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*** OFFICIAL *** COVID-19 CoronaVirus Thread. Fresh epidemic fears as child pneumonia cases surge in Europe after China outbreak. NOW in USA (16 Viewers)
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jplvr
Footballguy
Right there with you. I've also been pretty broke since late February, but I got approved for stimulus money on Saturday, and we finally got approved for our PPP loan today. Should finally be able to get made whole on salary for the year and pay off the CC.
I did buy some of those lawn clean-up bags from Lowe's today. I tried on Saturday, but that place was way too busy for me. Got in and out quickly today.
Doug B
Footballguy
Oklahoma, might be OK to loosen up this way. Reason being is that culturally, people already live pretty distant from one another. There's little to no mass transit (I bet nothing outside of OKC, Tulsa, and maybe something minimal in Stillwater for OSU students).
Still bears watching, of course.
Redwes25
Footballguy
Well they have underestimated deaths all along according to this. If we end up with 150k cases per day that shows deaths will be much higher than 3k a day.
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Sammy3469
Footballguy
Courtjester
The Town Drunk
I am with you. Granted I have been working from home and I can't step away from the computer for extended periods of time, but before all this, I can't even count how many times I have said, "Well if only I had the time, I would get to (insert project)."
I have settled into a weird routine here that usually has a short afternoon nap built in. Then there is the nightly happy hour.
Doug B
Footballguy
Thanks.
I see now, also, that the CDC slides that Sammy posted upthread are the ultimate source of all these figures. See pages 10 and 11 of his link.
Osaurus
Footballguy
Alex P Keaton
Footballguy
Minnesota ramp up is closely matching increased testing. They’ve been testing a sizeable chunk of people each day for well over a week. You can watch the tests/1M of population go up strongly each day......
beer 30
Footballguy
toshiba said:
So this is the link that is causing me the confusion, updated as of today. https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/covid19/index.htm?fbclid=IwAR1qZNuLqETKOAOnKyh8erEoKWjtm3o_-i1xCfQYjxggKtLy2kDdk6OP7IISoBeDad said:
Re MN: Hard to tell how much of the increasing case count is due to increased testing. We're finally testing over 3k a day. Looks like ICU numbers went up quite a but I've the last few days but non- ICU hospitalization numbers have been holding somewhat steady.
We've also had some outbreaks at meat packing plants, so I'm not sure how much of the increase is due to local hot spots versus general spread. Anecdotally, the MSP metro area seems pretty dead, but the home improvement stores are hopping. Some serious spring fever here, so increased cases and hospitalization wouldn't surprise me.
per MN gov
parasaurolophus
Footballguy
Grace Under Pressure
Footballguy
Not convinced that plastering the nationwide death toll on CNN and other news outlets is actually productive or just serving to showcase a number on a screen.
This disease is local, it's regional, everyplace is dealing with different curves and different situations.
At first, sure, we didn't know as much. Now that we're learning a lot more each day, it doesn't appear to me that sensationalizing the fatalities nationwide is a meaningful metric.
Where are the fatalities coming from, how/where are they occurring, what are the hotspots, what can we focus on productively? Seems like "2K died nationwide today" is completely unproductive. A lot of people may just figure "it's NY" still.
This disease is local, it's regional, everyplace is dealing with different curves and different situations.
At first, sure, we didn't know as much. Now that we're learning a lot more each day, it doesn't appear to me that sensationalizing the fatalities nationwide is a meaningful metric.
Where are the fatalities coming from, how/where are they occurring, what are the hotspots, what can we focus on productively? Seems like "2K died nationwide today" is completely unproductive. A lot of people may just figure "it's NY" still.
Morton Muffley
Footballguy
At risk of excusing politicians and citizens in lightly impacted parts of the country, it seems to me that WITH a substantial shutdown, WITHOUT strong local leadership/messaging and WITHOUT a highly visible HC impact (i.e. high death per capita, overburdened hospitals, etc.) that these parts of the country are likely to fair quite badly over the coming months. Here in the Boston area people are tired of being locked down (and we had among the lightest SiP advisories - nothing like Michigan) while weather has been mediocre and we've all known people who have been impacted (ill, hospitalized, or killed)...and STILL I hear people not recognizing that the situation is MORE dangerous now than it was 6 weeks ago. As such, I can't imagine what it would take to get a Texan to comply with self-imposed social distancing measures. IOW, I think some parts of this country locked down too soon and now having shot their wad will be hard pressed to deal with the coming reality. Luckily lower population density and warmer weather should help. But suffice to say, this next wave is gonna be alot worse than the first because it will be happening nearly everywhere (like lots of break-out fires, not a single forest fire) over the next month(s).
As always, just my opinion.
Poke_4_Life
Footballguy
I also live in Oklahoma, I feel we have different version of 'most'. There's a lot of restaurants around me that do not yet have dining rooms open. I dare say most do not have dining rooms open. Hal Smith places are all open but only allow half capacity.
Trend seems to be small local ones are open to dining. Larger 'regional' and national chains are not open to dining.
Judge Smails
Footballguy
Man - Gottlieb's #'s are depressing...
My youngest daughter and a few other kids we are aware of had a bad fever / cough in January. My daughter was home three days with a high fever. Then two additional days of a nasty cough. Many others share the same stories. Tested negative for flu.
Jobber
Footballguy
And undoubtedly some of these same people will be begging for help as they get put into ICU, have permanent lung damage, lose loved ones, etc. It's all about "muh freedum", until it isn't.
GroveDiesel
Footballguy
Yes and no. It make sense to have loosened restrictions in areas with a much lower incidence so far and for areas that are more rural with less interaction. At the same time, we know this thing can spread like wildfire and a place in the middle of nowhere can suddenly have hundreds or thousands of cases thanks to everyone working in the same meat processing facility or whatever. If people in areas that aren’t hit now just shrug their shoulders and live life as normal because they see it as a NYC or Boston thing, there’s a chance they’ll pay the price eventually.
JbizzleMan
Footballguy
madshot31
Footballguy
Had to go to Target over the weekend to get laundry stuff, and they actually have the only brand the wife is not allergic to. They were selling 50 packs of surgical masks for $38 and had a surprising amount of them.
I have not noticed any restaurant that is still closed since Friday outside of a few who are not planning to open again ever d/t financial reasons. My guess is this is highly dependent on the city. Tried to eat at Braums in Guthrie yesterday and was told we must wear masks. Drove to Perry and ate with no problems. Even the employees were not wearing masks. They did have a sign on every other table not to sit there.
Doug B
Footballguy
Agreed ... and as for the part in red: you can take out the "may". Around here -- again, even being in a recognized hot spot (New Orleans metro) -- a lot of people definitely view COVID as "somewhere else's problem". Seems too many people feel like if they're not in New York City or in a nursing home, they're home free.
Testing increases. Until testing gets ramped up and more consistent, any trend in positives is largely irrelevant. If you go from testing 100 people per day to 1000, of course you’re gonna see more positives but it doesn’t necessarily mean an increase in spread.
New hospitalizations, new ICU and deaths are the numbers to look at now.
The death projections is much more concerning. If they believe that we will see 3000 deaths per day day in early June, our totals by the end of summer will be horrible. Assuming that we see a ramp up to that number, a conservative average would be 2000/day for the rest of May. Then in early June if we hit that 3000/day and stay there for 10 days followed by 10 days at 2000 and another 10 at 1000 that will put us at 100k by June and 175k by July.
My hope was that we were approaching our overall peak with the plateau continuing and a decline towards the end of May. This change is horrible, let’s hope they are wrong.
Doug B
Footballguy
Similar here. When I saw Steve Tasker's taking-it-serious post earlier today, I thought maybe his take was fairly representative of the Northeastern metro areas. But your post makes it sound like even for a region as seemingly tight as the Boston-DC corridor, the socio-cultural situation is complicated.
beer 30
Footballguy
It continues to incite the response they are looking for. Also provides fodder for the states struggling with extending lockdowns.
Doug B
Footballguy
We got cloth masks made for us two weeks ago by a family friend. Good timing, too ... because the one N95 mask I had been using over and over since mid-March finally got too loose to even make a marginal seal.
What I'm getting to is that for a short while, I was wondering what we were going to do about face coverings if they ever became mandated by a new local law with little notice. One fallback we had was to cover from mid-nose down with some slightly too-tight T-shirts we have. The neckholes are tight enough to stay put after slipping over our heads and then yanking them down to cover our noses and mouths. Basically, a makeshift form of fishing face covers.
The Commish
Footballguy
Not nearly enough testing going on or contact research being conducted to pinpoint a source right now....not even close. The only way this happens under current circumstances is if MANY people ONLY went to a specific location, they offer that information to their doctor and there is some centralized place analyzing all the reports coming in. That may be happening in some parts of the country. That's not happening here in Florida.
E-Z Glider
Footballguy
I dont know? All these doctors and nurses and microbiologists and immunologists and epidemiologists and other researchers keep saying COVID is dangerous, but a couple guys I knew in high-school that barely passed science class are saying it's not any more dangerous than the regular flu. It's so hard to know who to believe anymore. 
adonis
Footballguy
Good people on both sides, really tough to sift through the info...I dont know? All these doctors and nurses and microbiologists and immunologists and epidemiologists and other researchers keep saying COVID is dangerous, but a couple guys I knew in high-school that barely passed science class are saying it's not any more dangerous than the regular flu. It's so hard to know who to believe anymore.
tri-man 47
Footballguy
I chatted with a neighbor yesterday, a doctor. He mentioned two elderly patients who are battling the virus despite sheltering at home. However, their son is a postal worker and somehow transmitted the disease to his parents. A woman I work with shared with me that a friend of hers - a nurse - has been self-isolating at home as a precaution. But her husband became infected and died from Covid. They have a seven year old son.I dont know? All these doctors and nurses and microbiologists and immunologists and epidemiologists and other researchers keep saying COVID is dangerous, but a couple guys I knew in high-school that barely passed science class are saying it's not any more dangerous than the regular flu. It's so hard to know who to believe anymore.
I hear isolated stories like these; I see world maps showing Covid in basically every country around the globe; I see U.S. maps showing the virus has reached virtually every county. It's more dangerous than the flu.
JaxBill
Footballguy
JAA
Footballguy
Really comes down to common senseGood people on both sides, really tough to sift through the info...I dont know? All these doctors and nurses and microbiologists and immunologists and epidemiologists and other researchers keep saying COVID is dangerous, but a couple guys I knew in high-school that barely passed science class are saying it's not any more dangerous than the regular flu. It's so hard to know who to believe anymore.
Penguin
Footballguy
Doug B
Footballguy
What I was getting at is that locally there might only be weak political will to use the force of law to encourage mask usage. The reason that political will locally won't be stronger (even in a deep-blue town like New Orleans) is that there will be a lot of hand-wringing over how hard it is for some to acquire masks, how people w/o Internet access can't order them online, and so on. It will be another log on the perpetually-burning "haves vs. have-nots" fire around here.
Frankly, if a "mask required" law is ever passed locally it's almost certainly going to contain a provision for businesses and/or the local government to supply masks. I agree with you about using old shirts and other items for make-do face coverings. I'm just giving you the lay of the land locally.
jamny
Footballguy
Saw that on FB too.I dont know? All these doctors and nurses and microbiologists and immunologists and epidemiologists and other researchers keep saying COVID is dangerous, but a couple guys I knew in high-school that barely passed science class are saying it's not any more dangerous than the regular flu. It's so hard to know who to believe anymore.
shader
Footballguy
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Man In The Box
Footballguy
Courtjester
The Town Drunk
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beer 30
Footballguy
jplvr
Footballguy
Yes, unfortunately. I've mentioned the gf and her job in home healthcare sales. They had a 30 person, face to face sales meeting today because the d-bag CEO said, "if the beaches are open, we're open." Michael Scott could run a business better than these idiots, but this has to be the dumbest thing I've seen from them to date.
Also spent some time trying to convince some guy from Nashville it wasn't a good thing he saw restaurants "packed" and "filled" last weekend when he got out... "no masks anywhere."
Saw a thread on Rivals.com last week where "a resident lib" asked if people were willing to go sit in a packed stadium right now to watch football, and like the politically motivated threads here run, it was 86% on yes with those guys. I tried arguing with some of them today like this: "if you want to stick it to libs and prove we should have never shut down as much as we did, why wouldn't you at least take some minor precautions with social distancing during the reopen?" Their favorite line is, "I'm not old or fat, so why should I care?" I got that response plenty of times today.
Edit: I don't like using ignore. Tried it once on a message board, and it was a disaster. I'm on double digits now with that forum, I think. All flubros just spamming away with the same, idiotic, recycled hot takes.
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CurlyNight
Footballguy
CA starting phase 2 on Friday...
https://www.cnbc.com/2020/05/04/california-gov-gavin-newsom-says-some-businesses-will-reopen-friday-with-conditions.html
https://www.cnbc.com/2020/05/04/california-gov-gavin-newsom-says-some-businesses-will-reopen-friday-with-conditions.html
Don’t think the government needs to supply masks. I’ve just been using some women’s panties I’ve had lying around. They work great and are very breathable. And I mean who doesn’t have a few extra pairs of these?
Navin Johnson
Footballguy
Weird. With a few exceptions, everything i have seen being done in CA has been at the county level.
