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The 100 Greatest “New Wave” songs 1. Everybody Wants to Rule the World-Tears for Fears (1 Viewer)
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otb_lifer
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love the Alan Vega/Suicide-esque lead in as much as the sizzlin' title track ... as perfect a segue as i've ever heard, if not THE most perfect.
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timschochet
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67. “King of Pain” The Police (1983, from Synchronicity)
https://youtu.be/B3l0kpl5tA4
There seems to have been some discussion about whether songs from this album are truly New Wave. My question is, why not? These songs are a little bit more pop-oriented, a little less reggae influenced than their earlier material, but that doesn’t make them any less New Wave, at least not based on my understanding which appears to be broader than a lot of people here.
”King of Pain” is an amazing and heartbreaking love song, IMO about as poetic as Sting ever got. That Canadian woman who ruined this song about a decade later shall remain unnamed.
https://youtu.be/B3l0kpl5tA4
There seems to have been some discussion about whether songs from this album are truly New Wave. My question is, why not? These songs are a little bit more pop-oriented, a little less reggae influenced than their earlier material, but that doesn’t make them any less New Wave, at least not based on my understanding which appears to be broader than a lot of people here.
”King of Pain” is an amazing and heartbreaking love song, IMO about as poetic as Sting ever got. That Canadian woman who ruined this song about a decade later shall remain unnamed.
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Ghost Rider
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I love the Synchronicity album (first full length vinyl I ever owned), but King of Pain was always one of the two songs I only liked, Mother being the other. I’m a huge fan of the rest.
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The board is yours. We only have the "Kitchens Bauhaus Has Not Been In" category left, however.
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joey
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I’m suffering from Early Onset Don’t Take This #### Too Seriously disease. Been afflicted by this for many years.
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66. “Do You Really Want to Hurt Me” Culture Club (1982, from Kissing to Be Clever)
https://youtu.be/2nXGPZaTKik
So much of New Wave was presentation. Boy George became an early 80s superstar, in part, because of his androgynous image which so many young teens of the time (mostly girls) chose to imitate. But close your eyes and forget that image; what you have then is Smokey Robinson: in other words, soulful vocal royalty. That’s how sweet and good George O’Dowd’s singing was.
The material was pretty strong as well.
https://youtu.be/2nXGPZaTKik
So much of New Wave was presentation. Boy George became an early 80s superstar, in part, because of his androgynous image which so many young teens of the time (mostly girls) chose to imitate. But close your eyes and forget that image; what you have then is Smokey Robinson: in other words, soulful vocal royalty. That’s how sweet and good George O’Dowd’s singing was.
The material was pretty strong as well.
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Ghost Rider
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I don't hate that song like a lot of people do, but I don't love it. I never seek it out on its own, but on full listens of the album, I never skip it.
Great song. The 8-year old me thought the video was really interesting (the blackface stuff has obviously not aged well), and the song was always one I liked a lot.
squistion
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Dude, so much of everything is presentation, but I digress...Yes, I think Boy George was a better vocalist than anyone today gives him credit for, but I wouldn't in a thousand years think I was listening to Smokey...
Since it was a minor hit and never make your top 100 New Wave list I will link my favorite Culture Club song, Church of the Poison Mind:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HVzAH0FtNwg
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Binky The Doormat
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This is the only time I ever remember agreeing with the Squizz. Not a fan of "Do You Want To Hurt Me?" (the answer was always ...Yes, yes we do)
But "Church of the Poison Mind" is great.
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zamboni
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There he is (Jon Moss) from way back in the thread. Quite the scandalous affair between Moss and Boy, if you believe that Behind The Music episode.
FWIW, I've always thought DYRWTHM is a very good song - was very fresh and new when it hit the scene.
timschochet
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65. “Black Coffee in Bed” Squeeze (1981, from Sweets from a Stranger)
https://youtu.be/t9QZhLSKEps
Though I like to think I have a passion for music and I love what I love (including this song), I actually know very little about it: other than being able to strum a few guitar chords (rather poorly) I’ve had no musical education and I really don’t get the subtleties or exactly what is going on.
So it surprised me to learn, from a close friend of mine who has spent a good chunk of his life as a professional musician, that “Black Coffee in Bed” which I always took to be a rather simple, extremely pleasant pop tune, is actually quite a complex and brilliant piece of work; its simplicity is a mask for a tune that is difficult to sing and even more difficult to play. This fascinates me even if I don’t understand it. The song would have been ranked on this list no matter what, but apparently it’s even better than I always thought it was.
https://youtu.be/t9QZhLSKEps
Though I like to think I have a passion for music and I love what I love (including this song), I actually know very little about it: other than being able to strum a few guitar chords (rather poorly) I’ve had no musical education and I really don’t get the subtleties or exactly what is going on.
So it surprised me to learn, from a close friend of mine who has spent a good chunk of his life as a professional musician, that “Black Coffee in Bed” which I always took to be a rather simple, extremely pleasant pop tune, is actually quite a complex and brilliant piece of work; its simplicity is a mask for a tune that is difficult to sing and even more difficult to play. This fascinates me even if I don’t understand it. The song would have been ranked on this list no matter what, but apparently it’s even better than I always thought it was.
Osaurus
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Yay. Big fan of Squeeze. Underrated imo as I’ve probably already posted. They’re still a great live band. Wish Jools would do some gigs with them, but the young gun keyboardist they have now is pretty good.
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zamboni
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Seeing them next Friday night along with Hall & Oates. This thread is helping me revisit some of their early material before I hit the show.
Osaurus
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Nice. Looking forward to seeing them again in August. Actually Squeeze and KT Tunstall are the only reason I’m going.
Doug B
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It's probably a lot closer than you're imagining, though Robinson had a more effective high register and a Hall-of-Fame falsetto. Check this out.
Doug B
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Went down the rabbit hole a bit with Smokey Robinson duets ... here's Smokey teaming up with another from Tim's list. This was during a televised charity gala celebrating the 50th Anniversary of the Apollo Theater in May, 1985. Boy George also performed at that show, but I haven't found any video of him from that show yet.
Here's an accompanying article about this show that I think Tim and others here might be interested to check out.
EDIT: Boy George and Stevie Wonder performed "Part Time Lover" together that night.
Here's an accompanying article about this show that I think Tim and others here might be interested to check out.
EDIT: Boy George and Stevie Wonder performed "Part Time Lover" together that night.
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joey
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Nice pick!
The bolder can be said about most Squeeze songs. Similar to the Beatles, really. Folks think of the Beatles as "simple pop" but if you were ever in a band that tried to cover one of their songs....damn.
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timschochet
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Interesting stuff.
I’m not smart enough to judge singing quality: it just strikes me that George and Smokey sound a lot alike and both have very sweet vocals.
wikkidpissah
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what was the first song they put to this? cant remember now but it was a prefect track (a @Mister CIA kinda song) & an even better edit. we looked for it for months, i remember
otb_lifer
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wikkidpissah
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nope. hmmm, i thought it was you who tried to recover it w me. now that's gonna bug me too...
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64. “(What’s So Funny ‘Bout) Peace, Love, and Understanding?” Elvis Costello & The Attractions (1979, from Armed Forces)
https://youtu.be/Ssd3U_zicAI
This song was originally written by Nick Lowe in 1974 for his band Brinsley Schwarz. Lowe later produced the Elvis Costello version. Of special note, per the critics, is the excellent drumming by Pete Thomas.
Although the lyrics are hardly the stuff of irony, Costello sings them in such a snarling, surly style that you have to question his sincerity. But that only makes the song even more memorable.
https://youtu.be/Ssd3U_zicAI
This song was originally written by Nick Lowe in 1974 for his band Brinsley Schwarz. Lowe later produced the Elvis Costello version. Of special note, per the critics, is the excellent drumming by Pete Thomas.
Although the lyrics are hardly the stuff of irony, Costello sings them in such a snarling, surly style that you have to question his sincerity. But that only makes the song even more memorable.
otb_lifer
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how effin' cute was Wednesday, tho? as a young lad, watching Addams Family reruns (RAAAAHHHHJJJ!) on Channel 9 up here, i was in smit ... deeply smitten (easy, moral police, talkin' me being about 7 or 8 yrs old at the time).
i blame her for my devotion to Goth ladies, a lurve affair that has yet to wane.
zamboni
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wikkidpissah
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woulda had it much higher. for many, this was the song that made people look past Costello's whiny cynicism & punchable face and give him a listen. funny that a cover would be the way in to arguably the greatest solo rock songwriter of all time.
yeah, it was a perfectly edited/looped mashup but the vid was pulled for copyright after being on youtube for a long time and now i can't remember the song. but you gotta loooove the Drew...
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otb_lifer
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oooooh, Declan ... what an amazing piece of work.
i could prolly go 25 deep with this guy, for this list ... this one is certainly at the top of my choices.
if we're inviting him, this should be flirtin' with top 20, if not higher.
wikkidpissah
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no, all those followed youtube's zapping of the 1st one. it's not on there anymore - we checked for months for its restoration cuz it was so perfect. it wasnt Butthole Surfers, but it had a Pepper-y kinda feel
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