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On 2/13/2020 at 9:06 AM, Maurile Tremblay said:

Bernie’s online supporters didn’t politely point out any error made by the culinary union. They did the MAGA-style online harassment thing.

Details (not safe for children): https://thenevadaindependent.com/article/culinary-union-officials-face-profanity-laced-attacks-after-scorecard-says-sanders-would-end-their-health-care

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20 hours ago, Henry Ford said:

Current Medicare recipients have the option of using private insurance companies’ Medicare Advantage plans instead. I would imagine they would remain and are immensely popular as well as big money makers for the insurance industry. 

Just anecdotally, I am working on a claim dispute for a Medicare Advantage client this week where the total medical provider bills were just under $500,000.  The Medicare Advantage plan paid about $11,000 to satisfy those claims in full.  By contrast, a typical self-funded employer health plan or heath insurance plan would probably have paid at least $200,000 or more for that treatment.  Granted, this is an extreme example, but it is true that Medicare pays providers far far less across the board than traditional health care plans pay for the same service.

The MAOs get the full benefit of the incredible provider agreements the fed gov has in place for Medicare, but typically tack on additional benefits and services, and they are run by Humana, UHC, etc. - bottom-line oriented for-profit entities.  I think the public largely underestimates or misunderstands the reason the health care industry hates Medicare so much - its because they make less money whenever a Medicare beneficiary walks in. 

Anyone who believes the cost of health care in our country is crazy out of control should be a huge fan of Medicare for everyone.

 

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Just anecdotally, I am working on a claim dispute for a Medicare Advantage client this week where the total medical provider bills were just under $500,000.  The Medicare Advantage plan paid about $11,000 to satisfy those claims in full.  By contrast, a typical self-funded employer health plan or heath insurance plan would probably have paid at least $200,000 or more for that treatment.  Granted, this is an extreme example, but it is true that Medicare pays providers far far less across the board than traditional health care plans pay for the same service.

The MAOs get the full benefit of the incredible provider agreements the fed gov has in place for Medicare, but typically tack on additional benefits and services, and they are run by Humana, UHC, etc. - bottom-line oriented for-profit entities.  I think the public largely underestimates or misunderstands the reason the health care industry hates Medicare so much - its because they make less money whenever a Medicare beneficiary walks in. 

Anyone who believes the cost of health care in our country is crazy out of control should be a huge fan of Medicare for everyone.

 

And, in turn, hospitals still make money, in part because Medicare always pays.  There are no bad debt charge-offs with Medicare so it doesn't have to be factored into the cost to Medicare.

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It would also actually result in what "Tort Reform" folks want to have happen in order to lower medical malpractice premiums and car insurance premiums.  The current damage caps, etc. don't do that, but making everything a Medicare claim and having the government as the lienholder would very likely discourage lawsuits, lower total payouts, and lower insurance premiums.

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9 minutes ago, CletiusMaximus said:

Just anecdotally, I am working on a claim dispute for a Medicare Advantage client this week where the total medical provider bills were just under $500,000.  The Medicare Advantage plan paid about $11,000 to satisfy those claims in full.  By contrast, a typical self-funded employer health plan or heath insurance plan would probably have paid at least $200,000 or more for that treatment.  Granted, this is an extreme example, but it is true that Medicare pays providers far far less across the board than traditional health care plans pay for the same service.

The MAOs get the full benefit of the incredible provider agreements the fed gov has in place for Medicare, but typically tack on additional benefits and services, and they are run by Humana, UHC, etc. - bottom-line oriented for-profit entities.  I think the public largely underestimates or misunderstands the reason the health care industry hates Medicare so much - its because they make less money whenever a Medicare beneficiary walks in. 

Anyone who believes the cost of health care in our country is crazy out of control should be a huge fan of Medicare for everyone.

My wife and I are dealing/have dealt with four sick parents in the last few years and Medicare is so much better than I understood prior to that.  We have to be over $1MM in treatment at market prices and their out of pocket expenses have been almost zero.  (All involved have supplemental, but Medicare has done almost all of the heavy lifting -- it's incredible.)

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6 minutes ago, Dinsy Ejotuz said:

My wife and I are dealing/have dealt with four sick parents in the last few years and Medicare is so much better than I understood prior to that.  We have to be over $1MM in treatment at market prices and their out of pocket expenses have been almost zero.  (All involved have supplemental, but Medicare has done almost all of the heavy lifting -- it's incredible.)

It’s truly fantastic. 

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28 minutes ago, Dinsy Ejotuz said:

My wife and I are dealing/have dealt with four sick parents in the last few years and Medicare is so much better than I understood prior to that.  We have to be over $1MM in treatment at market prices and their out of pocket expenses have been almost zero.  (All involved have supplemental, but Medicare has done almost all of the heavy lifting -- it's incredible.)

But government run healthcare would be a disaster. 

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4 hours ago, Dinsy Ejotuz said:

My wife and I are dealing/have dealt with four sick parents in the last few years and Medicare is so much better than I understood prior to that.  We have to be over $1MM in treatment at market prices and their out of pocket expenses have been almost zero.  (All involved have supplemental, but Medicare has done almost all of the heavy lifting -- it's incredible.)

Happy to help :thumbup: (not sarcasm.  only way this works)

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17 hours ago, Drunken Cowboy said:

But government run healthcare would be a disaster. 

It’s just so disingenuous. Every family member I have who is on Medicare regards it as the best insurance he or she has ever had. That includes lawyers, teachers, and insurance executives.

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20 hours ago, Drunken Cowboy said:

But government run healthcare would be a disaster. 

Except that it works in every other first world democracy on earth.  

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26 minutes ago, zoonation said:

Except that it works in every other first world democracy on earth.  

And some dictatorships it seems

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21 hours ago, Drunken Cowboy said:

But government run healthcare would be a disaster. 

In America we can do anything we put our minds to!  

 

(Except healthcare for everyone apparently)

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How can we incentivize the free market to solve the healthcare issues in America, with government support?

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17 minutes ago, adonis said:

How can we incentivize the free market to solve the healthcare issues in America, with government support?

Trick question.  America doesn't have a free market health care system.

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22 minutes ago, adonis said:

How can we incentivize the free market to solve the healthcare issues in America, with government support?

The Dutch have one of the best healthcare systems in the world and 100% private insurance. It’s not exactly a “free market” system—they achieve such high coverage rates through strict price controls and an individual mandate—but it’s definitely an example of what a more conservative version of universal healthcare could look like: www.vox.com/platform/amp/policy-and-politics/2020/1/17/21046874/netherlands-universal-health-insurance-private

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58 minutes ago, adonis said:

How can we incentivize the free market to solve the healthcare issues in America, with government support?

There's no such thing as "the free market"  :shrug: 

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2 hours ago, zoonation said:

Except that it works in every other first world democracy on earth.  

Including this one. As pointed out, Medicare beneficiaries report very high levels of satisfaction. Google Medicare CAHPS, the annual survey assessing Medicare satisfaction among beneficiaries.
 

“But Socialism though”

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6 hours ago, Henry Ford said:
On 2/14/2020 at 5:39 PM, Drunken Cowboy said:

But government run healthcare would be a disaster. 

It’s just so disingenuous. Every family member I have who is on Medicare regards it as the best insurance he or she has ever had. That includes lawyers, teachers, and insurance executives.

I think part of the discussion is semantics.  When people hear, "government run healthcare" the fear is that their doctor doing the bypass surgery is going to be a federal employee, which, honestly, no one wants.  I think it would be less confusing if the discussion were focused on "insurance" not "health care."  The debate isn't about the delivery of health care services, its about how we pay for it.  The two are intertwined to a large degree, but I think it would help understanding if the focus was on the "insurance" part rather than the "healthcare" part.

 

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On 2/14/2020 at 12:19 PM, caustic said:

Yeah, the process is very similar to the IA caucuses. There will be a first vote, a realignment, and a final vote which translates into delegates.

How does early voting play into the caucus?

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2 hours ago, NorvilleBarnes said:

How does early voting play into the caucus?

I believe that, like Iowa, you either show up that day or you don’t count.  

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20 minutes ago, Henry Ford said:

I believe that, like Iowa, you either show up that day or you don’t count.  

I have no idea, but I thought I'd read somewhere that the first voting takes place even before the next debate.

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38 minutes ago, Henry Ford said:

I believe that, like Iowa, you either show up that day or you don’t count.  

I think NV allows you to mail in a ballot with 5 columns so you can realign.  You are required to punch the first 3 columns or the ballot is thrown out.

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14 hours ago, adonis said:

How can we incentivize the free market to solve the healthcare issues in America, with government support?

I think the profit motive and health care are hard if not impossible to align. 

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6 hours ago, Navin Johnson said:

I think NV allows you to mail in a ballot with 5 columns so you can realign.  You are required to punch the first 3 columns or the ballot is thrown out.

Yep

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9 hours ago, Navin Johnson said:

I think NV allows you to mail in a ballot with 5 columns so you can realign.  You are required to punch the first 3 columns or the ballot is thrown out.

They just changed the rule to include that right?  (perhaps I'm misinformed)

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19 minutes ago, KiddLattimer said:

They just changed the rule to include that right?  (perhaps I'm misinformed)

Changed which part? I have no previous knowledge of the NV caucus, just some candidates i follow on my Twitter feed have posted that people need to make sure to punch the second and third column or their ballot is thrown out even if it wouldn't have needed a realignment. 

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42 minutes ago, KiddLattimer said:

They just changed the rule to include that right?  (perhaps I'm misinformed)

Yes I think the weighted choice thing is new in relationship to early caucus. 

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From my recollection four years ago the Nevada Caucus is a daytime event and results are known by mid-afternoon.  Anyone know if that's correct and the same for this year?

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Bloomberg might need Hillary now in SC to speak with a southern accent to connect with the people.

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4 minutes ago, Phil Elliott said:

Bloomberg might need Hillary now in SC to speak with a southern accent to connect with the people.

Hopefully that bottle of hot sauce is still in her purse

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20 minutes ago, Shula-holic said:

From my recollection four years ago the Nevada Caucus is a daytime event and results are known by mid-afternoon.  Anyone know if that's correct and the same for this year?

That’s correct, and if everything goes smoothly it should be the same this year. The caucuses start at 12 pm Pacific time. 

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5 hours ago, Phil Elliott said:

Bloomberg might need Hillary now in SC to speak with a southern accent to connect with the people.

Def his first major test since he jumped in. Was bound to get the knives, all part of the game. We’ll see what he can do now. Some pretty gross stuff getting thrown at him. 

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I have had my ballot sitting on my desk for 2 weeks or so since I am still trying to figure out where people stand for smaller races like state senate or county committee. Voting by mail is pretty relaxing, have like a 4 week window to fill out a form in my underwear as opposed to standing in line for hours or whatever on a work day. I wonder if they tally vote by mail votes as they receive them, or if they start when voting closes. 

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So only 5 for the debate on Wed?  Bloomberg can't attend because he has no delegates?

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23 minutes ago, tonydead said:

So only 5 for the debate on Wed?  Bloomberg can't attend because he has no delegates?

I believe Bloomberg can still qualify if he gets one more national poll over 10%.  Having a delegate is one way to get into the debate but not the only way.

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On 2/15/2020 at 8:43 PM, NorvilleBarnes said:

How does early voting play into the caucus?

You have to spin a giant wheel. Sure the odds are terrible but if you hit :boatloads:

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So...We have a new Nevada poll. :lmao: 

Sample size is tiny (215) and the pollster doesn't even have a grade on 538, but since reputable pollsters seem totally uninterested in Nevada, this is all we have:

Steyer 19%
Klobuchar 16%
Biden 14%
Sanders 13%
Buttigieg 13%
Warren 7%

The age breakdown is wild - 76.5% of respondents were over the age of 50. I can't see if the results were re-weighted by age because the pollster's website has crashed. This primary is amazing. 

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1 minute ago, caustic said:

So...We have a new Nevada poll. :lmao: 

Sample size is tiny (256) and the pollster doesn't even have a grade on 538, but since reputable pollsters seem totally uninterested in Nevada, this is all we have:


Steyer 19%
Klobuchar 16%
Biden 14%
Sanders 13%
Buttigieg 13%
Warren 7%

The age breakdown is wild - 76.5% of respondents were over the age of 50. I can't see if the results were re-weighted by age because the pollster's website has crashed. This primary is amazing. 

Interesting.  But I'll be surprised if Bernie doesn't win.  Found this one interesting yesterday:

Political Polls

@Politics_Polls

#National Democratic Primary, Head-2-Head: Sanders 54% (+21) Klobuchar 33% . Sanders 54% (+17) Buttigieg 37% . Sanders 53% (+15) Bloomberg 38 . Sanders 48% (+4) Biden 44% . Sanders 44% (+2) Warren 42%

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50 minutes ago, caustic said:

The age breakdown is wild - 76.5% of respondents were over the age of 50. I can't see if the results were re-weighted by age because the pollster's website has crashed. This primary is amazing. 

Did a double take looking at 538 (I'm stalking the poll sites hoping Bloomberg qualifies)
Weighted by age, race and gender using Random Iterative Model. 5.6% margin of error.
https://www.pointblankpolitical.com/nv-democratic-caucus-2020/

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Data for Progress has released their Nevada poll. They’ve done a good job with IA and NH this cycle, but NV is notoriously difficult to poll so we’ll see how this one turns out:

Sanders 35%
Warren 16%
Buttigieg 15%
Biden 14%
Steyer 10%
Klobuchar 9%

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5 hours ago, Mystery Achiever said:

Did a double take looking at 538 (I'm stalking the poll sites hoping Bloomberg qualifies)
Weighted by age, race and gender using Random Iterative Model. 5.6% margin of error.
https://www.pointblankpolitical.com/nv-democratic-caucus-2020/

Can you help me out here?  What does Bloomberg need to qualify?  I thought it was one delegate.

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26 minutes ago, tonydead said:

Can you help me out here?  What does Bloomberg need to qualify?  I thought it was one delegate.

1+ delegates OR 4 polls @ 10%+. He has three, but no polls have been released for a few days and the deadline is tomorrow night.

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NPR/Marist will be releasing a national poll tomorrow morning which could qualify Bloomberg. I’d be surprised if he doesn’t hit 10%.

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3 minutes ago, caustic said:

NPR/Marist will be releasing a national poll tomorrow morning which could qualify Bloomberg. I’d be surprised if he doesn’t hit 10%.

Hmmmmm.... I'm thinking it may be ok since NPR isn't listed paired, but not sure.
"Each poll must be sponsored by one of the following 14 entities or pairs of entities (“Qualifying Poll Sponsors”): Associated Press; ABC News/Washington Post; CBS News/YouGov; CNN; Fox News; Monmouth University; National Public Radio; NBC News/Wall Street Journal; NBC News/Marist; New York Times; Nevada Independent/Mellman Group; Quinnipiac University; USA Today/Suffolk University; Winthrop University.  For individual entities that are included only in Qualifying Poll Sponsor pairs but are not listed individually, independent polling by such individual entities or polling conducted in new partnerships with such individual entities shall not meet the Qualifying Poll Criteria.  

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At the end of the day (I hate that phrase) it looks like the Democrat convention choices is coming down to two angry old white guys. Bernie and Bloomberg.

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56 minutes ago, Phil Elliott said:

At the end of the day (I hate that phrase) it looks like the Democrat convention choices is coming down to two angry old white guys. Bernie and Bloomberg.

Seems kind of hypocritical for the party that worships at the altar of diversity.

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Bloomberg has qualified for tomorrow’s debate. Latest national poll from NPR/Marist:

Sanders 31%
Bloomberg 19%
Biden 15%
Warren 12%
Klobuchar 9%
Buttigieg 8%

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