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Colin Kaepernick - NFL future? (1 Viewer)
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voiceofunreason
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A lot of times would sign him for the good pr alone right now. Zero doubt someone signs him if he's interested.
Beyond the obvious issues, I think there was also an issue about how much money he wanted. I remember him wanting 20 million a year, and no team is shelling that put for a backup. If he's willing to play for say, 3-4 million, I'm sure he'll have zero issue finding a spot, if he even wants one at this point.
It probably would be great PR right now.
Seattle would make a lot of sense to me as a team that could use a backup QB, and Pete Carroll loves him some reclamation projects.
Denver needs a backup QB badly, but they should really aim higher(Cam?) in my opinion.
Jacksonville wouldn't be a bad landing spot, he and Minshew could take turns keeping the seat warm for Lawrence/Fields.
I can't see NE as a landing spot. Would Andy Reid take a flier?
He's not played in years, no idea if he's any good now and fair to say he was not great his last year. He's still probably better then a lot of backups but even if the money is not an issue what is working against him now is he's not anyone's starter and most teams just don't want a massive media distraction from their backup QB.
Deamon
Footballguy
Wouldn't it be incredible PR right now? Heck, I could see the Pats doing it just so Bill doesn't have to answer any questions about anything else at all.
It would be good PR right now after the signing......three weeks into the season when the team loses a game the PR will turn bad as people say he is being blackballed to be only a backup and should be starting. That it was just a PR stunt to sign him as they had no intention of every playing him. Things will change quick in the media to fit the current narrative.
brewer
Footballguy
I don't think Kaep really wants to play at this point. He hasn't played in a game since 2016 and he doesn't need the cash. So, why come back for a down the line backup position for not a lot of money? And no team is going to throw a lot of money at him.
I think we can safely say that we have seen the last of Kaepernick in an NFL uniform.
I think we can safely say that we have seen the last of Kaepernick in an NFL uniform.
It would be incredible PR for the league. Saying that a small segment of our population would be turned off but on the whole great PR for the league.
But not sure how much an individual team would gain by the PR and again I go back to the hindrance I believe a lot of coaches would have regarding a backup QB being such a media distraction.
Speaking of Bill it's well known he asked Tebow turned down a $1M endorsement after consulting with Bill so he'd not be a distraction as he tried to make the team. Bill cut him later anyway but I've read that one of the issues teams did not want to bring in and work with Tebow(who I don't think is nearly as good as Kap) is they viewed him as to much of a distraction.
Just wanted to point that out on Tebow because when I say Colin is to much of a distraction for teams I don't mean to imply he's doing anything wrong. Tebow is basically a saint among us(apparently) but even his distraction is a turn off to teams.
I'm pulling for Colin and hope if he wants to make it back in the league he can. But finding the team to stick it's neck out is still not something I think will be easy and his layoff only makes it more problematic. With this being an election year he'd only be that much more of a lighting rod that I'm just not sure any actual team wants to deal with right now.
Andy Dufresne
Footballguy
Kaepernick should announce publicly what amount of money he'd accept. Then we can all see if he's asking too much or if teams are really blackballing him.
He's probably worth the $4m that AJ McCarron makes but he's not getting Bridgewater money at $21m.
Let's see who is actually the unreasonable party here.
He's probably worth the $4m that AJ McCarron makes but he's not getting Bridgewater money at $21m.
Let's see who is actually the unreasonable party here.
Encumbrance
Footballguy
I agree with the sentiment. But to be a pedant, you can't do that with raw dollars because of opportunity cost. Guy'd have to release his income tax return to know. Even then you wouldn't because of appearance fees and the like.
Mystery Achiever
Footballguy
Definitely this. Still a major distraction to take on for a backup player.
And, as meno points out, election year. President has previously said (via Jerry Jones in a sworn deposition) ""This is a very winning, strong issue for me.Tell everybody, you can't win this one. This one lifts me."
Anarchy99
Footballguy
I still think CK thinks of himself as a front line starter and will demand $20M+ a year. If he doesn't get that, I doubt he will sign anywhere. I don't think it's ever been about whether he is good enough to be one of the 64 or 96 best QBs in the league . . . I don't think he has ANY interest in becoming that. He will lose clout, media interest, and constant attention if he signs for low dollars to be a second or third stringer on a lousy team to stand (no pun intended) on a sideline with a clipboard all game. But he would still command lots of attention playing the victim card not being on a roster and continuing to make the league look bad (staying in the spotlight) by NOT being on a roster. I am sure he has plenty of Nike money . . . signing on not to play for a couple of million doesn't make much sense. And what team would sign CK over Cam at this point?
Encumbrance
Footballguy
I wonder what the polling would look like now after the tragedy we saw on camera. People are able to viscerally link the protest to a complete injustice for what appears to be (at the very least) the first time. Public sentiment is different than it was when Rodney King was brutalized.
I think Kaepernick has more cachet now, especially in urban and minority communities. That said, Anarchy99 and you are right. No team wants him as a starter, no team needs the distraction of him as a back-up.
Mystery Achiever
Footballguy
The polling now and by the time the season starts will probably be different. That's just the way things go.How much it fades remains to be seen. But regardless, if he believes it is a winning issue, there will be more tweets like last week's about Brees and Goodell and that will be a data point for owners' consideration.
In that vein, here are the political party leanings of fan bases as of 2017. This is NOT meant to make our discussion any more political. But it is another data point for any team to consider in assessing PR risk and lost ticket sales.
https://fivethirtyeight.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/09/paine-enten-nfl-politics-4.png?w=575
If politics plays a role, potentially further winnowing the field of possible landing spots could be those whose ownership donated to Trump Inaugural Campaign
-- Cle, Dal, Hou, Jax, Rams, NE, Jets, TB, Was
In that vein, here are the political party leanings of fan bases as of 2017. This is NOT meant to make our discussion any more political. But it is another data point for any team to consider in assessing PR risk and lost ticket sales.
https://fivethirtyeight.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/09/paine-enten-nfl-politics-4.png?w=575
If politics plays a role, potentially further winnowing the field of possible landing spots could be those whose ownership donated to Trump Inaugural Campaign
-- Cle, Dal, Hou, Jax, Rams, NE, Jets, TB, Was
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Odd, I see him more as a guy who doesn't say a lot and mostly stays out of the spotlight. The entire narrative of him being some kind of attention whore who refuses to consider anything other than starter money is just antithetical to the image I have of him over the past 5 years.
And assuming the attention/spotlight is as important to him as you think it is, signing with ANY team in ANY capacity would be an insane media circus.
Ghost Rider
Footballguy
As a Broncos fan, I don’t want Cam or Kaep as our backup. Drew Lock is bound to have more growing pains and he needs to be able to fight through them without worrying that his team will succumb to media pressure and bench him for a high profile backup.
Hankmoody
Footballguy
Sure, if he's willing to take mid-level backup money. Think he's willing to sign for $1.5M a year?
Hankmoody
Footballguy
We have no idea because no one has offered 1.5m a year. There is no evidence he is asking for a ton of starter money outside of random speculation, is there anything since he was a free agent where he has rejected an NFL offer? The XFL does not count for the reasons people have stated in this thread. If I get an unsolicited contact asking if I want to shovel pig #### for a living, I would be like "sure, for $500,000". Is that the going rate for #### shovelers? No idea, but that is what it would take for me to do it. It does not mean I would not work anywhere else for less than $500,000. It is essentially the same as answering no.
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Jayded
Footballguy
So from a pure fantasy perspective, I will safely assume he's on many waiver wires. Is he yet debatable as an end of bench hold or is it so unlikely that he'll be back or play meaningful snaps at this point that he's best left there?
tl;dr : Keep him on the ww or pick him up?
tl;dr : Keep him on the ww or pick him up?
I would say keep him on the WW. No idea if he will ever play, no idea if he will be the starter if he does, no idea if he will be good if he is the starter. There are a lot of conditions that need to be met before he is roster worthy. Maybe if you are in a super deep dynasty league and you can drop something completely valueless to see what happens.
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DJackson10
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I've heard conflicting reports from people I know.
A former teammate of his who lived in my area claimed Kap was not being blackballed but he wanted too much money and any reasonable offers the GF was telling him to turn down to make it look like he was being black balled to fit the agenda. A lot of the kneeling/etc is coming from the GF side (I've had several trusted people confirm this) and Kaep was not comfortable with this at first. He initially was doing it to save his job and it backfired but the more the GF got into his head the more he believed her. Another person told me it was the GF's idea for Eric Reid and Colin to leave the players Coalition.
Another person told me the league was blackballing him but I've never gotten legit confirmation on this. I've only read or heard it from people with an agenda from Main Stream media outlets not associated with NFL or football at all, Social Justice groups who don't understand everything about football, those on here etc. I've yet to see someone give me proof where I've gotten proof from a source that Malcolm Jenkins tried to keep Kaep involved with the Player Coalition but Kaep ignored every response from the PC to get him to stay involved. Jenkins had enough to file a defamation lawsuit against CK but felt bad for him and he believed it wasn't right to sink to their level.
Then you got the whole Eric Reid thing who tried to cheap shot Carson Wentz and cause fights and all against the Eagles. The commentators were even saying a coach/teammate needs to calm Reid down before he cost the team the game. Reid has continued to insult Malcom etc and CK has been very quite about it. How do teams deal with that? CK's best friend going after others calling them Uncle Tom's etc.
Then you got the issues of CK's ability. Dude cannot read a defense and from all intents and purposes he was babied and coddled in SF the whole time that it pretty much separated the locker room. Coaches started to question his work ethic after he changed his diet too as he looked much lighter and smaller. His ability declined as the seasons went on. He's in that QB group where they aren't gonna develop much more when then enter the league and are at their prime those first few yrs. He hasn't played football in how long now?
Finally does he even want to play? Many assume that a team offers him a good deal he'd take it. Has anyone interviewed him or talked to him where they felt he had intentions of playing? What if he doesn't want to play? Is there gonna be a group who's defended him since the beginning now get upset and go against him? We've seen how these SJW's eat their own at times.
Look I got my views as many have read or know if I think CK's actions were ever genuine. However considering the talent or lack there of for this guy I just don't get what the fuss is to bringing him back in the league. This isn't like he's the MJ of the league who was blackballed. This was a guy who IMHO got lucky, got hot and was used at the right position at the right time in the league. When Teams finally figured it out he was done. Hey it was a nice run time to move on. I get the social Justice in all of this but really if the dude was as talented as some in here think or others thought he was he'd have been signed A LONG TIME AGO. Even without the Kneeing during the Anthem I never thought Colin would see another NFL contract again.
DJackson10
Footballguy
Forgive my ignorance on the bolded as I don't feel like going back and reading but how does the XFL not count? Honestly if I was in CK"s camp and CK felt like he wanted to continue to play and prove himself as someone in his camp I'd be screaming till I was blue in the face for him to sign with an XFL team. It's legit game competition to show he can still play. Good PR etc. Why wouldn't you take it. Even at the bare minimum think of it as an audition or internship. That to me when he didn't even consider or think about the XFL offered showed he was not serious of continuing his football career and should've ended this debate
jm192
Footballguy
He hasn't played football in 3 seasons.
He's going to be lucky to make a roster. And talk about good PR all you like, I don't believe teams are going to put up with a media circus for their backup QB.
The likelihood he starts another game is low. The likelihood he is fantasy relevant is nearly zero.
Most importantly, because he is being blackballed, being good in another league will not get him into the NFL because it is not about talent, he is not some unknown Div III guy trying to get a scout to notice him. His opponents could always hand-wave any success away as inferior competition if they want to keep him out of the NFL, while if he does do poorly or get injured obviously it is bad, so it is truly a no win situation for him. It is like arm wrestling a girl in high school, if you win no one cares and if you lose your friends will tease you about it for the next 10 years. How would playing in the XFL be good PR? Do you think all of the politically motivated grandstanding from opponents of his would disappear if he started dunking on random guys no one has heard of? He does not need an internship when he is already really rich, so why risk injury in a league that no one cares about. He did not have a good year in 2016, but his passer rating and relative ranking among starting QBs was better than many known veterans from 2019 who continue to find work including Rivers, Winston, Dalton, Fitzpatrick, Brissett, Flacco etc. I am not saying he would be the best QB in the league and putting up all pro numbers, but he would definitely still be a starter today based on how long guys with a much lower ceiling than his stay floating around in the league. I have no inside information to know if he even wants to come back after being out of the league for the last 3 years, he might not since he already has a bunch of money from playing, from advertising deals, and from whatever amount he got from the league settlement last year.DJackson10 said:
Edit: This discussion is probably more suited to the already existing thread in the politics section, can save this one for actual football news if he gets signed.
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Encumbrance
Footballguy
We have no way of knowing how much he makes in endorsements, appearance fees, video game checks, and everything else tangential to football and his own fame that he's earned because of his stance. For him to sign, one has to know how much money he is foregoing to do so to make a judgment about his "reasonableness." It's reasonable to walk away from a $1.5 million check if you're making that in endorsements and speaker fees, appearances, etc.Hankmoody said:
It's nothing for us to sneeze at; it may not be worth it to him.
DJackson10
Footballguy
See this is where I disagree. I don't think he's being blackballed at all. He just sucks. He was a perfect fit for the gimmicky college offense that was a base for teams. His negatives for a few yrs were hidden with the talent around him. Guys like Kaepernick need a very good defense a good line and a good running game in order for them to succeed. Take those away and you get what you got the last 2 yrs of him. Well before the kneeling there were signs of decline and then there's the whole Rams game where the defense didn't cover a WR at the bottom of the screen. The WR is yelling and waving for CK no one is covering him. What does CK do? Keep the run play at the goal line for a loss. Any good QB adjusts and audibles to throw a quick screen or takes a shot deep in that situation. That tells me and it tells football experts a few things. One he doesn't have confidence in his own ability to throw a ball to a wide open player and or 2 he has no clue how to read the defense.
I'm happy to sit here and just debate his football talent and skill set if you'd like. There are two different discussions when talking about CK here though but for the main purposes of this thread its football. I thought his days were numbered in SF before the protest and he'd be lucky if he got a deal somewhere else his next contract making anything close to what he made in SF if Lucky some back up job. Out of the bolded I'd take all those guys before CK with the exception of Winston but honestly if I was desperate and the option was CK or Winston I'd go Winston. I just feel that CK was another great running athletic QB. He had his time and then like every other QB with his skill set fades away after awhile. So yes if Colin had been serious about playing and wanting to actually get some attention back on him for a pure football stand point I'd definitely would've taken an XFL offer if it was good enough. Not only does it help him get the rust off and back in form but it also helps show teams he may have improved on his weaknesses.
For me I don't think Colin really has any interest in playing again
Hankmoody
Footballguy
Hankmoody
Footballguy
huthut said:
I like how you need evidence when it about his salary demands but it's totally optional when it fits your narrative.
Manster
Footballguy
Had season Tix for Nevada back when Kaep was there. He was AWESOME in college. But he didn't have to pass very much against mostly under-sized, athletically challenged defenses in the Mountain West......Aults pistol offense was very much a run first, read option offense. Kaep was the PERFECT fit for this scheme in a wide open, offensive conference. Thing is, he never really had great touch on his deep passes, but it didn't matter at that level. In the NFL he had initial success for sure, but he's not going to see all the green in front of him to run like he did in college, obviously.......my buddy used to say he wouldn't make a great NFL QB based on his passing. I disagreed with him at the time. I thought he'd develop, and he did, but not to where he needed to be....helluva college QB, decent NFL QB......now he'd be a decent b/u.
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irish eyes
Footballguy
He is terrible, plain & simple. And some in here saying he is better than some of the starters apparently don't watch football or know zero about it.
jabarony
Footballguy
Dead nuts on. He's not a top 32 QB. He's likely, at least 3 years ago he was, a top 64 QB. If he 's been demanding top 32 $, he's reaching/ really doesn't want to play football. If he's asking for backup $ and "just wants to play" (football, not the victim), he's been blackballed.
I'd put $ on the former.
He quit his job with the 49ers. Got offered a job by the Ravens then insulted the owner and Ray Lewis. Sued the bosses. Took the money. Said he still wanted to work. The bosses called his bluff and set up an interview (workout) and he didn’t show. Oh and in there he said he would play AAF for $20M, knowing full well the payroll for an entire team is 13M.
And you’re telling me this guy wants to play football?
And you’re telling me this guy wants to play football?
The Frankman
Footballguy
Y! Sports - Pete Carroll received a call today from a team interested in Colin Kaepernick
Roto's Take
Kinda funny, that was the first call he'd received from another coach regarding him. You'd think an easy way to save from having to work him out was have just pick the brain of a coach who did.
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Stinkin Ref
IBL Representative
I think people are forgetting how bad he was at the end....he got benched for Blaine ####### Gabbert.....he was not good...he was like the opposite of good....like barely back up not so good..even tho I believe the Broncos offered him like 7-8 million even after all the kneeeling stuff and he told them to pound sand....
honestly....I think he knows he will suck...and doesn’t really want to play anymore....its all a game....part of me wishes somebody would give him a shot so he could show what he doesn’t have and we can put this part of it to bed...
honestly....I think he knows he will suck...and doesn’t really want to play anymore....its all a game....part of me wishes somebody would give him a shot so he could show what he doesn’t have and we can put this part of it to bed...
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The Frankman
Footballguy
I imagine as Goodell said the comments, he gave a sly wink and a chuckled under his breath.
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SproutDaddy
Footballguy
That's a wrong way to look at it. Ideology is blinding.
Seriously though, coaching is everything. Greg Roman had him playing amazing until he left and the defense went to crap due to retirements and FAs leaving. Look at Lamar Jackson right now. Very similar situations as QBs coming into the league.
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The leading passer in yardage last year took a 3.4mil deal. I don’t think he potentially ruins the blackballed narrative unless it gives him a further platform. I still say the NFL doesn’t want that from a backup and I’m not sure it’s good for him as a backup. I.E. it will then transcend the locker room from political platform to well they don’t want to play or start me because of my politics. Maybe Houston... that would make the most sense to me right now.
wgoldsph
Footballguy
Winston was also the leader in turnovers, so it doesn't really matter how many yards he put up.
The blackballed narrative no longer is relevant now that the NFL is openly saying "hey we were wrong, please protest.". It only made sense l when the league was actively stopping players from doing so, and keeping out kap for starting it off.
There's a lot of speculation as to what kap wants in terms of money and playing time in this thread with absolutely no concrete word from him. Until we know if he's willing to be a backup and accept backup money (which is all he can get after being out of the game for so long) then we can't pass judgement about it.
