Thought this was interesting.
Majority of Voters in Both Parties are Religious, Study Finds
What do you think?
Majority of Voters in Both Parties are Religious, Study Finds
What do you think?
They are a godless party, Lou, and becoming more so. You remember back in 2012, when they had an argument on national television at their convention about removing God from their platform? Then, in 2016, at their convention, they had a pastor up there praying, and he gets heckled, and now, even this weekend, the Democrat Party passes a resolution saying ‘we enthusiastically support the values of the religiously unaffiliated in America.’ ‘Religiously unaffiliated’ is code for godless! They are truly becoming a godless party by their outreach, and certainly by their beliefs.
As opposed to using racial issues to stir up hate. If someone on the right said what you did it would have 8 reports and a mod coming in.I hate that religion has been politicized. And its a two-way street (religion <-> GOP). Just another way for the right to stir up hatred towards the left.
Politics and religion need a solid wall between the two. No one should care if the majority of atheists are Democrats. Calling us "godless" is just stirring up hate. Yes, I'm "religiously unaffiliated" and proudly godless - that shouldn't frighten anyone nor should it be anyone's concerns. And yes, I view it as a positive that Democrats chose to remove "god" from their platform. As it should be.As opposed to using racial issues to stir up hate. If someone on the right said what you did it would have 8 reports and a mod coming in.
Believers frighten me more than non-believers do.Politics and religion need a solid wall between the two. No one should care if the majority of atheists are Democrats. Calling us "godless" is just stirring up hate. Yes, I'm "religiously unaffiliated" and proudly godless - that shouldn't frighten anyone nor should it be anyone's concerns. And yes, I view it as a positive that Democrats chose to remove "god" from their platform. As it should be.
But it is a couple guys on TV. No different than the hate stirred up on MSNBC on a daily basis. You want to get on your high horse because the hate is from a god-based religion instead of humanism. No real difference. Hate is hate.Politics and religion need a solid wall between the two. No one should care if the majority of atheists are Democrats. Calling us "godless" is just stirring up hate. Yes, I'm "religiously unaffiliated" and proudly godless - that shouldn't frighten anyone nor should it be anyone's concerns. And yes, I view it as a positive that Democrats chose to remove "god" from their platform. As it should be.
It wasn't a couple of guys on TV - our current GOP VP said to "beware of the secular left". Beware.But it is a couple guys on TV. No different than the hate stirred up on MSNBC on a daily basis. You want to get on your high horse because the hate is from a god-based religion instead of humanism. No real difference. Hate is hate.
Beware???? He said beware? That is like some kind of dog whistle for something huge.It wasn't a couple of guys on TV - our current GOP VP said to "beware of the secular left". Beware.
Yes, fear the secular left. Like I'm someone who should be feared for my religious belief. Stir up fear and distrust of the secular left.Beware???? He said beware? That is like some kind of dog whistle for something huge.
Agree and I'd be interested to see the trend, too.I don't think the poll results are surprising. It would be interesting, however, to see how those numbers have changed in past 10, 15, 20 years.
Something particularly fascinating from that - its really only evangelicals and mormons that heavily lean Republican.Agree and I'd be interested to see the trend, too.
FWIW, the article Joe linked references a WaPo article that references data from Pew Research Center, and Pew's interactive presentation and analysis is probably more informative than anybody else's take on it. Here it is.
https://www.pewforum.org/religious-landscape-study/party-affiliation/
Good and difficult questions. I would say that, at heart, being religious is a belief in a power/force greater than ourselves ..belief in a creator ...belief in God. Ideally, or at least theoretically, believers find joy in their belief and choose to share that with a like-minded community via a church or synagogue. They find a community where they can share in their joys and their sorrows; where they can be uplifted and renewed.What does religious mean? Belief in God? In the tenets of a specific religion? Go to church or synagogue regularly?
Although my wife and I were both raised with some degree of religion, we no longer participate in organized religion of any kind and I've gone full science-based. We allowed our kids to make their own decisions. Our daughter was curious about religion (around the age of 12) and wanted to attend a nearby church with some of my family members. She went most weeks, was active in the youth group and was even confirmed - all on her own. But as she became older, she came to her own realization that people didn't act or live what they were taught in church. She made her own decision to leave and that she didn't need religion in her life to be a good person. My wife and I fully supported and encourage both her decision to join the church, and later to leave. But it was all her decisions. Teens and young adults do not need to be indoctrinated.That said, I understand the concept of being "religiously unaffiliated." I can understand why some choose to live by the Golden Rule while staying away from organized religion. (Though I find that sad. How will the next generation learn without being involved and partaking in the rituals, ceremonies, and activities?)
For clarification, does "turn out" here mean "turn out to vote"?Newsflash: Highly religious country finds out that the demographics of voters is highly religious. Explains why we're so screwed up tho. If anything the numbers show that atheists as a group turn out more than religious people do.*
ETA: * By quite a bit actually.
Yes. We're talking about voters aren't we?For clarification, does "turn out" here mean "turn out to vote"?
Feared for your non-religious beliefs is what he meant. At least that's my understanding of how people use "secular".Yes, fear the secular left. Like I'm someone who should be feared for my religious belief. Stir up fear and distrust of the secular left.
It's not surprising at all. With 75-80% of the US population being religious it's nearly impossible for the majority of voters for any party to not be religious. Except for maybe the Devil Worshiping Party of Salem.I don't think the poll results are surprising. It would be interesting, however, to see how those numbers have changed in past 10, 15, 20 years.
What on Earth was the point of this comment?Feared for your non-religious beliefs is what he meant. At least that's my understanding of how people use "secular".
ETA: Probably better said: "your beliefs that aren't founded in religion".
My religious belief is that there is no god. I do not fear god, nor do I fear satan. Neither exist.Feared for your non-religious beliefs is what he meant. At least that's my understanding of how people use "secular".
ETA: Probably better said: "your beliefs that aren't founded in religion".
The way his post reads is that Pence said you should be afraid of the religious beliefs of the left. That's not what "secular" means (the word Pence used). It means beliefs not founded in religion or lacking religion. It's not about difference of religion, it's the supposed lack of religion.What on Earth was the point of this comment?
You can call it whatever you want, but, that's a lack of religious belief.My religious belief is that there is no god. I do not fear god, nor do I fear satan. Neither exist.
That is my religious belief as recognized by the Supreme Court.
Pretty sure devil worship is a religion.It's not surprising at all. With 75-80% of the US population being religious it's nearly impossible for the majority of voters for any party to not be religious. Except for maybe the Devil Worshiping Party of Salem.
Good, you picked up on my hyperbole.Pretty sure devil worship is a religion.
I guess I use the word "religious" differently than most people. I 'd arguably check off all three of your choices but still don't think I'd call myself "religious". Just associate too much "extra beliefs" being required with the word. Obviously since those that arguably would check off fewer boxes still embrace calling themselves religious my usage would be non standard. I'll have to remember that.What does religious mean? Belief in God? In the tenets of a specific religion? Go to church or synagogue regularly?
Atheism Is ReligionYou can call it whatever you want, but, that's a lack of religious belief.
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the belief in and worship of a superhuman controlling power, especially a personal God or gods
Answers in Genesis. You quoted a religious website to tell you what atheists are.Atheism Is Religion
One of the definitions of religion in the Merriam-Webster Dictionary, however, is this: “a cause, principle, or system of beliefs held to with ardor and faith.”
Atheism certainly fits that definition, and many of its adherents are quite zealous about their faith system.
Atheists have an active belief system with views concerning origins (that the universe and life arose by natural processes); no life after death; the existence of God; how to behave while alive; and so much more. Honest atheists will admit their worldview is a faith. Atheism is a religion!
For First Amendment Purposes, Is Atheism a Religion?
After reading our recent articles about the situation at the New Mexico Museum of Natural History and Science (see here, here, and here), you might wonder whether courts even recognize “atheism” as a religion. Does it violate the Constitution for the government to endorse atheism? In fact, a number of cases have indeed found that for First Amendment purposes, atheism is a religion.
Look, normally I don't really care, but, it's important to the OP. The right isn't saying "look at those lefties and their different religions". They are saying "your beliefs are not founded in religion." I mean he used the word "secular" for Christ sake, pun intended. Does Answers in Genesis have a different definition for that too?Atheism is not an affirmative belief that there is no god nor does it answer any other question about what a person believes. It is simply a rejection of the assertion that there are gods. Atheism is too often defined incorrectly as a belief system. To be clear: Atheism is not a disbelief in gods or a denial of gods; it is a lack of belief in gods.
Older dictionaries define atheism as “a belief that there is no God.” Clearly, theistic influence taints these definitions. The fact that dictionaries define Atheism as “there is no God” betrays the (mono)theistic influence. Without the (mono)theistic influence, the definition would at least read “there are no gods.”
Let's fact check the bold shall we?:Atheism Is Religion
One of the definitions of religion in the Merriam-Webster Dictionary, however, is this: “a cause, principle, or system of beliefs held to with ardor and faith.”
Atheism certainly fits that definition, and many of its adherents are quite zealous about their faith system.
Atheists have an active belief system with views concerning origins (that the universe and life arose by natural processes); no life after death; the existence of God; how to behave while alive; and so much more. Honest atheists will admit their worldview is a faith. Atheism is a religion!
For First Amendment Purposes, Is Atheism a Religion?
After reading our recent articles about the situation at the New Mexico Museum of Natural History and Science (see here, here, and here), you might wonder whether courts even recognize “atheism” as a religion. Does it violate the Constitution for the government to endorse atheism? In fact, a number of cases have indeed found that for First Amendment purposes, atheism is a religion.
a: a lack of belief or a strong disbelief in the existence of a god or any gods
b: a philosophical or religious position characterized by disbelief in the existence of a god or any gods
you serious Clark?Atheism Is Religion
One of the definitions of religion in the Merriam-Webster Dictionary, however, is this: “a cause, principle, or system of beliefs held to with ardor and faith.”
Atheism certainly fits that definition, and many of its adherents are quite zealous about their faith system.
Atheists have an active belief system with views concerning origins (that the universe and life arose by natural processes); no life after death; the existence of God; how to behave while alive; and so much more. Honest atheists will admit their worldview is a faith. Atheism is a religion!
For First Amendment Purposes, Is Atheism a Religion?
After reading our recent articles about the situation at the New Mexico Museum of Natural History and Science (see here, here, and here), you might wonder whether courts even recognize “atheism” as a religion. Does it violate the Constitution for the government to endorse atheism? In fact, a number of cases have indeed found that for First Amendment purposes, atheism is a religion.
Nailed it!I don't think a proper and perfect characterization of atheism is super important to the OP, or to what I imagine JB intended for this thread.
I'm guessing he thought some religious GOPers here might incorrectly think that Dems are mostly godless heathens, and he wanted to shine some light on yet another "we're more similar than different, and shouldn't be so divided" kinda thing. Because that's a positive thing to do and he does that here sometimes.
Problem is, no GOPers bit and JB bailed on the thread so we're left guessing and quibbling about offshoots of whatever he was trying to discuss.
I think it was obvious.Thought this was interesting.
Majority of Voters in Both Parties are Religious, Study Finds
What do you think?
ShockingI was sentenced to Catholic school as a kid because I was a non-conformist and frankly, a ####.