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1 hour ago, rockaction said:

But, uh, please don't tell me the Go-Go's are new wave with Wiedlen. Really?

OK, I won't tell you :D

In other news ...

Hank Williams, Jr. is a country artist. Who knew? And Barry White's been doing panty-droppin' soul? What's next? Cats and dogs living together?

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5 minutes ago, Doug B said:

I am assuming you're aware of her Bill & Ted cameo.

i've never watched one second of any Bill & Ted flick ... but now i've seen ninety :wub: (<---- for Jane).

good lookin' out! ✌

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1 hour ago, Dr. Octopus said:

I love Bowie and I like Modern Love - but if this was my list (and this isn't meant to criticize Tim) I would limit it to strictly New Wave artists just to keep some integrity. Bowie's music in the 80s could be considered New Wave I suppose but the term "New Wave" kind of implies "new", which Bowie decidedly was not by then.

I'm just now viewing this as a "greatest hits of the MTV era" type list and still enjoying the thread. Wonder where Dancing in the Dark will land - Courtney Cox was a cutie in that video.

Also I'm man enough to admit that Duran Duran was a great band and Rio (and a few others) would rank much higher for me.

Modern Love to me was a pop dance song. Bowie had a new wave phase for the 5 years prior. My favorite song from the Let’s Dance era wasn’t even on the album (the film version of Cat People).  I like Modern Love as a song, I just have a more difficult time calling it a new wave song. 

Similarly, Every Breath You Take is the most famous Police song, but does that make it new wave? Compared to other Police songs, they had others that would better qualify. 

I suspect we will have some discussion on what was new wave and when, as some bands may have been new wave but then became more mainstream (B-52’s, Blondie, R.E.M., Talking Heads, Kim Wilde, The Motels, Berlin, the previously mentioned Peter Gabriel, etc.). 

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3 minutes ago, Anarchy99 said:



I suspect we will have some discussion on what was new wave and when

guess ya missed the first 15 pages ...

:coffee:

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1 hour ago, Dr. Octopus said:

I love Bowie and I like Modern Love - but if this was my list (and this isn't meant to criticize Tim) I would limit it to strictly New Wave artists just to keep some integrity. Bowie's music in the 80s could be considered New Wave I suppose but the term "New Wave" kind of implies "new", which Bowie decidedly was not by then.

I'm just now viewing this as a "greatest hits of the MTV era" type list and still enjoying the thread. Wonder where Dancing in the Dark will land - Courtney Cox was a cutie in that video.

Also I'm man enough to admit that Duran Duran was a great band and Rio (and a few others) would rank much higher for me.

There seems to be a problem with folk accepting acts who preceded New Wave - like Bowie & Gabriel, maybe even Talking Heads - getting consideration as part of New Wave. Artists werent New Wave just because they put out records in the early 80s, but some reacted to the synthesis & downbeat of the whole feel and shouldnt be punished for having performed in different genres before or after.

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8 minutes ago, otb_lifer said:

guess ya missed the first 15 pages ...

:coffee:

I chimed in when I saw Wham! included.

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2 hours ago, timschochet said:

69. “Rio” Duran Duran (1982, from Rio

https://youtu.be/nTizYn3-QN0

Earlier when I posted about “Girls on Film”, I commented that the bass line was pretty slick, and somebody pointed out that ALL of John Taylor’s bass lines were great, and that he really should be regarded as one of the great bassists in rock history. I was honestly unaware of this fact; one doesn’t exactly think of New Wave as a genre that produces exceptional musicians (though of course I was aware of another bassist from this genre who is rightfully regarded as legendary- we’ll get to her later). But it’s true. And it might never be more true than on “Rio”: when he shines, he really shows us all he can. 

Conversely from Bowie, Gabriel and such, there are acts that came in on the New Wave but beached themselves in something else upon landing, the Durans chief among them. "Girls", "Wolf", New Wave. Rio, Reflex, pop.

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Gotta say...I like a lot of Duran Duran's library and Rio might be the best.

It's certainly the best to sing along to, IMO.

HEY NOW, WOO!...

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22 minutes ago, wikkidpissah said:

There seems to be a problem with folk accepting acts who preceded New Wave - like Bowie & Gabriel, maybe even Talking Heads - getting consideration as part of New Wave. Artists werent New Wave just because they put out records in the early 80s, but some reacted to the synthesis & downbeat of the whole feel and shouldnt be punished for having performed in different genres before or after.

This is a fair approach. I guess I would just have a hard time putting out a list of the greatest reggae songs and including the Stones "Hey Negrita" or a list of the greatest heavy metal songs and including the Beatles "Helter Skelter" which is why personally I would limit it to artists known to be part of the genre.

But you are right a Ray Charles country song isn't any less of a country song than a Hank Williams Jr. song.  

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3 minutes ago, Dr. Octopus said:

This is a fair approach. I guess I would just have a hard time putting out a list of the greatest reggae songs and including the Stones "Hey Negrita" or a list of the greatest heavy metal songs and including the Beatles "Helter Skelter" which is why personally I would limit it to artists known to be part of the genre.

But you are right a Ray Charles country song isn't any less of a country song than a Hank Williams Jr. song.  

These are all fine lines and i wouldnt have bothered to draw them had i not seen the influence among a lot of contributors to the thread being that they were 12-14yo when this #### landed. Tossng in the ol fart perspective, as usual, so the young people will say "Hey, that Boomer's OK!"

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17 minutes ago, Anarchy99 said:

Similarly, Every Breath You Take is the most famous Police song, but does that make it new wave? Compared to other Police songs, they had others that would better qualify. 

Agree here. Sting had been exploring other areas of music for a while by the time Synchronicity was released.

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7 minutes ago, Dr. Octopus said:

This is a fair approach. I guess I would just have a hard time putting out a list of the greatest reggae songs and including the Stones "Hey Negrita" or a list of the greatest heavy metal songs and including the Beatles "Helter Skelter" which is why personally I would limit it to artists known to be part of the genre.

But you are right a Ray Charles country song isn't any less of a country song than a Hank Williams Jr. song.  

This is essentially what I was saying earlier. There are any number of artists that will have some songs that fit and some that don't.

As examples . . .

Kim Wilde: Kids In America (new wave), You Keep Me Hanging On (not new wave)
B-52's: Private Idaho (new wave), Love Shack (not new wave)
Police: Can't Stand Losing You (new wave), Every Breath You Take (not new wave)
Talking Heads: Once In A Lifetime (new wave), Road To Nowhere (not new wave)
INXS: The One Thing (new wave), Need You Tonight (not new wave)
Elvis Costello: Watching The Detectives (new wave), Veronica (not new wave)
Tears For Fears: Change (new wave), Shout (not new wave)
Berlin: The Metro (new wave), Take My Breath Away (not new wave)
Thomson Twins: Lies (new wave), Lay Your Hands On Me (not new wave)

Another group that some people categorize as new wave is The Pretenders . . . yet I don't really think they have many new wave songs at all (and I love The Pretenders). We just have to be open minded and have a broad birth, I guess.

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I can’t wait to see which 68 songs are better/“more important” to new wave, than Rio. Great, genre defining song. 

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17 minutes ago, Anarchy99 said:

This is essentially what I was saying earlier. There are any number of artists that will have some songs that fit and some that don't.

As examples . . .

Kim Wilde: Kids In America (new wave), You Keep Me Hanging On (not new wave)
B-52's: Private Idaho (new wave), Love Shack (not new wave)
Police: Can't Stand Losing You (new wave), Every Breath You Take (not new wave)
Talking Heads: Once In A Lifetime (new wave), Road To Nowhere (not new wave)
INXS: The One Thing (new wave), Need You Tonight (not new wave)
Elvis Costello: Watching The Detectives (new wave), Veronica (not new wave)
Tears For Fears: Change (new wave), Shout (not new wave)
Berlin: The Metro (new wave), Take My Breath Away (not new wave)
Thomson Twins: Lies (new wave), Lay Your Hands On Me (not new wave)

Another group that some people categorize as new wave is The Pretenders . . . yet I don't really think they have many new wave songs at all (and I love The Pretenders). We just have to be open minded and have a broad birth, I guess.

Great list and examples. I agree with all except Shout. Both The Hurting and Big Chair are new wave albums to me, but agree that Big Chair was well on the road to “pop” but it’s not TFF’s fault that the world caught on to Big Chair and it became pop. 
great stuff either way and these side debates are part of the fun of these threads. 

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4 hours ago, timschochet said:

69. “Rio” Duran Duran (1982, from Rio

https://youtu.be/nTizYn3-QN0

Earlier when I posted about “Girls on Film”, I commented that the bass line was pretty slick, and somebody pointed out that ALL of John Taylor’s bass lines were great, and that he really should be regarded as one of the great bassists in rock history. I was honestly unaware of this fact; one doesn’t exactly think of New Wave as a genre that produces exceptional musicians (though of course I was aware of another bassist from this genre who is rightfully regarded as legendary- we’ll get to her later). But it’s true. And it might never be more true than on “Rio”: when he shines, he really shows us all he can. 

And I will once again note that my awesome and talented sister has cut Taylor and his entire family's hair for many years now.  I probably should have worked this angle a long time ago but never have (like the way I worked the Tebow angle once).

And yes this bass line is dope.

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9 minutes ago, joey said:

Great list and examples. I agree with all except Shout. Both The Hurting and Big Chair are new wave albums to me, but agree that Big Chair was well on the road to “pop” but it’s not TFF’s fault that the world caught on to Big Chair and it became pop. 
great stuff either way and these side debates are part of the fun of these threads. 

no offense, good man ... but when i initiated the side debate(s) way back on page one, you came in and flat out refuted anything i said with a blanket "if WLIR played it, it belongs!", pretty much relegating any "debate" to folderol when measured up against your (WLIR/DRE) parameters. 

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2 minutes ago, otb_lifer said:

no offense, good man ... but when i initiated the side debate(s) way back on page one, you came in and flat out refuted anything i said with a blanket "if WLIR played it, it belongs!", pretty much relegating any "debate" to folderol when measured up against your (WLIR/DRE) parameters. 

I’ve grown, man, like, right in front of your eyes ;) 

 

ETA: real answer....it’s funny. When you (the general “you”) agree with a song, we say to objectors that they’re nitpicking or arguing for the sake of it. When you disagree, we become the objectors. :)  again, the fun part of these threads I guess. I’ve never clicked on one in all my years here so I’m learning how it works. 

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1 minute ago, joey said:

I’ve grown, man, like, right in front of your eyes ;) 

sure. 

Smiths/Cure are not New Wave. 

never were, and they certainly aren't in retrospect. 

#### that. 

'LIR can blow me. 

 

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Just now, otb_lifer said:

sure. 

Smiths/Cure are not New Wave. 

never were, and they certainly aren't in retrospect. 

#### that. 

'LIR can blow me. 

 

This makes no sense to me. 

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Just now, joey said:

This makes no sense to me. 

i thought the side debates were "fun"?

see?

they don't belong here, don't give a flyin' fiddler's what the Babylon cabal "said".

 

having fun yet?

:ptts:

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Just now, otb_lifer said:

i thought the side debates were "fun"?

see?

they don't belong here, don't give a flyin' fiddler's what the Babylon cabal "said".

 

having fun yet?

:ptts:

I’m confused. 
this top 100 thread is super serious business, eh?

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1 minute ago, joey said:

I’m confused. 
this top 100 thread is super serious business, eh?

Pretty soon the factions are going to join up and take it outside . . . Anchorman style. And things WILL escalate quickly.

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Just now, joey said:

I’m confused. 
this top 100 thread is super serious business, eh?

again, with all due respect, ya can't come in and say "side debates are fun" when you quashed any such dialogue with the "if WLIR played it, it fits!" edict. 

that's not welcoming debate.

that's pooh-poohing anyone who disagrees. 

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Just now, Anarchy99 said:

Pretty soon the factions are going to join up and take it outside . . . Anchorman style. And things WILL escalate quickly.

I’m old and forgetful, so I apologize if I accidentally ran over OTB’s dog earlier in the thread and can’t remember. 

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1 minute ago, joey said:

I’m old and forgetful, so I apologize if I accidentally ran over OTB’s dog earlier in the thread and can’t remember. 

if ya heard on WLIR that ya did it, well ... it's gospel. 

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1 minute ago, otb_lifer said:

again, with all due respect, ya can't come in and say "side debates are fun" when you quashed any such dialogue with the "if WLIR played it, it fits!" edict. 

that's not welcoming debate.

that's pooh-poohing anyone who disagrees. 

You take FFA threads way more seriously than I do. I can’t remember who I disagreed with on the previous page and don’t keep notebooks on users. 
 

all good. Let’s talk music. 

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1 minute ago, joey said:

I’m old and forgetful, so I apologize if I accidentally ran over OTB’s dog earlier in the thread and can’t remember. 

This likely all stems from when people used to post pictures of women in the FFA and then people would rate them 6-2-1-5-4-3 in order of preference and debate their reasons and why. Since that is no longer allowed, we all end up bickering over what song qualifies in a certain music genre from 40 years ago and what radio stations would or would not have played that song. I miss the offdee rating scale (I think that's who set the bar for the physical appearance rating system).

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2 minutes ago, joey said:

You take FFA threads way more seriously than I do. I can’t remember who I disagreed with on the previous page and don’t keep notebooks on users. 
 

all good. Let’s talk music. 

no need for a notebook ... you made it very clear that WLIR was the last word on what you'd consider. 

i vehemently disagree ... excuse my ### for remembering. 

there have been any number of arrists thus far i had quibble with, but, as i said earlier this morning, i'll take THIS list for what it is, and it certainly ain't a true barometer of what i call "New Wave"

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23 minutes ago, timschochet said:

68. “My Best Friend’s Girl” The Cars (1978, from The Cars

https://youtu.be/XkSmLh2Hbi0

That opening guitar line is so distinctive isn’t it? 

I miss Ric. 

There it is 

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I'm reading the last 10 or so posts while my 2 1/2 year old grand daughter is belting out "Let it Go" from Frozen 2 at the top of her lungs.

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Just got back from lunch after cranking Cherry Pie from Warrant (was on the radio). Does that qualify as new wave?

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2 minutes ago, Getzlaf15 said:

I'm reading the last 10 or so posts while my 2 1/2 year old grand daughter is belting out "Let it Go" from Frozen 2 at the top of her lungs.

quasi-Goth

doesn't belong

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1 minute ago, Anarchy99 said:

Just got back from lunch after cranking Cherry Pie from Warrant (was on the radio). Does that qualify as new wave?

was it ever on WLIR?

:shrug:

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3 minutes ago, Anarchy99 said:

Just got back from lunch after cranking Cherry Pie from Warrant (was on the radio). Does that qualify as new wave?

It barely qualifies as music.

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30 minutes ago, timschochet said:

68. “My Best Friend’s Girl” The Cars (1978, from The Cars

https://youtu.be/XkSmLh2Hbi0

That opening guitar line is so distinctive isn’t it? 

I miss Ric. 

Fantastic song. Fantastic band. 

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8 minutes ago, Anarchy99 said:

This likely all stems from when people used to post pictures of women in the FFA and then people would rate them 6-2-1-5-4-3 in order of preference and debate their reasons and why. Since that is no longer allowed, we all end up bickering over what song qualifies in a certain music genre from 40 years ago and what radio stations would or would not have played that song. I miss the offdee rating scale (I think that's who set the bar for the physical appearance rating system).

Offdee scale was pure trash ... don't miss that #### one bit. 

 

 

 

i do miss the ladies, tho 

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1 hour ago, Anarchy99 said:

Just got back from lunch after cranking Cherry Pie from Warrant (was on the radio). Does that qualify as new wave?

No, but it is the song I had my wife strip to on my birthday once. 

 

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1 hour ago, Getzlaf15 said:

I'm reading the last 10 or so posts while my 2 1/2 year old grand daughter is belting out "Let it Go" from Frozen 2 at the top of her lungs.

Not New Wave.

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3 minutes ago, Dr. Octopus said:

Not New Wave.

She told me she heard it on WLIR :rant:

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re: the Smiffs ...

"They are certainly not a new wave band nor have they ever been associated with the genre. While the Smiths began their celestial career in the height of New Wave, their music was far from being categorized as such. ... The Smiths sounded nothing like these bands in album production, style, intimacy and lyrics"

 

culled from a urinal in Salford. 

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Smiths were originally "post-punk" but eventually became something that could be called new wave.

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3 minutes ago, Leroy Hoard said:

Smiths were originally "post-punk" but eventually became something that could be called new wave.

not feeling that at all. 

:boxing:

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3 minutes ago, otb_lifer said:

not feeling that at all. 

:boxing:

I'll get back to you Friday, I'm in love.

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Just now, Leroy Hoard said:

I'll get back to you Friday, I'm in love.

what difference does it make?

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The Cars already graced us with their best song, so I'll take this one and run with it. But "My Best Friend's Girl" is another powerful slab o' new wave power pop.

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My Best Friend’s Girl is a good tune. It’s notable that the guitar lead at the end of the chorus is pretty much lifted from the Beatles I Will. 

Rio is a great tune. Killer bass line for sure, and I love the warmth of the production on those early DD albums. Good stuff. 

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4 minutes ago, rockaction said:

The Cars already graced us with their best song

"Shoo-Be-Doo" bleed into "Candy-0" was selected? 

where was i?

Ipswich?

:D

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Just now, otb_lifer said:

"Shoo-Be-Doo" bleed into "Candy-0" was selected? 

where was i?

Ipswich?

:D

At the track? :shrug:

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