is a common misconception of a bad thing. Personally I see it as smart, preserve the body, don't take the big hit, get up and do it again. Fitzgerald has done this for YEARS and he doesn't get knocked even as a bigger guy. I think it's even more important for smaller WR's or RB's. Depends on the tackle or situation sure, but smart players know when to give up fighting for extra yards.Dr. Dan said:
Marvin Harrison and Reggie Wayne did this constantly during their time with Manning, and were almost never injured.
Snorkelson
Footballguy
I see shades of cooper kupp- and no it’s not because he’s white. He looks the part, yet could be had in the early 2nd.
barackdhouse
Footballguy
Ok and here is *another* WR I'll be considering this year.
cloppbeast
Footballguy
Interseptopus
Footballguy
The fastest white receivers in NFL history.
Don Hutson a 9.7 when the WR was a 9.4.
John Roderick a converted RB out of SMU and a legit 9.3, but......he sucked.
Lance Alworh a 9.6 guy at Arkanasas also a converted RB. Probably the greatest white receiver, can be debated. (Hutson for one)
Roger Carr and Don Maynard had some serious jets.
That really is about it.
Don Hutson a 9.7 when the WR was a 9.4.
John Roderick a converted RB out of SMU and a legit 9.3, but......he sucked.
Lance Alworh a 9.6 guy at Arkanasas also a converted RB. Probably the greatest white receiver, can be debated. (Hutson for one)
Roger Carr and Don Maynard had some serious jets.
That really is about it.
Biabreakable
Footballguy
2019 NFL Draft: Andy Isabella Player Comparison | PFF
For being Pffs top rated WR Sam Monson is mostly critical of Isabellas WR abilities in this video.
For being Pffs top rated WR Sam Monson is mostly critical of Isabellas WR abilities in this video.
Snorkelson
Footballguy
Ilov80s
Footballguy
Why? I think he could be interesting in New England, Detroit, Philly, Washington...lots of places really. Most rookie WRs don't make a huge splash year 1 and I would expect Isabella to have a year or 2 of development.
