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*** OFFICIAL *** COVID-19 CoronaVirus Thread. Fresh epidemic fears as child pneumonia cases surge in Europe after China outbreak. NOW in USA (20 Viewers)

Anarchy99 said:
This may have been covered already but I didn't see it.

Any ideas what will happen when outings and trips are already paid for? For example, we have tickets to an out of town show that most likely is going to get cancelled. We already booked and paid for the hotel. Do we get ticket money back? Hotel money back? Are we forced to stay in a hotel where everyplace else in town is closed or quarantined?

Similarly, some of the family was supposed to fly to Europe. Flights, hotels, outings are already paid for. If the government(s) say no dice, are the airlines, hotels, and tour companies obligated to refund your money . . . seeing how people would not be allowed to participate?
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I think it's going to be a case by case basis but I would imagine at least all of the large companies are going to do the right thing to save face.  Nearly every airline has already said you can either re-book your flight for a later date without change fees or cancel your flight for a credit.

 
The Captain said:
Ugh. I think I might have Covid-19 overload. 
Wife informed me that is she going see friends of ours Saturday who work in several skilled nursing facilities in town. Ironically they are both respiratory therapists and have very little concerns about the virus. They also spent today hanging out at a casino to celebrate a birthday. 
 

Told wife I’d prefer she not go (to drop off a birthday present) until we know what this thing is doing but she just said that I’m over reacting and need to get over it. 

On top of visiting people who have very likely been exposed due to their jobs, she intends to visit her elderly parents immediately after spending time with our friends. Both have underlying medical conditions and are in their late 70s. I’m pretty pissed off about her lack of concern but starting to think I might be overreacting and need to chill out a bit. 

Might need to take a break from this thread and the news. 🥴
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Not to be a jerk, but whether you're overreacting to some degree or not, your wife is being reckless with her parents' lives. Not really a time to be flippant and take chances with that demographic. 

 
Flying to Grand Cayman for 5 nights on Sunday.  Wife and I were leaning toward cancelling, as the flights and hotel are both on points and (we assumed) refundable.  Just checked about Marriott's cancellation policy and for resorts, it's 21 days.  Oops.  Well, even then, 260000 is a lot of Marriott points, but maybe I'll just eat them.  So I went over to flyertalk to see if any one had any luck getting exceptions for the virus, and folks are freaking out.  The actual policy, announced when Marriott merged with Starwood, is that if you cancel a points reservation after the deadline, you get your points back, but then are charged the cash rate instead.  Given that it's spring break, cash rate at the Westin Grand Cayman is $800/night (which I can't imagine anyone ever paying).  So if I cancel, I'm out $4k.

Either I need to hope Marriott follows other chains' lead and gets more lenient (right now, only Asia and Italy are excepted) or I'm on a flight to the Caribbean in 3 days.

 
Weebs210 said:
I'm in a interesting situation. At a wake today and funeral tomorrow. No way I can't shake hands. How screwed am I.
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I just went to a funeral today. My wife’s pregnant, so we just told everyone her doctor told us to avoid physical contact. Nobody really cared.

 
Here's another tracking counter.  I like that this one shows the daily change in table format. If that does exist on Johns Hopkins one, I haven't found it. 

I'd like to see the numbers on tests being done in the US but haven't found a good source.  If we're relying on CDC (for data or tests), then we're in bad shape.  

 
Brony said:
Here's another tracking counter.  I like that this one shows the daily change in table format. If that does exist on Johns Hopkins one, I haven't found it. 

I'd like to see the numbers on tests being done in the US but haven't found a good source.  If we're relying on CDC (for data or tests), then we're in bad shape.  
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Yeah it’s tough to track because the govt isn’t tracking it.  Crowd-sourced or 3rd party sites are as good as anything.

 
Cjw_55106 said:
Getting a ridiculous amount of emails from companies assuring people they are doing their part to combat the virus. I get why some companies might do it, but Capital One? Really ?
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For me, it started with the airlines and hotel chains which made sense to me as a frequent business traveler.

The past day or so, it’s been virtually every retailer that has my email address.  Grocery stores, wholesale clubs, department stores.

You can sort of imagine the internal corporate discussions.  We should probably say something.   What should we say?  What can we say that won’t get us sued?  Do we have some generic language about stepped-up cleaning and sanitization?  How should we deal with items impacted by panic buying?

 
Just got an email from DFW Airport concerning COVID. It starts:

“DFW Airport is one of 11 U.S. airports identified by the Department of Homeland Security (DHS) to screen passengers for the coronavirus. Currently, flights to certain regions have been suspended. Please check with your airline for more information. Customs and Border Protection (CBP), DHS, and Centers for Disease Control (CDC) remain on site screening passengers from specific regions and countries. We have implemented enhanced sanitation efforts in all terminals and airport buildings.”

One of 11 is troubling, no? While I realize most are much smaller, there are over 5,000 public airports in the US. Seems we’re missing a few. 

 
Brony said:
What do you think the realistic range is?  
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In my meaningless opinion, 500 is Ohio's upper number.  This thing PROBABLY isn't as widespread as many would have you believe.  

What I mean by that is that it's still very rare as a percentage of the population. It's "everywhere" in the sense that it will be difficult to stop, but it's still not very common.  It just so happens cold/flu season are going on too and so lots of people are sick, which gives people the impression that Covid-19 is everywhere.  

 
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beer 302 said:
Just got an email from DFW Airport concerning COVID. It starts:

“DFW Airport is one of 11 U.S. airports identified by the Department of Homeland Security (DHS) to screen passengers for the coronavirus. Currently, flights to certain regions have been suspended. Please check with your airline for more information. Customs and Border Protection (CBP), DHS, and Centers for Disease Control (CDC) remain on site screening passengers from specific regions and countries. We have implemented enhanced sanitation efforts in all terminals and airport buildings.”

One of 11 is troubling, no? While I realize most are much smaller, there are over 5,000 public airports in the US. Seems we’re missing a few. 
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I mean, shouldn't you cancel any air travel that isn't 1000% necessary anyway? That's sort of the point of flatten the curve.

 
Just left the grocery store. Tons of everything except tp and pt and anything that kills viruses. Seem like the normal after work surge

 
Cjw_55106 said:
Getting a ridiculous amount of emails from companies assuring people they are doing their part to combat the virus. I get why some companies might do it, but Capital One? Really ?
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Dear , 

Thank you for being a valuable partner in our efforts to combat the spread of coronavirus (COVID-19). Following the announcement of the state's first presumptive positive cases of COVID-19, Gov. Gretchen Whitmer and the Michigan Department of Health and Human Services (MDHHS) are providing recommendations designed to help prevent the spread of the virus. These recommendations apply at the individual, organizational, and community levels. They apply to businesses, workplaces, schools, community organizations, health care institutions, and individuals of all ages, backgrounds, and health profiles; everyone has an important role to play. Please take a moment to review the Interim Recommendations to Mitigate the Spread of COVID-19 (March 11, 2020). Information about this outbreak is changing rapidly. You can stay informed by regularly visiting Michigan.gov/Coronavirus and CDC.gov/Coronavirus. 

Thank you, 

Michigan Lottery

 
Dear Neighbor, 

I want to personally reach out to you to advise that we, at DTE Energy, are focused on delivering safe and reliable energy to your homes and families. We are committed to providing our service to you in a manner that places the health and safety of you and our employees first.
 

As the global community responds to the coronavirus outbreak, please be assured that we have activated company-wide crisis planning.

WHAT WE’RE DOING TO KEEP YOU SAFE 
As always, our crews are ready to respond to any safety concerns with your service and are taking the following precautions to ensure our collective health and well-being:

Wearing nitrile gloves to prevent hand contact with home or office surfaces; 

Wiping down and disinfecting areas where work is done; and  

Applying the recommended social distancing of six feet from others to prevent person-to-person transmission. 

PROTECTING OUR EMPLOYEES  
 To protect employees, DTE is taking the following measures: 

Cancelling non-essential business travel;

Asking employees to self-identify, if they have travelled to a high-impact area;

Utilizing technology for large group meetings and cancelling assemblies; 

Reinforcing good hygiene practices such as frequent hand washing; and

Asking customers who are feeling ill and have a service appointment to please contact us at 1.800.477.4747 to reschedule. 

JOIN US IN PREVENTING THE SPREAD OF THE CORONAVIRUS 
The Michigan Department of Health and Human Services released the following guidance:

Learn about the signs and symptoms of COVID-19, which include fever, cough and difficulty breathing.

STAY HOME WHEN YOU ARE SICK, and individuals at risk of severe illness should consider staying at home to avoid others who are sick.

Regularly clean and disinfect frequently touched surfaces, such as doorknobs, keyboards, cell phones and light switches.

Communicate and reinforce best practices for washing hands and covering coughs and sneezes.

Please know DTE is in direct and continuous contact with the State of Michigan’s emergency operations center.

Thank you, and together let’s stay safe and healthy.

Heather Rivard
Sr. Vice President, DTE Energy 
 

 
shader said:
In my meaningless opinion, 500 is Ohio's upper number.  This thing isn't as widespread as many would have you believe.  

What I mean by that is that it's still very rare as a percentage of the population. It's "everywhere" in the sense that it will be difficult to stop, but it's still not very common.  It just so happens cold/flu season are going on too and so lots of people are sick, which gives people the impression that Covid-19 is everywhere.  
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The only way the above would be wrong is if there are a lot of deaths/ICU patients that aren't being reported because they aren't being tested.  I suppose that is a possibility.

Side note, my father was exposed to someone that got sick and thinks they had Covid-19.  They have been tested and told it will be 3-5 days until they know.  Until then, they are free to move about the country..

 
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For whatever you think it's worth...from a friend who spends her entire day on this stuff right now:

  • Private tests are finally starting to come online and over the next week or two the "veil" covering the country is going to be lifted as the results come back.  The case count is going to spike dramatically, and we'll start to find out where the hotspots really are.  
  • Places with high rates of smoking or diabetes are likely to be the worst hit.
  • TBD whether all of these private-sector reactions will be enough to head off Italy/Iran type situations, but it's a good thing for sure.  The government has completely botched this.
  • Holing up for a couple weeks is conservative or prudent, but not crazy.  A lot of people are likely to do this anyhow as the scope of the virus becomes clear through the rest of March.
  • 80% of cases are mild enough that you wouldn't even worry about it. 
 
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Dinsy Ejotuz said:
For whatever you think it's worth...from a friend who spends her entire day on this stuff right now:

  • Private tests are finally starting to come online and over the next week or two the "veil" covering the country is going to be lifted as the results come back.  The case count is going to spike dramatically, and we'll start to find out where the hotspots really are.  Places with high rates of smoking or diabetes are likely to be the worst hit.
  • TBD whether all of these private-sector reactions will be enough to head off Italy/Iran type situations, but it's a good thing for sure.
  • Holing up for a couple weeks is conservative or prudent, but not crazy.  A lot of people are likely to do this anyhow as the scope of the virus becomes clear through the rest of March.
  • 80% of cases are mild enough that you wouldn't even worry about it. 
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Everything here seems dead-on accurate from what I've heard.

 
Weebs210 said:
I'm in a interesting situation. At a wake today and funeral tomorrow. No way I can't shake hands. How screwed am I.
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Why not. Nobody is shaking hands, hugging, etc. If someone is wanting to shake my hand after all this #### that's gone down, those are the people I'd worry about keeping up good hygiene. 

 
JoeSteeler said:
Left the grocery store and it was a mad house x 1000

busiest I have ever seen it
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My theory is that it's better to be living near the crazy grocery stores because that means the general, non-FBG (read: "brilliant") population is taking this seriously. I don't see it a ton where I am. I'd rather be somewhere that is in a mild state of panic so it may spread less widely. 

 
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